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ME
Last year

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Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Half of the board were waiting for Andrew Bogut's excuse. Well, looks like we may have it.

Today Bogut spoke about the Zika virus, and his concerns. He stated that he is "100% committed as of now" to the Olympics and is watching the situation closely.

While on one hand you can't blame athletes for being proactive about their health, it is no surprise that it would be AndreW Bogut, the first australian to raise his concerns and look for reasons why he might not compete.

Where Bogut does have a point is that the Olympic committee has not spoken about how it will protect athletes from a potential outbreak. That is something that needs to be done soon, with less than two months until the competition starts.

With many Dream Team players pulling out, Pau Gasol also wary, and now Bogut, FIBA now should have a vested interest in insuring the health of players at Rio this year.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nba/austalias-nba-star-andrew-bogut-said-he-would-consider-pulling-out-of-olympics-due-to-zika-virus/news-story/d9c56b7c0f8c4bbc0f0e8f836700b1b9

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Anonymous
Last year
15:30 8 Jun 16

Reply #588865

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

when has Bogut ever "looked for reasons" not to compete?


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XY
Last year
16:05 8 Jun 16

Reply #588872

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Anon, don't you remember that time he blamed his broken hand and elbow dislocation, which also kept him out of a fair chunk of the NBA season!

Excuses, excuses...


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harryteabagpotter
Last year
16:11 8 Jun 16

Reply #588873

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

#588865

This was quite a measured response to this issue, where he states that he simply won't accept advice from the governing body which is obviously has reasons to encourage people to attend.

Getting independent advice on a health matter is a positive step.

Bogut has always competed when healthy going back all the way through juniors and has given a lot for his country even though he doesn't have to (Steven Adams as a comparison).

I like the fact he keeps BA in check and speaks his mind on issues that affect everyone including the women's team as the money he has made over his career gives him the freedom to do so.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:14 8 Jun 16

Reply #588874

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

^^^^ Harry agree with you 100%.


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AngusH
Last year
16:17 8 Jun 16

Reply #588875

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

It's a legit concern, IMO. I don't care what the WHO says ($$$). Given the political climate and the Zika virus, the only thing keeping Rio going is the amount of money being spent (and projected to be earnt).


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ME
Last year
16:25 8 Jun 16

Reply #588876

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

It probably doesn't help things when the Olympics are insistent on holding their competitions in second and third world countries.

Part of the reason Zika is so prevalent there is due to their water sanitation not being up to snuff.

I was a little uptight in my appraisal of the situation earlier but I do understand his concern. It is up to the Olympic committees to quell these fears with a reasonable response.

I just really hope we don't end up losing half our team to fears which are likely to turn up as unfounded. From everything I have seen it is highly unlikely to affect the area around the Olympic park and the only way to catch it person-to-person is through sexual contact, hence the 500 thousand double strength condoms the Olympics are now supplying their athletes.

He says he is "100% committed" right now, and I know Bogues tends to say what he feels. So that is heartening. And you guys are right about the injuries. It just feels sometimes they have a funnyt way of falling on the years of major tournaments. That is no fault of his own.


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XY
Last year
16:28 8 Jun 16

Reply #588877

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

It was ME who inferred that it would be Bogut would look for reasons not to compete, as though he had repeatedly done so in the past.

I think most would agree that Bogut's historical commitment to the Boomers has been adequate and his several omissions understandable.


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XY
Last year
16:30 8 Jun 16

Reply #588878

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

ME beat me to the post, retraction accepted.


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ME
Last year
16:37 8 Jun 16

Reply #588879

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Maybe Basketball Australia should do its own investigations independantly to see how they can help minimize risk to players. They have a full time coach and staff now, with presumably little to think about until July.


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harryteabagpotter
Last year
16:42 8 Jun 16

Reply #588882

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Looks like we all agree :-)

I misread the anons post... lol


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Anonymous
Last year
17:10 8 Jun 16

Reply #588886

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Yes ask Jason Day the same question.


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PeterJohn
Last year
17:24 8 Jun 16

Reply #588887

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I'm not sure how you can be 100% committed and still be considering pulling out. He's reported as saying both in the article. That's equivocation, not commitment.

Add to that the article focuses almost exclusively on his perception of the risks and consequences, others not going and his mistrust of assurances from official channels that it will be safe for team members.

I was left feeling he's favouring not going and in need of convincing otherwise.

He's quoted as saying he'll pull out "If it get's serious". So I was looking for what he meant by "serious". Would it be the CDC raising the alert level to 3 (it's currently Level 2)? I couldn't find anything to quantify where he's set that bar.

Assuming that info wasn't edited out, the article read, to me, more like a prelude to pulling out than a statement of commitment.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:15 8 Jun 16

Reply #588892

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

http://www.cdc.gov/zika/pdfs/fs-zika-basics.pdf

Health concerns come first.

If you can believe the CDC. It doesn't really pose that much of a threat to men. Other than if they are planning on starting a family in the 6 months after they exhibit Zika Symptoms.

So, if you can believe that, I don't know what the concern is?

For Women, well that is a whole different issue.


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ME
Last year
19:37 8 Jun 16

Reply #588893

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I guess the question will be if we can do well without Bogut. My guess is we probably could but it is not ideal. There aren't too many rim protectors like him out there. And yes, it seems very much like whaT Curry said a few weeks before pulling out.

And yeah, it wasn't the "I'll be there no matter what" that we all would have liked. Rather than 100 percent committed, it seems closer to 50/50


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Ricey
Last year
19:41 8 Jun 16

Reply #588894

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Zika. Worst excuse really. How many Aussie athletes head to south east Asia without a thought? Oh wait. Media hasn't blown that up yet, so it's ok. Likely hood of any athlete getting it is like .00000001%. They won't be near anything containing it


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ME
Last year
19:57 8 Jun 16

Reply #588896

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

This is just like Swine flu. It is just another variation of a virus which is for the most parts pretty mild and they still haven't confirmed that it even causes those birth defects. People living in poverty drinking poorly sanitised water seem to be the ones getting these things - funny that.


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AngusH
Last year
21:02 8 Jun 16

Reply #588898

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

It's a lot more serious than swine flu given the type of birth defect we're talking about, and "In April 2016, WHO stated there is a scientific consensus, based on preliminary evidence, that Zika is a cause of microcephaly in infants and Guillain-Barré syndrome in adults".

It's not 100%, but it's close enough for me.

There's some nasty viruses and diseases in SE Asia, but you know the risks involved in those areas a lot more than you do in Brazil. With no vaccine and no treatment for the virus it's an unknown risk, and I have zero faith in anything like a fair or impartial decision or announcement from anyone with any remote ties to the IOC or their money.

But hey, I don't even know if Zika is the biggest risk. The country sounds like it could very slide into complete chaos at any time with the amount of political instability in Brazil right now.


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ME
Last year
21:12 8 Jun 16

Reply #588899

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

They need to stop holding the Olympics in shitholes.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:15 8 Jun 16

Reply #588900

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I wouldnt want to be going over there. You guys all seem very confident its all a big media hype, but stuff that. Start holding these world events in safe places, and whilst your at it, perhaps where the crime rate isnt high etc so these countries dont get rewarded for hiding their shit under the rug for 16 days.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:27 8 Jun 16

Reply #588902

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Amen.

I.o c to blame not any athletes

Hold the worlds premier sporting event in a 1st world virus free, war free country

All this discussion ane issues go away

Its that simple imo


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ME
Last year
21:48 8 Jun 16

Reply #588903

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I do agree with that much. I mean people were going to pull out of Beijing due to human rights issues. Two of the last five Olympics have been in dumb places.


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Ricey
Last year
05:30 9 Jun 16

Reply #588906

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Zika is in SE Asia though buddy. It's not a brand new issue in the world. It's just news to people now because the media decided it's time to let the gringos know.

Yes. Let's have it in western countries only so we can see only tiny parts of world cultures. Toughen up ladies. You're more likely to get robbed of your shit in South Bronx than you are walking through Colombia, Rio, Beijing, etc. Common sense will stop you from getting sick too.


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Anonymous
Last year
07:20 9 Jun 16

Reply #588908

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Ricky you seem a little sensitive about the Zika virus, are you on the Olympic committee? I mean cmon man no need to bash others for making common sense points about an important topic. So what the disease is in south eastbasia too? Just because it's already been out there for a while doesn't make it all of a sudden a non issue. A lot of people from a lot of different parts of the world will be coming to Brazil for this event, and if it is a stronger strain etc and it spreads humans only have themselves to blame. Plus your kidding yourself if you think Brazil is a safe place, lots of shit goes on there that is swept under the rug.


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Ricey
Last year
07:29 9 Jun 16

Reply #588909

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

No, just find it annoying how stupid people can be because they saw something on the news for the first time. What common sense points? Unless you drink the shitty water or swim in it, you'll be fine. You think the Olympic accomodations, or the nations, will allow an outbreak? In other words, there's nobody freaking out about going to these SE Asian countries, so why just for Brazil? Didn't say it's a non issue, just pointing out the worry is pointless. I never said it's safe, but it's not nearly as dangerous as you would think. But please, complain some more from your little bubble. When you've been through some actually dangerous places, you'll learn and evolve to find that the world isn't as dangerous as you think. I've had more issues in western countries than I have in any developing nation, which seems to be the same for most travellers I meet.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:04 9 Jun 16

Reply #588913

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Im not in a bubble, just commenting on a pretty interesting topic. Not sure why people have tofend their points by knocking others. you dont obvioulsy know what travel experience I have had etc and its not the point. The Zika virus is a big enough deal, that some people have pulled out, a GB athlete even went and got his sperm frozen for exmaple. Is he being over dramamtic too? Sam Armitage from CH7 is consdiering not going because she wants to fall pregnant? Again she is living in a bubble? C'mon man, maybe the western world didnt give a rats until now, but the threat is legit, and warranted.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:02 9 Jun 16

Reply #588920

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Olympics to me is the premier sporting event & treated as such

Its great to experience other cultures, but its not what the Olympics is for, the Olympics isnt there to solve the worlds problems its a sporting event.

I personally believe it should be held in 1st world countries so these issues do not derail it all the time.

Plenty of nice places it could be held & not have athletes pulling out or thinking about it due to health or safety concerns.


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AngusH
Last year
10:53 9 Jun 16

Reply #588924

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Zika links to microcephaly in SE Asia? Zero. Maybe it's not just Zika, maybe it's a combination of things. Point is, it's unknown. Maybe 6 months after the Olympics they figure out exactly what it is, but too late then, right?

As for the South Bronx.... I hardly think comparing the US to South America re: crime is the best way to go. Some parts of the States are well below the poverty line, and as someone who has traveled through South/Central America, some of the worst places I've been in terms of how unsafe I felt at the time would be in the US - parts of New Orleans and parts of San Fran in particular.


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ME
Last year
10:57 9 Jun 16

Reply #588925

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Microcephaly has affected 1'400 kids in Brazil - a country of 200 million I think?

It isn't anything near the epidemic they're painting it as.

And then how many of those will be in Rio? And how many of those will be linked to other causes? They can't even confirm a link to Zika.

This is a storm in a tea cup.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:09 9 Jun 16

Reply #588928

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Well the boys on hoops have cracked the case. Everyone go over to rio with no fear at all of any issue.


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Ricey
Last year
11:24 9 Jun 16

Reply #588933

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Getting sperm frozen? That's hilarious. So dramatic. May as well not leave his house, you know incase people decide to drive on that day. How many channel 7 reporters do you think will slumming it? I doubt she would be anywhere but a 5 star hotel. Totally over the top.

First world countries have big issues too. Can't have it in NYC, because well, 9/11. Who knows when that may happen again. Can't have it in Austtalia because of all those snakes and spiders. Can't have it in England because of dental issues lol. Seriously. Unless the country is in a place like Venezuela, then it shouldn't be an issue.

If we have it in the countries westerners would deem safe and plausible options, we would have the Olympics in essentially the same countries over and over again. Boring. Then you would also have the developing nations pulling out because they have no opportunity to improve their tourism trade, or anything else. Nekminit the Olympics have Europe, Australia, USA and Canada. Yay, boring much?

You pussies are more likely to be killed by a cow than Zika, or the plane to the country, or the taxi on the way to the airport, or the whopper you ate at the airport because you happened to be too lazy to make breakfast.

If you're scared of Rio you should be scared of your own backyard. Be cautious, obviously, that's common sense, but freak out and don't go because some kids in some remote area you won't even come across are sick? Grow up.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:26 9 Jun 16

Reply #588934

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Or killed by a ricey rebutle


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ME
Last year
11:30 9 Jun 16

Reply #588935

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

There is nothing to worry about. They will be some of the most pampered and shielded people in the planet. It is spread by mosquitos or sexually transmitted. Unless Bogut plans to fuck every single person in the stands or drive out to rural areas with stagnant bodies of water his chances of catching it are minimal. He is right to investigate and be cautious, but any half-decent source from anywhere that doesn't have a reputation for scaremongering shows that this is really a minimal threat to them.


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Ricey
Last year
11:40 9 Jun 16

Reply #588936

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Well played anon lol


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Jay
Last year
11:49 9 Jun 16

Reply #588938

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

The Promise Rio Couldn't Keep via @ESPN App http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/14791849/trash-contamination-continue-pollute-olympic-training-competition-sites-rio-de-janeiro


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ME
Last year
12:17 9 Jun 16

Reply #588941

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Read most of that. I think the main point is the Olympic committee need to stop thinking they can fix cities by holding their events there. From what I read it seems like athletes in water sports are going to get ill regardless of Zika.


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Ricey
Last year
12:34 9 Jun 16

Reply #588944

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

In reality it's similar to the World Cup. The IOC need to stop forcing countries to spend billions on venues and such, and allow the funds to be spent as they are needed. Not to mention lying to people and saying it will profit the country/city, and most of all lining their own fat pockets.

The fact Beijing has the 2022 Winter Olympics is just crazy. Why do they have it? Money!


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Anonymous
Last year
12:36 9 Jun 16

Reply #588945

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Yea Olympics isnt made to develop countries

Its sport

Just need good sporting facilities in places which are safe, low risk in terms of disease, war,etc imo

I may be soft but the current issues causing top athletes to pull out or think about it wouldn't exist if they did this

What other industry holds its premier event, a multi billion dollar event, watched by billions world wide in a developing country??

If in your job you got to go to your premier event would you rather go to a really nice European city, a nice city in the usa,etc or would you rather go to rio??

How many choose rio for a holiday over a holiday in a nice euro or American city??

I also believe long term the Olympics does little to help these countries anyway so whats the point??

I doubt it stops athletes from developing countries competing either, they would likely love a trip to some of the great cities around the world

If it means Olympics is only hosted by a handful of countries to keep it from these things then so be it. Find 10 places, each place only hosts once in 40 years so hardly repetitive.


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Ricey
Last year
13:35 9 Jun 16

Reply #588949

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Hahahahahaha ummmm mate, millions dream of going to Rio and Brazil over Europe. For example. Europeans. Come on buddy.

What's the point? Sharing the wealth to a degree. Oh sorry, we think you're a shit country by our standards, so we won't entertain your attempt to hold this even which you attend regularly. Think a bit harder here buddy. The world already looks shit enough for big economic countries, and then for them to hog events like World Cup, olympics, etc?

You do realise these athletes from developing countries do compete at other events around the world right? A lot of them also live in those countries you think they want to compete in. I think you'd find a lot of them saviour the opportunity to travel to other places they may not see such as Brazil to compete in their chosen sport.


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Cram
Last year
13:45 9 Jun 16

Reply #588950

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Zika is certainly something to keep an eye on but it isn't nearly as bad as reported especially in Rio. It's largely in the north eastern states. And the time of year for the games it's quite dry and cold as opposed to most of the rest of the year. I'm the part of Brazil where I am it's practically not an issue at all which is how it will be in Rio by August


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Anonymous
Last year
13:50 9 Jun 16

Reply #588951

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Do gasol or bogut or really any athlete pull out over concerns like this if it is held in Melbourne or Barcelona or los angeles or many other places???

To me that's how u avoid any of this stuff

You need the top athletes competing or it waters down the competition imo across any sport.

Virus or no virus u could find many places athletes are not afraid to travel to, which is what i think should happen

I hate wen 8 weeks out we are talking about this for the biggest sporting event in the world

Use my suggestion we are talking about the sport and how exciting it's going to be to see all these athletes including gasol n bogut


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ME
Last year
14:06 9 Jun 16

Reply #588952

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

"Hahahahahaha ummmm mate, millions dream of going to Rio and Brazil over Europe. For example. Europeans. Come on buddy."

Yes, people tend to go to countries that aren't home when they travel. That is the point of traveling. I guess you nailed that concept.

"What's the point? Sharing the wealth to a degree. Oh sorry, we think you're a shit country by our standards, so we won't entertain your attempt to hold this even which you attend regularly. Think a bit harder here buddy. The world already looks shit enough for big economic countries, and then for them to hog events like World Cup, olympics, etc?"

Cameroon, Nigeria and Egypt regularly attend thE Olympics. I can't remember one being held there, though. And why? Because they aren't suitable places. Rio with all of its various public health issues probably is not a suitable place. This has nothing to do with 'sharing the wealth' when sixteen years later Sydney is no better off for having had the Olympics in the first place.


"You do realise these athletes from developing countries do compete at other events around the world right? A lot of them also live in those countries you think they want to compete in. I think you'd find a lot of them saviour the opportunity to travel to other places they may not see such as Brazil to compete in their chosen sport."

There are a lot of countries in the world. For a lot of people any other country is a different country. You don't have to hold your Olympics in a cesspit to prove some point about travel.

"Zika is certainly something to keep an eye on but it isn't nearly as bad as reported especially in Rio. It's largely in the north eastern states. And the time of year for the games it's quite dry and cold as opposed to most of the rest of the year. I'm the part of Brazil where I am it's practically not an issue at all which is how it will be in Rio by August "

From what I have read, Zika is just the tip of the iceberg. Rowers using Brazilian waters have a good chance of getting sick. They just throw their rubbish in the river and use the streets as a toilet. I don't think Zika is the problem and I hardly think people who generally stay indoors or bring their own water will be affected. But lets be real, not a great place to hold it.

"o gasol or bogut or really any athlete pull out over concerns like this if it is held in Melbourne or Barcelona or los angeles or many other places???

To me that's how u avoid any of this stuff

You need the top athletes competing or it waters down the competition imo across any sport.

Virus or no virus u could find many places athletes are not afraid to travel to, which is what i think should happen

I hate wen 8 weeks out we are talking about this for the biggest sporting event in the world

Use my suggestion we are talking about the sport and how exciting it's going to be to see all these athletes including gasol n bogut"

Exactly right. The Olympics is not necessarily a humanitarian exercise. If your city isn't up to code, it shouldn't win the rights. IF it wants to compete to hold the games, it needs to work to get to that point.

The Olympic committee think they can fix a city by holding a games there. Fact of the matter is Rio has problems that will take decades to fix.


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ME
Last year
14:45 9 Jun 16

Reply #588956

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HEXpQuEpZI


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Anonymous
Last year
18:44 9 Jun 16

Reply #588973

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Jeez now we have a board for of medical experts and basketball coaches and sneaker experts.


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Cram
Last year
20:24 9 Jun 16

Reply #588980

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

The sewage is definitely an issue. I think the rowers and sailors etc have great reason to not want to go. It's not that people use the streets to go to the toilet it's that many many of the homes (especially in the slums) are built with literally no oversight and while they do have plumbing it simply directs into the streets or storm water drains instead of actual sewers


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Ricey
Last year
04:25 10 Jun 16

Reply #588993

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Barcelona, hardly a clean city. Los Angeles, can't go to certain areas because of drug and crime issues. Oh wait, they're western so it's different. Get out of Australia mate and you'll be surprised how safe places are once you stop being a stuck up wanker.

ME, are you arguing facts and then agreeing?
Sydney actually helped Australian tourism. We went from being "too far away" to a place everyone wanted to go. So as a country, yes it made us better off. We even nearly hosted the 2004 Olympics if you recall because of how well we operated.
You could point out about a hundred countries that haven't hosted it, and a bunch of western countries that have and still make very valid points as to why they shouldn't host.
Mate you're one minute agreeing with points, then now arguing against them? Puff puff pass buddy.

Fact of the matter, other than some parts of Europe and Australia/NZ, now where is ideal, and even then so many issues can be raised. Like Australia can't hold it thanks to our governments role in the high suicide rate of aboriginal youth. See where I'm going here?

Obviously the rowers and athletes using the water in general in the ocean/lagoon have valid problems to raise. How can it be fixed? Easy, have those events in a a cleaner section of water in Brazil. Problem solvered.


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paul
Last year
06:42 10 Jun 16

Reply #588996

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Here's a report of a letter by medical professionals from around the world calling for the Olympics to be moved.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-28/rio-2016-olympics-should-move-due-to-zika-virus-threat/7455710

The WHO disagrees, but the debate is an important one, and I think it's good people like Bogut are putting it front and centre and making the authorities address it properly.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:41 10 Jun 16

Reply #588999

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Ricey to me its as simple as this to me

If the Olympics were held in say Barcelona, LA, Melbourne, Sydney, London, Tokyo, Paris, etc would there be top athletes like bogut and gasol thinking of pulling out??

Would we be talking about this virus? Or would we be anticipating how great the Olympics are going to be???

Should athletes be put in a position where they have to travel to a place that has issues, ie the virus, that they may be very uncomfortable with??

Im not saying the sorts of places im suggesting are perfect, everywhere has issues, but they are obviously things athletes feel are more manageable and are happy to go to these sorts of places.

I don't know them personally but i bet if you said to gasol, bogut and frankly most athletes the Olympics is in LA they would be like sweet im in. I doubt a single athlete pulls out cos they are not comfortable going there.

This makes all the issues we r seeing not exist, so to me is a logical option. But yes no city is perfect but many places have less risks & issues than rio.

The AFL doesn't play its grand final on a suburban ground in a lower socio economic are

The NBA don't play the finals in the ghettos

They all play in parts of the city that most people feel are nice & safe in world class facilities

Call me a snob but i think the Olympics should be treated in the same way

There are like 30 1st world countries, start with the major sports cities in them to host Olympics

If Olympics wanna help developing countries then great but don't need to have them host to do it.

I know some wonderful people from places like sudan, phillipenes, and i myself hope to visit my friends home cities which as u said likely are safe, but it doesn't mean Olympics should be held there

It's the premier sporting event, so hold it in the worlds top countries & cities and then issues like the virus which lets face it none of us are experts on, don't threaten to derail it and draw the attention from the games itself.

I hate the fact these discussions exist and have not been resolved so close to the Olympics starting, when they wouldn't need to be if they were more selective with the host city.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:22 10 Jun 16

Reply #589002

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Ricey u sound like someone who has done a bit of travel, u been to Brazil/rio??


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ME
Last year
11:41 10 Jun 16

Reply #589011

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

My stance on the matter is pretty straightforward: I don't see why you'd pull out over the Zika virus, however I think Brazil is a stupid place to have the games and they should have had more foresight. The rowers are the ones that I am more concerned for.


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Ricey
Last year
13:47 10 Jun 16

Reply #589036

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

So your concern isn't the actual reason, it's just that 2 players are pulling out. Ok.

We wouldn't be talking about the virus, but something else, like every other fucking Olympics. Moron.

The AFL, NBA, and so on play in other areas because... Money, stadium size, etc. Shit comparison. And if you look at some stadiums positions in the world, you'll find it isn't the best place. For example staples center is downtown LA, which in recent years has began to flourish again but has been a hot bed of drugs, homeless, decay, etc forever. Nice try though buddy.

Rio isn't Sudan, it isn't close to being the same. Make crap comparisons, and get crap responses. Think harder.

I'm currently in Colombia, heading to Rio for Olympics, and will be spending time through the continent this year. Spent last year in places most of you haven't heard of, and are considered unsafe, but again, unless you've been don't make silly assumptions. Most of the world is safe with a little common sense.

It's not where the games are so much as it is where the events are. They should be better spread out through the country to make sure people are safer to compete. Simple really.


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Ricey
Last year
13:51 10 Jun 16

Reply #589038

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I'm not debating there are issues with Brazil, or any other place in the world by the way. Just that freaking out is pointless, and to say we should only have games in countries that majority white people exist is silly, if not stupid to a point. Most of you would probably be stupid enough to say Russia isn't a safe option because Murdoch reported it so


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Anonymous
Last year
14:13 10 Jun 16

Reply #589041

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I bet Ricey is a hipster.


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ME
Last year
14:35 10 Jun 16

Reply #589043

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I don't remember 'majority white' being said. But if those tend to be the safer places in the world, so be it.

We do have a responsibility to the athletes. As I said, I think Zika is a storm in a tea cup, but my concern is mainly for people who will have direct contact with their water.

They've tried to bring their water up to code and they have not achieved it. With just two months out and they are nowhere near ready.

So, if I must say it again, it is people with direct contact with unsanitary water that I worry about. Have you not heard the stories of the Croatian rowing team practicing there only recently getting sick? It's not from Zika.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:40 10 Jun 16

Reply #589045

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

First of all no one is abusing you, so play the ball and not the man, no issues if u disagree but do it with logic not insults.

Healthy debate is great imo and what these issues need.

2nd you never answered my questions. Just went on tangents that suited u.

Would athletes, and im sure its alot more than bogut and gasol pull out or even think of it, if the olympics where held on one of the places i suggested???

And would they be happier/more comfortable going?? (I paraphrased from my earlier post)

I dont remember a histeria like this leading to say sydney or London Olympics. I may have forgotten, but dont re call. Whether it is right or wrong re the virus i will leave to the medical experts. Some who seem concerned.

Being basically the 2 main ones.

Being this is an elite sporting event which needs its elite athletes that is the key imo.

The Olympics is sport. Not a humanitarian exercise to fix the world imo.

And hosting the Olympics wont fix the virus or othet issues in rio anyway.

I would love to see issues like the virus, poverty, etc all be fixed. But this is not what the Olympics and hosting is about.

I kno little about the virus am not claiming it to be safe or unsafe on it, i just dont think athletes should be forced to take this risk, that some seem uncomfortable with in the first place. Especially when many other viable alternative host cities are around without these risks.

Yes i have never claimed LA to be perfect, as u said its got its issues. But i bet if u asked many athletes if they would feel more comfortable going to rio or LA which is one of the many places i suggested, they would chose LA which imo makes it a better host city. Not perfect but better.

I never compared sudan and rio, was just saying im not against developing nations personally, they are likely mostly ok and full of wonderful people. I just don't think they should host the Olympics.

My opinion has nothing to do with race, i just think they should hold these events in areas where these risks do not exist and where the athletes themselves feel comfortable going.

You are clearly a traveler, who doesn't mind taking these risks, but that doesn't mean everyone has to be or is weak or stupid for not wanting to. Yes the risk may be minimal as u say re the virus. Yes risks of crime, etc exists in all nations including 1st world. Not saying anywhere is perfect just better than rio at this point.

Btw off topic would love to hear more about what columbua is like, i have a sponsor child there, would love to visit one day.

Anyway peace out, everyone can have an opinion, aswell as a personal risk tolerance, etc thats just mine.

I would hate to see heaps of athletes pull out or get sick over this virus or any other issue and ruin the Olympics when it could have likely been avoided in the first place in a different city.


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XY
Last year
17:06 10 Jun 16

Reply #589055

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Anon, the IOC cannot and will not just stage events in developed countries for a range of reasons, including amongst other things money, voting by member countries, politics, self-interest, money, factionalism, vested interests and money.

The Olympics are not just about sport (and certainly not an humanitarian exercise either) and despite your apparent belief is not governed only by white Western developed countries. Even more so, they are not run by athletes who might get a bit precious about where they go to compete. The games will still proceed even if some athletes or even countries boycott the event (which has happened many times before).

Hence your wish to have the Olympics always hosted in safe first world countries is just a nice fancy. Moving the event somewhere else two months out even more so.

I do recall vividly the concerns regarding Beijing's deadly smog before those Games? What came of that?


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Anonymous
Last year
17:47 10 Jun 16

Reply #589057

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Yea fair points especially re the self interest & money dictating the location of the olympics.

I just wish they did put the athletes first and there wishes & well being re the host city.

I know it wont happen, but it is what i wish did happen. As i doubt its just a few being precious either, i reckon there would be heaps with concerns, not just the virus. If im wrong i agree don't bow to just a few but if im right then in the future i wish the athletes were consulted re host cities. Again as u said re money etc probably wont happen but i wish it did as the athletes are basically the olympics.

I kno it wont move & possibly too hard at this point i just thought hosting in rio given the issues was a bad idea to begin with.

I hope all the athletes compete without any short or long term issues that could have been avoided and the rio Olympics has no heath issues but i have my concerns n doubts for the athletes.

If any athletes get sick from these issues and im meaning 1 , especially long term, that is un acceptable in my view. Especially cos if propper decision making was made it would have been avoided.


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Hoopie
Last year
20:09 10 Jun 16

Reply #589060

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Once the multi-billion $ TV contracts are agreed then who actually turns up becomes irrelevant to the IOC, because they've locked in the big bucks. If a few top names pull out, I doubt if the IOC will lose any sleep - just as long as those athletes LOOK like they're going to be there in order to make sure the biggest possible contracts are signed.
It's all about the $ the IOC can make, whether as an entity or members individually through kickbacks.

Btw, from memory, within 2 years of the South Africa soccer World Cup, weren't most of the stadiums lying idle because nobody could afford to use them? Don't countries hosting the Olympics usually take 10-20 years to finally pay off all the debts? There wouldn't be too many 'safe' cities which could actually afford them these days.


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ME
Last year
22:12 10 Jun 16

Reply #589064

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Hoopie, it will affect their bartering power in future Olympics if stars don't show for this one. They will have to prove that it wont be the case again


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Anonymous
Last year
22:17 10 Jun 16

Reply #589066

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Ask Jason Day's wife whether it's safe or not.


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ME
Last year
02:21 11 Jun 16

Reply #589070

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Lemanis jumps to wishful thinking, assuming that Boguts "100% committed" quote can be taken as absolute, unchangeable fact. I think he thinks if he publicly declares he's there, somehow Bogut will feel compelled to play regardless. Probably the only tactic that he could use with Boguts attendance clearly in the balance at this point.

I am glad to hear that Basketball Australia will, themselves, be looking into the Zika issue.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/olympics-2016/australias-basketball-coach-andrej-lemanis-tells-of-relief-after-andrew-bogut-commits-to-rio-games-despite-concerns-over-zika-virus/news-story/9bf023753fcace07f87755fa821f74c1


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Ricey
Last year
04:48 11 Jun 16

Reply #589071

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I think people are also forgetting, it's an event meant to be for amateurs and not professionals. So be glad any pros rock up


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Anonymous
Last year
08:47 11 Jun 16

Reply #589074

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

The 'amateur' thing is so out dated & hypocritical these days same with ncaa

So much money made from these events by some

It wouldn't be the premier sporting event without the pros playing


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Anonymous
Last year
12:16 11 Jun 16

Reply #589082

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Usa basketballers dropping like flys now,

None of them are saying it, but i bet if hosted in a better city most of these guys play.

Which is exactly my point

And it likely wont just be American basketballers skipping the olympics either

It takes it away from being the pinnacle of sports when top athletes skip the tournament


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ME
Last year
13:11 11 Jun 16

Reply #589084

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Be glad any pros rock up? lol. The Olympics have evolved, Ricey. This isn't ancient Greece and we aren't wrestling naked in the mud for a portion of silver coins.

This is about the world's BEST competing against each other. I don't think that should change just so you can bring your humanitarian effort to more third world shit holes.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:37 11 Jun 16

Reply #589096

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Have you been living under a rock Ricey? How do you think the Dream Team was eligible to enter.


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Ricey
Last year
17:59 11 Jun 16

Reply #589103

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Well duh, obviously it wouldn't be the same without the pros, but if you're going to nitpick at things why don't we start with what the games are meant to originally be for huh? Or doesn't that fit your narrative.

ME, you do realise pro ballers didn't play until the 80s right. Few years ahead of the ancient Olympics. Nice try though.

Ummmm the dream team was able to enter because they lifted the ban on pro ballers. Again, originally the games are for amateurs. So if you want things to be all wholesome, and great for people, why not go back to the way it was before the son of Adi Dassler changed sports forever with the Olympics and World Cup. Read up on how the Olympics and World Cup got to be the financial juggernauts they are now. There's a book all about ADIDAS vs Puma. You'll learn a thing or two.


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Ricey
Last year
18:07 11 Jun 16

Reply #589104

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Oh, and never said Olympics should have its games in places for humanitarian reasons, however you people have said Beijing is and was a bad choice due to human rights issues. Hmmmmmm. Odd comment to make in hindsight isn't it

Oh, and this quote from 4 hours ago on sports illustrated "No basketball player has withdrawn due to concerns about political unrest or the Zika virus in Brazil." I highly doubt these guys would pull out and not give the actual reason, especially Westbrook


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ME
Last year
18:18 11 Jun 16

Reply #589105

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

"Well duh, obviously it wouldn't be the same without the pros, but if you're going to nitpick at things why don't we start with what the games are meant to originally be for huh? Or doesn't that fit your narrative."

No, it doesn't fit my narrative because it is stupid. Olympics haven't been about that for a long time. Get with it. The Olympics will stop being a global cultural phenomena if they return to being an amateur competition. It is not an amateur competition. This is not about restoring the the Olympics to some imagined 'former glory'.

"ME, you do realise pro ballers didn't play until the 80s right. Few years ahead of the ancient Olympics. Nice try though."

Oh wise one, please tell me more? I hadn't realized that the 1992 Dream Team was the first Olympic team with NBA basketball players. Please inform me about how Pippen and Jordan made a point of shutting down Toni Kukoc. I really need that history lesson right about now.

Point remains, there have been professionals there for 24 years now. It is now a professional competition. Your stance makes NO sense.

"Ummmm the dream team was able to enter because they lifted the ban on pro ballers. Again, originally the games are for amateurs. So if you want things to be all wholesome, and great for people, why not go back to the way it was before the son of Adi Dassler changed sports forever with the Olympics and World Cup. Read up on how the Olympics and World Cup got to be the financial juggernauts they are now. There's a book all about ADIDAS vs Puma. You'll learn a thing or two."

It is good for no ones business or entertainment value to return the Olympics back to an amateur competition, and your reasons for wanting to do so are vague at best. Something something lets hold Olympics in shit holes something something travel... am I right?

"Oh, and never said Olympics should have its games in places for humanitarian reasons, however you people have said Beijing is and was a bad choice due to human rights issues. Hmmmmmm. Odd comment to make in hindsight isn't it"

No. It is about not holding the Olympics in places where athletes will likely pull out because of it. Of course some athletes will pull out to protest human rights violations. How do you equate that to the fact that they shouldn't host Olympics in places where water sanitation and living standards aren't up to code? In an earlier comment, you spoke about players wanting to travel to other countries to experience sport there. I never occurred to you that people are pulling out of Rio because they DON'T want to experience sport there. And then, later on you shrug that off and say return it to an amateur competition? Errr... Dafuq?

"Oh, and this quote from 4 hours ago on sports illustrated "No basketball player has withdrawn due to concerns about political unrest or the Zika virus in Brazil." I highly doubt these guys would pull out and not give the actual reason, especially Westbrook "

The trend is 'I have spoken to my family and we have decided that its best for me to stay home'. Those are codewords for 'Rio is a shithole and I am not fucking with that shit'.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:11 11 Jun 16

Reply #589107

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Speaking of saying things to suit narratives, you still never answered my direct questions,

The main one being

Would athletes, and im sure its alot more than bogut and gasol pull out or even think of it, if the olympics where held on one of the places i suggested???

Do a quick google search and see the growing number of basketballers not going or thinking of it, who are not injured and just dont want to. A fair chunk of the first choice USA team has withdrawn, and im sure we havnt seen the last of it.

That alone is a reason to host in one of these places i have suggested and not Rio

Olympics is professional, its about the BEST of the BEST, you reckon TV stations will pay billions of dollars to show an amateur competition?? Do you reckon it would get the same viewership?? At the very least it has been this way since 1992, if not earlier in many sports, so a fair while now

To be honest, the amount of withdrawls have already made me less excited about the basketball at the olympics, which is my fav sport

US team is dropping like flys, i doubt that KD, LEBron or Kyrie will go either which makes it even worse

I never mentioned Beijing and China, Beijing is a different issue,and you may of noticed it wasnt a place i suggested, and also doesnt fit my suggestion of 1st world hosts, so in a way your proving my point

And ME is correct, guys saying they dont wanna go, gotta rest, free agency, family reasons, etc generally means i dont wanna go to that place, but dont wanna publicly bag it, so will blame something else like these things, and be very vauge about it

I almost guarantee all of these guys would play if it was in a place i have suggested, most are not injured, or even free agents needing to protect there value in the short term, so they simply dont wanna go, which again proves my point, they shouldnt hold these events in Rio

Basketball, just one sport is looking watered down already, with heaps of USA guys out, and i predict others will follow suit, Batum and both Gasols are atleast considering not going, Marc al beit is due to injury, but even if he wasnt im not sure he would be keen to go. Others like Bogut have publicly voiced concerns, you lose 1 or 2 guys of the tournament, cos they dont wanna go to Rio, is basically losing 10-20% of the top talent from the top teams, it makes the tournament far less attractive for viewers and frankly future sponsonrs, etc. Im a basketball tragic and getting less excited about the olympic basketball, what are casual fans gonna think??

Seriously if im the NBA, id organise a basketball tournament in the USA, with all the guys that dont wanna go to Rio at the same time or there abouts, could build some nice international rosters, sell sponsorships and tv rights easily, and cash in on this, if given the choice between a tournament in the USA and Rio olympics im sure many would rather stay/go to the USA, build international rosters from NBA sqauds and see how good some of these teams could look. Yes i know this wont happen, but if i were the NBA id look at it., could even pay the players too, something the Olympics doesnt do. Mark Cuban even hinted at something like this a while ago, cos he isnt a fan of the Olympics using there players whilst not paying the player or the club, particlularly if they get hurt at the olympics or in the lead up to.

Im sure its not just basketball too, its just the olympic sport i follow, im sure many sports are dealing with similar issues.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:51 11 Jun 16

Reply #589108

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Just listening to a Bill Simmons podcast, and they are saying they wouldnt go to Rio, for a range of reasons, including the viurs, and are wondering if any NBA player really wants to go.

Doesnt this sort of debate even being said, sorta prove my point,

Again this isnt happening or even being discussed if Olympics are held in a better place!


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Anonymous
Last year
22:52 11 Jun 16

Reply #589109

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

What a great idea let's go back to the Ancient Times and still stay there. Ricey you have seriously lost any credibility going down that road. Maybe they should reintroduce chariot racing too. By the way do your homework and you will find out its been professional for about 40 years. Keep digging that hole.


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ME
Last year
23:10 11 Jun 16

Reply #589110

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

I think with Ricey it all comes back to some vague humanitarian and travel effort. He doesn't even make sense anymore. It is frustrating watching him try to grapple with some pretty standard logic. It is like giving a robot a irreconcilable difference and watching it combust.

Ricey, no one wants your amateur league Olympics held in Mongolia. You do realize the NBA was once semi professional, right? Well how about we move it back to that and make dribbling and dunks illegal, yeah? Because that is the way it used to be done? So they can hold NBA games in a small town in Buttfuck Idaho, get no sponsorship, and no one will give a shit. Makes sense, right? Well that is basically your attempt at common sense.

Quit with your garble, dude.


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Ricey
Last year
01:09 12 Jun 16

Reply #589112

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Was responding to anon actually.

Typo. 90s obviously. It kind of does make sense when you're so upset about the financial side of things. Oh and yes it was a phenomenon prior to the 92 Olympics. It just wasn't as profitable until Dassler introduced Olympics to this new concept of sports marketing.

I'm not saying we need to return to amateur. You haven't read what I said clearly. I was making a point about your silly arguments between you both.

Athletes have pulled out of China. They will pull out of America too possibly, or even Australia. Not everyone is worried about the same thing as you. Some may worry for no reason over a virus they will never get, and some will worry about wars raged on countries by the USA, or the humanitarian efforts not made in Australia. Living situations, like in some of our own third world areas, that like in Brazil wouldn't affect the athletes? Again, you can't make everyone happy. So in one instance you're saying we can't do that, and then saying we should still try?

Again, unless they come out and say it, you're just guessing at best. Other athletes have been open about the subject, so why wouldn't they?

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Yes I did Anon. I said yes essentially, but for other reasons. You seem to be worried still about athletes pulling out though for something that won't affect them. That being Zika.

How many first rate choices never committed in the first place for other Olympics in other countries that are "safe"? Does that mean we shouldn't host those places again because it wasn't the first desired team?

Check that book anon. You'll learn why and how long they have been getting big dollars. It wasn't because they had professionals competing. They had people interested on a global level before the pros, it wasn't some local tournament with hicks playing before either.

Your point isn't proven because somebody says "I don't feel like going" especially when that's been the reason given many times by many athletes. Unless they say otherwise you're simply guessing and hoping it to be true.

Yeah, the basketball is so watered down now with Cousins maybe making the team. He is such a scrub right? Like how did he ever make an NBA team. Dude barely scores or rebounds. The rest of that paragraph is really just pointless.

So you're talking about one sport, that isn't even remotely affected by the actual issues at Rio. Congratulations, you won a purple star today little Johnny.

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Again, I said basketball hasn't been pro that long. I never talked about the other sports. I also mentioned where funding first began and where to get the information on how that all started.

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Again, neither said anything about trying to make it humanitarian or hold it in Mongolia. Which would be awesome by the way, only that it would be cold as shit and nowhere other than Ulanbator to hold it. Also never said it should be amateur.


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Ricey
Last year
01:10 12 Jun 16

Reply #589113

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

And rice out... Hopefully people actually read this time and don't just try to force words into ones mouth. And hopefully can see the fairly obvious sarcasm in past posts also.


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Anonymous
Last year
10:24 12 Jun 16

Reply #589120

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

NOw its the sarcasm card. Way too late.


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ME
Last year
13:56 12 Jun 16

Reply #589122

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Ricey, just admit you were wrong rather than pretend we didn't understand your tone when you wrote the ridiculous things you did repeatedly with utter conviction.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:13 13 Jun 16

Reply #589147

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

"Marcus Thompson of the San Jose Mercury News said Cleveland Cavaliers forward LeBron James and Golden State Warriors forward Andre Iguodala are considering missing the event because of Zika worries. It is not just an American issue, as Spain's Pau Gasol isn’t sure whether he will participate because of the disease, per Tales Azzoni of the Associated Press."

Well shit. I guess no one is worried about it. You were right all along ricey


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Ricey
Last year
05:44 13 Jun 16

Reply #589149

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Because that's what I said... Rice out


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Anonymous
Last year
07:42 13 Jun 16

Reply #589150

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Mr. Ricey, what you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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Ricey
Last year
08:40 13 Jun 16

Reply #589152

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Lol, that would be a good quote to use, but you took a little long to pull it out. Better luck next time. Anyways. I'm finished here. Good day little ladies. may Buddha bless your tiny little hearts


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Anonymous
Last year
08:43 13 Jun 16

Reply #589153

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

You were finished a longgggg time ago


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ME
Last year
13:22 13 Jun 16

Reply #589169

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Ah that Billy Madison quote. It never gets old.


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Dazz
Last year
16:03 13 Jun 16

Reply #589174

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Zika may not pose much of a threat to your average male, but I wonder if it would be bad enough to deprive a Professional athlete of their edge?

Its spread by mozzies, and they are hard to eradicate.

You won't find many cleaner cities than Singapore, but several years back they were in the grip of a Dengue outbreak. So its not just rural areas in dirty third world countries.

That said, I'd think basket-ballers and others playing in indoor venues would be amongst the safest. I imagine they would fit all the doors with air-curtains and periodically fumigate.
Not sure I'd want to be an equestrian, road-cyclist, or rower though.


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Luuuc
Last year
12:18 14 Jun 16

Reply #589204

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Looks like Bogut might not even need to resort to the Zika excuse.


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D4444
Last year
13:35 14 Jun 16

Reply #589214

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Haha... my thoughts exactly.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:47 14 Jun 16

Reply #589266

re: Zika virus may keep Bogut out of Olympics

Or anyone on the track and field, perhaps table tennis or GOLF you retard Dazz.


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