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LV
Two years ago

#38656

Cats vs United, 10/12

On recent form, this is a comfortable win to the Cats.

Further to that, the Cats have a great record against the smaller, high scoring teams like the Hawks and 36ers- to whom United shares similarities. The Cats have dominated those sides on the glass- it's the teams with the bigger bodies and the rebounders to match them who have worried them- Cairns, the Breakers. And the Crocs, who are the hustle Kings of the competition and never, ever give up.

If United wants to win this, these are some of the keys:

- Majok needs to hold his own against Jawai.
- Keep the Cats off the offensive glass. If the Cats get 12 or less O Boards - 3 a quarter- then I’ll consider that a big success for United.
- Defend well against Beal- when he has struggled, the Cats have struggled.

For the Cats, they need to stick with what’s been working and unless United goes off from outside, then you’d think they’ll be in first spot by the end of the night. Pound it inside first, keep the intensity on the glass, take the threes when they get open looks.

Despite my pessimism, I can’t wait.

Thoughts?

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Ugly Igley
Two years ago
16:30 10 Dec 15

Reply #570138

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Cats by 9


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Matt
Two years ago
16:35 10 Dec 15

Reply #570139

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Cats by 3


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
16:55 10 Dec 15

Reply #570144

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Cats by 93


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RMQ
Two years ago
17:01 10 Dec 15

Reply #570146

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Prathers arrives tonight.

35 points.

Cats win by 5.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:09 10 Dec 15

Reply #570152

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

United easy


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:26 10 Dec 15

Reply #570155

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Cats too big and strong inside.


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OKC
Two years ago
18:53 10 Dec 15

Reply #570158

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Cats by 12.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
18:58 10 Dec 15

Reply #570159

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Prather is out by all reports


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Deez
Two years ago
19:00 10 Dec 15

Reply #570160

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Anon, Prather has been confirmed to play :)


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AngusH
Two years ago
21:22 10 Dec 15

Reply #570219

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Only Perth can make me cheer for Melbourne..............


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:34 10 Dec 15

Reply #570225

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

So many fowlz


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Mr bEn
Two years ago
21:41 10 Dec 15

Reply #570236

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Since he finally got a haircut, Knight reminds me of Andy Lee.


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three points
Two years ago
21:47 10 Dec 15

Reply #570243

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Perth defence is much better this quarter.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
21:56 10 Dec 15

Reply #570248

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

HES ON FIAAHHHHHHHH


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three points
Two years ago
21:59 10 Dec 15

Reply #570252

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Beal in full flight is a great player


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LV
Two years ago
22:00 10 Dec 15

Reply #570255

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Beal outscored United 18-12 in that quarter


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:00 10 Dec 15

Reply #570256

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Goddamit my stream just cut out at the buzzer


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three points
Two years ago
22:01 10 Dec 15

Reply #570257

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Beal what can you say


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Another Anon
Two years ago
22:01 10 Dec 15

Reply #570258

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Beal-Prather best import combo in the league now?


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three points
Two years ago
22:03 10 Dec 15

Reply #570261

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

The Breakers tandom is pretty damn good to.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:04 10 Dec 15

Reply #570262

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

UNited are the most overrated team in NBL history.

Really, when you think about it, unless Goulding is shooting a 3 from 2 feet behind the arc with a hand in his face, this team has nothing else.

They have absolutely nothing around the rim.

If the 3s dont fall, they absolutely nothing else...NOTHING.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:06 10 Dec 15

Reply #570264

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

That's why lock in another epic NZ v Perth GF series

Wish it could be 5 games


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LV
Two years ago
22:07 10 Dec 15

Reply #570265

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Well this season is getting boring real quick. It's starting to look like only Illawarra will stand a chance of challenging Perth and NZ. So much for this exciting even season


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:08 10 Dec 15

Reply #570266

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

NOt sure who is the worst coach atm. Wright or Demopolous.


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three points
Two years ago
22:13 10 Dec 15

Reply #570268

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Perth's 3rd quarters this season have been horrid so the United must make their move now.


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three points
Two years ago
22:18 10 Dec 15

Reply #570270

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Beal wow


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Another Anon
Two years ago
22:18 10 Dec 15

Reply #570271

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Holy. ...I'll have what Beal's having.


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Kyrie2Nation
Two years ago
22:19 10 Dec 15

Reply #570272

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

DOLLA DOLLA BEAL ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:20 10 Dec 15

Reply #570273

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Well thats Beals flukey game for the season done and dusted..

He wont have another game like this again this season.


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Kobe24
Two years ago
22:20 10 Dec 15

Reply #570274

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Hate me some Perth Wildcats but LOVE ME some Jermaine Beal!


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three points
Two years ago
22:20 10 Dec 15

Reply #570275

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Beal is on another planet


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:20 10 Dec 15

Reply #570276

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

black guys losing their minds.gif


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:20 10 Dec 15

Reply #570277

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Most good players have a night where everything drops....and they wont repeat it...

Its Beals tonight


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6ers
Two years ago
22:21 10 Dec 15

Reply #570279

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

When he is on he and Webster are the best two scorers in the league.....


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:23 10 Dec 15

Reply #570281

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

THis is one of the great shooting displays


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6ers
Two years ago
22:24 10 Dec 15

Reply #570283

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Wow the 6ers need to throw the kitchen sink at him this offseason.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:24 10 Dec 15

Reply #570284

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

LOl Heal thinks it's a 16 point lead

lololololololol


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:24 10 Dec 15

Reply #570285

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

WHere was this from Beal where they got there backsides kicked against the Breakers in NZ?

Didnt get lucky?


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AngusH
Two years ago
22:25 10 Dec 15

Reply #570287

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Oh hey look, that Warrick guy with NBA experience might be able to generate some offense.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:25 10 Dec 15

Reply #570288

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Just when it was all going so well for us...


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Kobe24
Two years ago
22:26 10 Dec 15

Reply #570289

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Knight was overdue for another serious injury. SMH


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:26 10 Dec 15

Reply #570291

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Warrick bringing teh NBA


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:29 10 Dec 15

Reply #570293

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

ooohh


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AngusH
Two years ago
22:30 10 Dec 15

Reply #570295

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

That missed dunk and fall just about sums up Blanchfield's season since game 1.


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LV
Two years ago
22:30 10 Dec 15

Reply #570296

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Key stat illustrating the difference between these teams tonight

Assists 15 to 5

Hope Blanchfields ok...


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6ers
Two years ago
22:30 10 Dec 15

Reply #570297

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Beal had 18 points in the 1st half in the breakers game in nz finished with 23 anon.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:31 10 Dec 15

Reply #570298

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

dis shooting doe


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:37 10 Dec 15

Reply #570302

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

I don't think I've seen many imports improve to the degree Prather has this season


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:38 10 Dec 15

Reply #570303

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Its beyond hilarious how teams are soooooo good at home, yet absolutely trash on the road in this league....

Never seen anything like it in any sport .


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LV
Two years ago
22:40 10 Dec 15

Reply #570304

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Holt had 23 in first half against Sydney and finished with.... 23.

But I'm pretty sure that 1 and a half quarters from Beal is the best quarter and a half anyone a produced this season


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truth
Two years ago
22:40 10 Dec 15

Reply #570305

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Perth has the most rod wins this season but don't let the facts get in the way of a an agenda


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Another Anon
Two years ago
22:43 10 Dec 15

Reply #570306

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

@570303 you watch any test cricket? Nobody wins away from home.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:43 10 Dec 15

Reply #570307

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Hey Truth

How is United on the road?

How is NZ on the road?

How is Adelaide on the road?

How is Taipans on the road?

How is Illawarra on the road?


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truth
Two years ago
22:44 10 Dec 15

Reply #570308

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

This team or this game reminds of the Cats 2014 championship team. Two good imports and a explosive offence and defensive team.


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Kyrie2Nation
Two years ago
22:46 10 Dec 15

Reply #570309

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Record breaker. TEN three pointers.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:46 10 Dec 15

Reply #570310

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

DOLAR DOLAR BEEL YAAAAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:48 10 Dec 15

Reply #570311

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

How many does Kobe have? 14?

Let's go for that Beelz


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:50 10 Dec 15

Reply #570313

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Kickert quietly seeing it like a hoola hoop too


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:51 10 Dec 15

Reply #570315

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

3 ball corner pocket


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truth
Two years ago
22:52 10 Dec 15

Reply #570316

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

If it weren't for kicker perth would be up by 40 plus


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:53 10 Dec 15

Reply #570319

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

^^^^^^^^
truth


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PeterJohn
Two years ago
22:54 10 Dec 15

Reply #570320

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

if it weren't for Beal they'd be behind!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:57 10 Dec 15

Reply #570324

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

you suck Beal

delist


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:58 10 Dec 15

Reply #570325

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

beal go for 40


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:00 10 Dec 15

Reply #570326

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

40 points wow


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:01 10 Dec 15

Reply #570327

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

26 threes for the game

Not bad for entertainment


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:02 10 Dec 15

Reply #570328

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Make that 27


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:02 10 Dec 15

Reply #570329

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Vague seems like a good prospect


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:04 10 Dec 15

Reply #570330

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

United got smashed after quarter time. Perth with the most impressive game of the year.Outscored 98 to 52 after quarter time. wow


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:05 10 Dec 15

Reply #570331

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

98 to 62 I meant


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:08 10 Dec 15

Reply #570333

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

That was epic


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Another Anon
Two years ago
23:11 10 Dec 15

Reply #570334

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Importantly Perth's bigs got rest before tough road trip and Martin got valuable match time (and still looks like he could win DPOY)


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Anonymous
Two years ago
23:12 10 Dec 15

Reply #570336

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

No one is remotely close to Martin's level defensively.

He should just win it by default every year.


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Jo
Two years ago
23:33 10 Dec 15

Reply #570341

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Well done Gleeson and team


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Dazz
Two years ago
00:09 11 Dec 15

Reply #570346

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Wow, haven't seen a "flag favourite" team get their ass kicked like that in a while.
Cats lost Knight, ran the bench, brought in the DPs, went looking for Beal and then Hire, and still managed 34 points in that final quarter.

Really poor defensive effort from MU, they could rue that if they're trying to claw back the split later on.

Goulding clearly has the skill to be one of the best players in the league. Maybe he should just concentrate on playing, instead of constantly looking for a foul.
Seriously, what sort of twat flops AFTER he's already received the call?


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Kobe24
Two years ago
00:16 11 Dec 15

Reply #570347

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Guess the conspiracy theory about MU being gifted the title was blown out of the water this past few weeks, what a fall from grace of late. Never in it tonight.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
00:28 11 Dec 15

Reply #570350

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Will Melbourne United miss the play-offs? Most had them as a fringe play-off team to start and now this is proving to be the case.


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bo
Two years ago
01:16 11 Dec 15

Reply #570354

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Perth's Import pairing is pretty handy at the minute. Then you have a loaded bench where you can bring guys like Redhage(still playing at a good level even in limited minutes) Jervis(starting calibare C)Wagstaff(could start on a lot of teams) and Kenny whom has proven to be a very handy player this season.

Not even going to mention the frontline pairing of Knight and Jawai and the best defensive player the league has ever seen in Damo.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
01:20 11 Dec 15

Reply #570355

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Beal getting buckets


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paul
Two years ago
01:27 11 Dec 15

Reply #570357

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Damo had a down defensive season by his standards last year but it doesn't look like he'll repeat that dose!


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Anonymous
Two years ago
01:27 11 Dec 15

Reply #570358

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Cheers Luc

Man wish I had have been there tonight


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Anonymous
Two years ago
01:35 11 Dec 15

Reply #570360

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Give Gleeson a lot of Credit for sticking with Prather early on when he was injured and struggling with his shot.


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three points
Two years ago
01:46 11 Dec 15

Reply #570361

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Damo is back to his awesome best. I don't think it is a coincidence since he has back in the starting lineup again Perth's average wining margin is 25 in the games against Adelaide and the United?

Perth is averaging 101 points to 76 against with Damo as a starter. Having him back also allows Beal to get back to what he does best and that is to look to score. With Damo he(Beal) had to do the bulk of the playmaking along with the scoring.


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LV
Two years ago
08:27 11 Dec 15

Reply #570372

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Dazz FYI New Zealand were installed as favourites earlier this week.

Just thinking of my OP. Stopping Beal was one of my keys. Oops. Didn't go so well....


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Matthew
Two years ago
08:57 11 Dec 15

Reply #570380

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Holy Hell that was good. Was so buzzing after the game


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Vic Wildcat
Two years ago
09:27 11 Dec 15

Reply #570389

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

What a shooting display, i can only think of a couple of other players i've seen in NBL capable of that type of shooting, one was commentating the game Heal and Andrew Gaze. You'd be surprised if Beal did that again,although he has shown glimpses this year. Recent game in NZ he started to heat up in the 2nd. Last night was one of those nights for him where everything went right for the whole game.


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Nathan of Perth
Two years ago
10:12 11 Dec 15

Reply #570399

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

So glad I was there to see that.


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Nathan of Perth
Two years ago
10:36 11 Dec 15

Reply #570405

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Also how absurd is it to have 40pts 7a, but no turnovers?

And props to Kickert as well, he had a massive shooting night, 5/6 from 3pt range.

For a little fun, there was a point mid-way through the game where the passed the ball to Hadziomerovic and prepared to let him run the play, which left Damo on him for the first time that I could recall that night. I straight away thought "You can't leave that kid with Damo, he'll get eaten alive". Damo made the steal about half a second later.


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paul
Two years ago
10:41 11 Dec 15

Reply #570407

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

What was so amazing was how he just rolled with it. Was feeling hot so just kept shooting no matter where he was on the court, then just seemed to feed off the crowd and get more and more brazen. Awesome stuff.

Apparently he hit eight threes in a seven minute stretch and outscored Melbourne by himself!


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PeterJohn
Two years ago
10:54 11 Dec 15

Reply #570416

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

" i can only think of a couple of other players i've seen in NBL capable of that type of shooting"

Beal shot 10/19 3 pointers last night. The past 2 seasons with Perth he's had 3 games where he's taken more than 10 3-pt shots in a game - 8/15 vs NZ in Dec 2013; 6/11 vs Topwnsville in Nov 2014 and 2/11 vs Cairns in Feb 2015.

Historically John Rillie, Phil Smyth, Paul Stanley, Darryl Pearce, Andrew Parkinson, Shane Heal, Michael Johnson and Ian Davies are some who immediately come to mind as producing those sorts of performances on multiple occasions. Maybe Lanard Copeland, Stephen Black, Simon Kerle, Ron Radliff, David Graham and Greg Hubbard - not so certain about them? These players though did so mostly when the 3-pt line was closer to the basket.

Of current players, Goulding (9/14 vs Sydney in Mar 2014), Penney (8/11 vs Cairns in Sep 2009, 9/15 vs Adelaide Jan 2010) and Forman (8/12 vs Sydney in March 2014, 7/7 vs NZ in Feb 2012) have had similarly good 3 point shooting games in the past few seasons.


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Vic Wildcat
Two years ago
11:04 11 Dec 15

Reply #570420

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

I'm more talking about where he was taking them from, not No's PeterJohn.


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Luuuc
Two years ago
11:15 11 Dec 15

Reply #570425

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Yeah some of those shots - especially a couple in the 3rd quarter - were from crazy range.
Was fitting that Hammer was on commentary duties for that performance.


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Nathan of Perth
Two years ago
11:26 11 Dec 15

Reply #570429

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Yeah, one that was on my side of the court, he got the ball waaay out from the line after someone fumbled a pass and he just paused a moment and you could see him just think, "Why the eff not?"

Made it. They were stupendous shots.


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Happy Customer
Two years ago
11:35 11 Dec 15

Reply #570434

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

What a great first game at the Arena for me..

Haven't been to a game since the 90's.

Crowd was crazy.


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Train
Two years ago
11:45 11 Dec 15

Reply #570437

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

That was an amazing game by Perth. Beal is scary when his confidence gets going and he knocks a couple of shots down. One of the greatest shooting displays of recent times.

Beal is the perfect second import when you have a player of Ennis or Prather calibre alongside him. Last year he really struggled because Daniels was a crab and didn't draw any attention. Teams were just shutting him down. This year Perth have way too many options for that. It will be interesting to see how he goes in the next few games after a game like that.


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paul
Two years ago
11:49 11 Dec 15

Reply #570439

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

My favourite one was where he came over on help and picked Goulding's pocket, raced to a spot somewhere within a metre or two of the arc and just popped it. Was never going to miss.


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Train
Two years ago
11:51 11 Dec 15

Reply #570441

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Also to note....7 assists is crazy for a player that dropped 40 points. Dream team points are looking great for that game, if only i Captained him :P


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
11:54 11 Dec 15

Reply #570442

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

"Last year he really struggled because Daniels was a crab and didn't draw any attention."

Exactly. People were saying that Perth needed to fix their shooting woes by bringing in a shooter. No, they needed to bring in a guy who could get to the basket to open up the court for their shooters. Thats what they did.

Snaring Jawai at the last minute helped too...


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Nathan of Perth
Two years ago
12:17 11 Dec 15

Reply #570448

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

@Train,

40 pts, 7 assists and *NO turnovers* is nuts.


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Ricky
Two years ago
12:21 11 Dec 15

Reply #570451

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

So many weapons, still waiting for Jawai to have a monster game, but i feel foul trouble / lack of good post game / stamina is an issue..

Refs seem to ref him so badly..


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PeterJohn
Two years ago
12:21 11 Dec 15

Reply #570452

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Fair enough Vic Wildcat - I apologise


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Ricky
Two years ago
12:24 11 Dec 15

Reply #570453

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Some good news, Matt Knight's injury not serious.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/12/11/melbourne-utd-coach-hurt-heavy-loss


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LV
Two years ago
13:36 11 Dec 15

Reply #570469

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

When did the 3 point line Get moved? What were the old dimensions vs New?


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Supernintendo Chalmers
Two years ago
13:46 11 Dec 15

Reply #570471

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Knight went through training today and is ok.


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koberulz
Two years ago
15:40 11 Dec 15

Reply #570483

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

When did the 3 point line Get moved? What were the old dimensions vs New?
After the 2009/10 season, it moved out about a foot and a half.


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Dazz
Two years ago
19:11 11 Dec 15

Reply #570526

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

In terms of excelling in his targeted role, Prather is (apparently) exactly what the Cats wanted, and it shows. He's the perfect partner for Beal.
Unlike DD, he's a genuine 3-point threat, so we no longer have Beal as the only outside option.
(Plus as has been mentioned, Jawai is creating space for everyone.)
DD was a fair bit taller, and a more certain option going for the dunk, but Prather is more than ok. He's never gonna post-up, but DD was weak in that area. Where Prather is streets ahead is in his defence and his ability to run the floor and handle the ball.


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Anonymous
Two years ago
22:38 11 Dec 15

Reply #570584

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

'In terms of excelling in his targeted role, Prather is (apparently) exactly what the Cats wanted, and it shows. He's the perfect partner for Beal.
Unlike DD, he's a genuine 3-point threat, so we no longer have Beal as the only outside option.'

Huh?

ABout the only thing Daniels did well was shoot the three. Couldn't drive and finish to save his life (outside of a few open dunks).

'Luckily' Prather is proving to be an excellent 3 and D guy in all facets.


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Dazz
Two years ago
01:23 12 Dec 15

Reply #570597

re: Cats vs United, 10/12

Is that you again Mrs Beveridge?


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