Jackson v Wilson, Webster v Gibson, Abercrombie v Creek, Vukona v Petrie, Ibekwe v Motum, two teams who play fast and aggressive, what more could you want?
We've got two of the more talented teams you will ever find in the NBL who both play fun basketball - this series is going to be awesome!
This is the series that should be the GF.
The Breakers hold no fear for the Sixers and the Sixers will be out to play a very fast game. The reffing in NZ is not as constrictive and so the little niggles will be let go within reason.
G1 should be high scoring and the Sixers have lifted their bat for the ton 5 times this season. The Breakers twice. The average game score this season when these team have played has been 174 points.
The Breakers were the last team to beat the Sixers, who have won 13/14 of their last games. The Breakers have won 2 of their last 6 games, and also lost the last 3 games at Vector. That's not a hat-tick they want. The Sixers will want to make it 4 in a row - that's not a double hat trick - just ask Malinga when he bowled 4 South Afrikaans in a row.
With Australia playing the Kiwis in the CWC15 as well, our friendly Kiwi Kousins would be beside themselves with the smorgasbord of sport in Auckland. You can use the word smorgasbord now since Piggy is no longer PM.
Webster the guy to watch from the Sixers perspective. If he doesn't get Most Improved, they burn the house down. Obviously Action Jackson the other Breaker they need to break.
Sixers in Game 1, Sixers to go full Rambo in game 2 and seal the deal.
Championship comes out of this series IMO.
Abercrombie the danger man for the 36ers I reckon. He's been playing somewhat passively/out of form and if he can turn that around he is always a hard cover for the 36ers. Creek has improved a fair bit though so should be a good match up.
As pointed out above, good match ups everywhere in this one!
I just think the Sixers over a 3 games series have the talent, depth, polish & hunger to come out on top.
My only concern is we havent lost in a while so not sure how we would react to a loss?
This has to be the most interesting Finals series in a long time though!
Anon 517507 - Wilson isn't the greatest defender, granted. However Jackson has his hands full at the other end with Wilson too. Jackson hasnt exactly nullified Wilson in previous games so it goes both ways.
Gibbo will defend Webster most of the game I would imagine and he will be too strong and smart for Webster, nor can Webster defend Gibbo.
They key for both teams will be team defence rather than individual brilliance.
Wilson has done a pretty good job on Jackson the last two times they met, he is certainly better suited to that match-up than Gibbo who doesnt have the explosive speed needed. Given Jackson comes of a million on-balls, the bigs have a huge role to help keep him out of the lane.
Centrebet now have game odds up.
To win = $1.65
To win by 1-10 = $2.65
To win by 11+ = $4.00
To win = $2.25
To win by 1-10 = $3.25
To win by 11+ = $5.50
The line is 2.5
NZ / NZ = $2.25
NZ / 36ers = $6.50
36ers / NZ = $6.00
36ers / 36ers = $3.15
The key to this series for the Breakers this series is Vukona. He has been in terrible form all season and is starting to show his age. If Vukona has a good series, both offensively by being a low post threat and defensively, by locking up Brock Motum, this could be a long series for Adelaide.
We also need Pledger to have a good series despite his toe injury. Playing Ibekwe and his slender body against the Sixers' frontline is too risky. We need Pledger to play big minutes and play big defense.
Jackson being known as a great defender is a myth, allows too many point guards to score big on him, so would give Wilson the edge against him. Same goes for Gibson against Webster, Webster struggles to keep up with anyone on defense.
If Abercrombie can be his usual great defensive self and he finds a role offensively, he will be the biggest handful for the Sixers.
As a Breakers fan, I hate that a plan involving getting Motum in foul trouble wouldn't work due to your incredible depth, which will also be a big factor.
Will be an amazing series, best since 2011/12 Grand Final IMO.
Picking Breakers in 3, only because of the Vector home crowd.
Abercrombie has to be aggressive and take enough good shots to get his 16 points. Webster has to get his 20+. Forget any offensive production from Vukona, not going to happen. Pledger has to get 10 shots off in the paint and Ubekwe must go to the hoop, stay out of foul trouble and get his 20. Wesley is key if he can get 10+, he will take the heat off Vukona and other bigs.
Sixers have the wood on us and are a great chance to get this one on the road. Wilson has been unstoppable and Jackson nor Webster cannot contain him. Gibson must feel confident, given he has ripped us recently.
It used to be that we did not care about Sixers scoring because they played no defence and we could always be sure they would give up more than they scored. But that has changed of late and they are not as easy to score on as in the past.
Can't wait for this game to get under way, should be another cracker. Not sure how to tip this one but Breakers at home in a final is going to be a tough one. Brock Motum will be the key, if he plays and is fully fit then it could swing the way of the 36ers.
I believe the game will be shown over NBL.TV at the Arkaba from 5pm, so that's where I'll be going. No chance of me avoiding scores until the delayed telecast. Yes, it's NBL.TV and sometimes the feed dies, but with keen fans in attendance, it doesn't raise more than "TYPICAL!" calls in response which are a bit amusing.
I don't think this is any more than a bad individual game. Dissect it ant which way, but Breakers are making shots they haven't made for ages and the 36ers are missing shots they've been making. Game 2 will now be huge, still expect to win this series.
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They are always hard pills to swallow losses like that, BUT its better now than in game 3 of a GF, IF they have the intentions and mindset to still believe they are legit. Gotta love the 3 game series, long way to go, but very embarrassing showing. Interested to see how the guys respond in Adelaide.
Adelaide SHOULD win at home. Should being the operative word. But the real test will be New Zealand at home again. This is massively disappointing. I can't even fathom the team we have losing to New Zealand by 30. It boggles the mind. I hope Joey gives them all "what for"
I mean it is what it is, we all love the game we all want to win, and its very easy to get ahead of yourself. Maybe if Perth win tomorrow a few fans may post on this thread haha
Yes twitter and FB the worst, and its just awkward when the trolls are children haha
Breakers are 0/2 with their Mulligan sidekicks recently. Shame they weren't as average on court!
Last year, I think Adelaide mentally played their grand final to beat Perth and level the series. They were then thumped back over in WA.
This time, I think their mental 'final' was the streak and locking in a finals spot. At least this time they have a chance to recover.
Tonight they let Jackson do what he wanted, they let the Breakers control the tempo, once the game looked lost they didn't hustle, they didn't play confidently (other than Creek's early play) and they were constantly resorting to low percentage options. How often were they trapped or controlled in the paint and then forced up a shot rather than move it on to an open option?
I bet on the Breakers and the beers were free at the pub, so at least there was that.
Schenscher played less than five minutes. Once the game switched from the run-and-gun to half-court sets, surely he's worth putting back in? Especially just as a roll of the dice?
He was in foul trouble, but so what.
He was +7 tonight.
C. Jackson: 28
C. Webster: 27
T. Abercrombie: 22
M. Vukona: 25
E. Ibekwe: 27
R. Te Rangi: 7
R. Carter: 9
A. Pledger: 5
T. Wesley: 3
D. Bailey: -2
S. Ili: -3
B. Anderson: -3
A. Gibson: -26
J. Wilson: -31
B. Motum: -32
A. Petrie: -27
M. Creek: -20
D. Johnson: -13
B. Teys: 2
L. Schenscher: 7
T. Daly: -1
P. Crawford: -4
New Zealand shot the ball brilliantly through the first three quarters, going at a 53% clip and 50% from beyond the arc, while Adelaide struggled to 36% and 17% respectively before improving when the match was effectively over.
The series will now turn to Adelaide for game two on Saturday night, with game three to be played on Monday in New Zealand if necessary.
Super Breakers trounce hapless Sixers to take early lead
There is no way, NZ can play any better than that, if other teams in the finals played against nz tonight for example perth, that would have been a 40 point win to NZ.
At least we will get some joy seeing the wildcats get thumped tomorrow against a more determined and talented team in cairns on Friday night
Meh, not so worried after watching, not as bad as the stats/scoreline show.
Shots on for Breakers, not for the Sixer(put up enough) Gibbo off game, Motum still looking a little stiff in the legs and well you know, home court, refs meh, hands all over the boys, Joey looked like he knew this was the monkey game they need to shake off after 10 straight. Defensive holes can be plugged with better rotations..Video reviews on the way home to work out the deficits and all sorted. Anyone know the refs for Saturday ???
Really liking DJ getting his angry eyes out.
I knew the result already, but I couldn't bare to watch much more than half of the game . The 36ers looked lethargic and reactive on defence, and they were timid and impatient on offence. A little bit of ball movement and "off the ball" movement wouldn't have hurt. It just looked like we were rushing shots as soon as one appeared open rather than work to manufacture anything.
New Zealand set the pace from the very start and the 36ers looked immediately rattled. Their body language from the very tip off was tentative and I can't imagine them playing quite that badly twice in a row, nor the Breakers playing quite that well consecutively. The Breakers who played today were unlike they have been in this whole season. I don't think they can be underestimated by anybody now.
If we are to take this series, we need to start the game with physicality. Ball movement, get into the lanes and force them to foul. All these lazy floaters wont do. Take it to the body of the man and force them to try to stop you. If you want to take the series, you want Vukona in foul trouble. He is the key to their offensive rebounds and I pick him to be the main issue we will have.
Overall though, kind of woeful game for the sixers but it wasn't without its moments. I especially liked Joey Wright's quote "They are beating you at being men, not basketball!"
They did hit the court with a little more purpose immediately after that, but were overwhelmed by a team that was running like a freight train.
NZ were brilliant tonight. Would have beaten anyone. We were out coached and out played. They hit consistently from range and were strong inside as well. Played a balanced game pushed the umpires boundaries, exposed our lack of perimeter %, negated our zone defense (???), established scoreboard pressure, disrupted our cohesion and drew the crowd in.
Game II, we need to back at them Saturday night!
I will be there with faith in Joey and expecting an emphatic win.
I did pick NZ to win this semi final series, but I wasn't really prepared for what I saw last night. I can't see the 6'ers coming back from this, sorry boys but even if you some how get the chocolates at home to level it up, that will be all she wrote this year...
I'm a sixers and joey fan but that doesn't mean to say I can't see the truth.
Last nights games showed a few things;
Motum was not quite ready to run last night and should never take the jump. Schensh DJ or Peach should always get that gig.
Against NZ Jamar and Motums defensive issues size and vision were exposed and exploited and not responded to quickly enough.
Gibbo was having an off night, not sure why he is having more of these but if he shows up he will be a beast.
The best on ball defender in the sixers did not get enough court time. Teyzzzes.
That Wilson and Gibbo should never try to shoot deep over Vikona or Ibekwe especially when they are havjng an off one.
That Schensh gets a hard time from the refs because they can't get a grip on his hip height and adjust their calls accordingly to suit his body.
That home court advantage went to the extreme last night and refs are desensitised to the hip and should from watching too much rugby and footy.
That the young bucks in NZ have attitude and hustle but the flip side is you can see why they and some of their more senior players amongst others have had issues and why BJ needs to stay away from the sub culture and temptations back home in NZ. Fine line to cross over.
That the sixers need to get a grip on the reffing issues and move past it even if it is
obviously dodgy. NZ are the new Perth in that department. Having said that power to NZ for exploiting it and they were hot shots which was the to their advantage when sixers were flat. That can change and sixers get hot.
That despite being and in incredible coach Joey can have off nights too.
That Mitch Creek is the electricity for the sixers and their most consistent and valuable player. He should be considered for most improved in the league.
This was the game all Sixers fans were worried about. We had a run of 10 wins and sometimes you need to drop one. Better to drop an unimportant game than one like this.
The Breakers played well and they obviously had a plan. Corey Webster's mum has re-arranged the mantle piece for the Most Improved Trophy. If he doesn't get it something is wrong. Shooting let the Sixers down and too many Sixers had bad nights. The rotations seemed out of whack as well with mismatches favouring NZ 3 to 2 or 4 to 1 at times.
I loved the Petrie-M. VUKONA scuffle. Nothing in it. The Sixers had been in NZ for a few days and it's obvious Peach was telling M. VUKONA how good the fishing was and was asking about his favourite spot. M VUKONA tried to whisper into Peach's ear because he knew Gibbo loves fishing, and then they fell over each other's feet and went down.
Sixers need to come back strongly in game 2 and should.
I got to 3/4 time and then turned it off. We truely were exposed for exactly what we are. A talented offensive team that lacks any commitment to the defensive fundamentals and shows absolutely no desire to do the 'dirty work' and the 'hard stuff' that is required to win play off games. I was so pissed at the performance we served up tonight.
On another the note. Why the hell did Joey go to a zone when the Breakers were shooting lights out from the 3? Like, really?
ok, so 6er's were simply outplayed with hustle and streaky shooting, BUT in this and most home games, the touchy fouls always go to the home team. I get that to a certain extent, but is the home court reffing advantage equal or more decisive in any other sport than basketball? Like, last year's GF game 3 which wasn't really a game, and many other games (especially finals) you are really dealing with a 10-15 point advantage. This doesn't happen as much in AFL does it? So finishing in top 2 spots, basically guarantees you a GF berth, unless the wheels fall off along the way. Help me out here guys...
Felt I had to respond to anonymous.
"That the sixers need to get a grip on the reffing issues and move past it even if it is
When you lose by 30 points there isn't much to be gained by blaming the refs. I thought it was a bit dodgy too. I thought Abercrombie was harshly treated on a charge and a blocked shot.
"That the young bucks in NZ have attitude and hustle but the flip side is you can see why they and some of their more senior players amongst others have had issues and why BJ needs to stay away from the sub culture and temptations back home in NZ. Fine line to cross over."
What does that mean and where does that even come from?
Which of NZ's senior players have had "issues"?
I saw a Breakers team play well and an Adelaide team fail to front - where do the issues come from?
Dave W - know your players, their history and you will know where I am coming from and read up on behavioural traits in sport. Some have already left as they were on that fine line and needed to get away and now rebuilding their careers and lives on and off court. No excuses made for the sixers but the refs were definitely inconsistent and that impacted on the sixes who were already in struggle town. No excuses just a factor but you chose to pull out individual statements and "highlight them in isolation" suggesting they are excuses, but that is not the case.
The reffing is never as bad as what devoted fans think - it's human nature. As a neutral observer I thought there were plenty of mistakes, but not significantly more for either side. Sure there's often a bit of home cooking, but from that game, I wouldn't think it meant more than a couple of baskets worth - not 30 points worth!
again MYSTRO no one has said that is why they lost, just an observation as a contributing factor tot he mindset of the 36ers which would be the same for any team in that position which is why it was mentioned that hey need to work with it and not let it affect them as it seems to be a problem for them. What is wrong with that observation, it is actually a negative towards the 36ers but you can not see past the word ref. Such vindictiveness and kicking the boots in just because you can.. Seriously thinking it is hilarious shows your mentality.
No one has said the refs were bias or NZ refs either and again out of context, it works both sides of the fence so about fairness for everyone and home court should never come in to it in any sport at any level apart from the the crowd and knowing the court and travel issues. But then you will continue to make the comments you make based on a couple of words pulled out.
Still not sure how you could see from that game that the NZ players have had issues. Which part of the game showed that - playing hard defense, winning by 30, diving on loose balls, Vukona and Wesley not taking a backward step, Petrie putting Vukona in a headlock?
I am aware of the trouble some of the younger members of the team have had and what they have done and are doing to put that right, and of how they have been supported in this by the team and management. I am also aware of two players who had problems and were let go by the Breakers. I am delighted they are doing well elsewhere.
I also think actually raising it and criticising a team culture you know nothing about is disrespectful. Adelaide were trounced by a better more focussed team on the night, just as Adelaide were the better team last time they met.
Who knows what will happen on Saturday? That's why its a great game.
I know it doesn't explain getting smoked by 30 and the series being all but over but I found it odd the 36ers never came back home from the Wollongong game on Sunday. I read they stayed in Wollongong training until Tuesday and then left for Auckland.
I would've thought a few of the guys would've been itching to get back home for a break and see friends & family.
sixers got smoked, can't blame it on the refs, especially since there were only 4k at vector, so crowd not that intimidating, on another issue breakers couldn't sell tickets, might be reason to have a week off between last round and semis to give teams more time to sell a decent amount of seats, lowest crowd ever at vector
Have some confidence guys. I thought our season was over after the first home game against Melbourne. We rose from the ashes since and then went on to win 10 consecutive games including a win in New Zealand. New Zealand wont be able to repeat last night's performance. They only won 2 of their last 6 games of the regular season so the odds are stacked against them repeating last night's performance. At the same time, Joey won't put up with another performance from his team like last night's.
This is why 6's fans needed to have more moderate expectations headed into the finals, instead of the "we're the form team, we're gonna sweep the finals." As we tried to point out, streaks are meaningless at this time. NZ is a very experienced finals unit, whereas the Adelaide team that made the GF last year was quite different. Plus their defensive shortcomings wer exploited last night.
The 6's are still in it, I would expect them to bounce back with a win at home, and the 3rd game will
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