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Isaac
Last year

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Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

Thought Wagstaff was pretty key for Perth, but Warrick was the leading scorer and rebounder out of the bench players. Warrick was a great spark in the second-unit for Melbourne.

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mystro
Last year
11:00 18 Feb 16

Reply #578431

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

Tai Wesley had some really good games bust missed a chunk through his childs birth and then subsequent illness.


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Dazz
Last year
20:22 18 Feb 16

Reply #578565

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

It's another of these nebulous awards. What's a "6th man"?
One interpretation, and one that I have historically understood, is that he's a notionally bench player in a team that effectively runs a 6-man "starting" rotation. In which case, Warrick is a perfect winner.

Others say its the best "bench player." In which case I would question whether somebody who averages more than half the game on-court can be considered a "bench" player?


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Luuuc
Last year
21:04 18 Feb 16

Reply #578592

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

Not sure what the grey area is. It's an award for bench players, and he is one.
Yes he plays good minutes, because he's a good player. Thus the winning of the award for being a good player.


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Bear
Last year
21:06 18 Feb 16

Reply #578595

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

I think he proved just how good a 6 man he is tonight, although they lost, UTD would have been embarrassed without him.


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koberulz
Last year
21:34 18 Feb 16

Reply #578601

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

Others say its the best "bench player." In which case I would question whether somebody who averages more than half the game on-court can be considered a "bench" player?
How can you start on the bench and not be a bench player?


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:46 18 Feb 16

Reply #578613

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

He shouldn't have been started on the bench......ever!


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Dazz
Last year
01:17 19 Feb 16

Reply #578628

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

Its a nonsensical concept.
I often talk about starters, but I don't really give a rats arse who is standing where for the ball-up. When I talk about starters, I'm referring to the core players who play most of the minutes. Usually, you "start" a game with your best core players on court, hence the term "starters."
Redhage "started" a couple of games this season, but he's not a "starter."

I recall a game, I think it was last season, when Schensey was "started" purely for the tip-off, and then benched at the first opportunity, and played only maybe 15 minutes for the game. Is his "starting" a basis for defining his status as a player.
Put it another way, when its time for new contracts, who are you going to offer more money to? The guy who "started" more games, or the guy who averaged a lot more minutes, points, and rebounds?


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koberulz
Last year
01:26 19 Feb 16

Reply #578630

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

A starter is someone who starts the game. I don't understand why you're having so much trouble with basic English.

The whole point of starting the award was to recognise that merely starting the game on the bench doesn't mean you're inferior to those who start the game on the court.


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Luuuc
Last year
01:28 19 Feb 16

Reply #578631

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

Why are you trying to redefine a word?
Starter means a player that starts. Doesn't mean highest scorer. Doesn't mean most minutes. Doesn't mean biggest salary. Doesn't mean most valuable. There are already perfectly good terms to describe those characteristics.
Seriously, wtf? Where is the ambiguity or mystery here?


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koberulz
Last year
01:43 19 Feb 16

Reply #578633

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

The one thing I will say about the criteria is I don't think "starts more games on the bench than on the court" is really the best way of doing it. I'd like to see the requirement for bench starts to be raised to two-thirds, at least. Not that it would've affected the result this year.


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Ingles13
Last year
01:51 19 Feb 16

Reply #578637

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

Does anyone think Demopoulos will slide Warrick into the starting lineup in NZ? With the season on the line (and potentially his future), Demopoulos will be under huge scrutiny if they get swept 2-0


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Bear
Last year
07:18 19 Feb 16

Reply #578654

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

Problem for UTD is that Kickert is being found out and NZ seem to have his number.

UTD have plenty of shooters, but NZ dominate the paint and the boards, so if Kickert doesn't fire they are carrying him.

The better balance against NZ may be Majook and Warrick, but it is a case of picking your poison at the moment because Pledger is a player UTD can't seem to manage.

The game last night was very much about match ups, as it usually is, so NZ found the miss-matches and UTD almost helped them do it...

Demopoulos now has to throw caution out and play to win by making moves ahead of NZ, but good luck with that as the Breakers coaching is as good as it gets in the NBL!


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proud
Last year
14:22 19 Feb 16

Reply #578798

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

The ONLY thing I feel needs to be clarified with this award is how many games can you start before being considered a starter... I'm thinking of someone like Angus Brandt who didn't start until Joe Connolly came in and started every game after that... So is Angus a starter or a bench player.

Thought Jervis should have been in the conversation for this award and not because the end of the season but I thought he was crucial early on when we weren't sure how many minutes Jawai would be playing


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koberulz
Last year
14:55 19 Feb 16

Reply #578814

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

They mentioned the criteria at the awards night, and I mentioned it above. It's starting more games on the bench than on the floor.


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Luuuc
Last year
16:39 19 Feb 16

Reply #578852

re: Best Sixth Man: Hakim Warrick

"I'd like to see the requirement for bench starts to be raised to two-thirds, at least. Not that it would've affected the result this year."

Two-thirds works for me. I wouldn't want it much higher though. Any team can experience some injuries that may result in a genuine 6th man being temporarily elevated to the starting 5. I wouldn't want that to cost them their valuable "bench" status ;)
(Leaving it at >50% is fair enough though IMO.
For a full season, current system = 15 games, two-thirds = 19 games. Not a huge difference)


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