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Anonymous
Last year

#40162

Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Can the wildcats win this game? They'd feel like they have a fair shot with the Hawks looking shaky of late

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Luuuc
Last year
01:38 28 Oct 16

Reply #604508

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Martin & Kenny were both important, and Ingram's 9 points more than handy, when we got past the Hawks at home a week ago.
That suggests we need the others to seriously lift if we're going to compete in Wollongong.

The bookies give us a chance - $2.51 for a win, with Hawks at $1.53
I still like the Hawks at that price though. 77 minutes of backcourt is a huge ask to replace in 1 week.


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Dazz
Last year
03:29 28 Oct 16

Reply #604509

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

It's a hard one to pick.
When they met in Perth, several Hawks had what appeared to be a quiet night. It will only take one of two of those to step up at home, to turn the tables.

Without Martin and Kenny, and with others out of position, Perth's defence won't be anywhere near as strong, and I fear that will let some of the Hawks off their leash.
Victory for the Cats would require Wroe to really step up, and for JJ & McKay to have big nights in addition to Prather and Knight.

Heart says Cats, head says Hawks.


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Jack Toft
Last year
08:59 28 Oct 16

Reply #604520

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

The Cats do not particularly travel well and I think there are some games they seem very "blah-zay" going into, especially the "lower ranked" teams.

Having said that, Illawarra have not set the world alight this season. (apart from coming out of the blocks like Usain Bolt in R1) Losses to Syd (H), Mel (A), Per (A), Syd (A) see them on the bottom of the table.

My kiss of death is on the Hawks to claw this one and end the run of outs


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Anonymous
Last year
09:11 28 Oct 16

Reply #604521

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Hawks were $2.5


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Nonanon
Last year
09:35 28 Oct 16

Reply #604524

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

"The Cats do not particularly travel well"

No team does.


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Andy
Last year
09:38 28 Oct 16

Reply #604525

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Re the loss of 77 minutes of Cats backcourt, would expect a lot of Zone D from the Cats, and lots of 3's from Hawks. It could get ugly.


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Jack Toft
Last year
09:38 28 Oct 16

Reply #604526

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Nonanon, No they don't. I think the teams get about 30% on the road.


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Freethrows
Last year
09:44 28 Oct 16

Reply #604527

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Jack Toft, I think you should check your facts on teams winning 30% on the road. That sounds very unlikely.

While I'm at it: "Having said that, Illawarra have not set the world alight this season. (apart from coming out of the blocks like Usain Bolt in R1)"... not the best analogy; Bolt is renowned for being very slow out of the blocks! :D


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LV
Last year
09:48 28 Oct 16

Reply #604528

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Is Norton back? He'll help the Hawks.

At some stage the Hawks will have another huge shooting night, and put on 100+ points. It's only a matter of when. With Damo missing, the Cats famed D is significantly weakened, so this could be the night.

If that happens, it might get ugly for the Cats. Perth fans might wanna stay back late at work and avoid this one.


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Nonanon
Last year
09:49 28 Oct 16

Reply #604529

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

If all teams combined get 30% on the road, and the Cats won 6 from 14 last year, you'd consider them to travel especially well! ;-)


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LV
Last year
09:59 28 Oct 16

Reply #604530

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

It all starts with D. Hawks will run their typical full court pressure. Can Jackson Hussey and Corban Wroe handle it, and consistently get the Cats into cohesive half court sets or press breaking transition/broken play buckets? If not, it'll be a long night and Gleeson will be dreaming of stepping onto that plane and back to the comforting confines of Perth Arena, where the crowd brings the intimidation and the refs help out where they can.


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XY
Last year
10:14 28 Oct 16

Reply #604533

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Exactly Nonanon. Perth are better than average on the road. You kind of have to be to keep making the finals.

They were the equal second best road team last year (6-8), fourth the year before (also 6-8), and the best road team the year before that (9-5).

The away team won 29.5% of the time last year, down from 41% each of the previous two years.


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Nonanon
Last year
10:25 28 Oct 16

Reply #604537

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

The commentators from Sunday's game kept on banging on about a "rare" road win for Perth. They were counting the two finals away losses in the 7 game streak. Thats fine, but it also means they were 6-3 in their first 9 road games of the season. Talk about cherry-picking stats!


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Train
Last year
10:33 28 Oct 16

Reply #604540

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

I'm going with the Hawks tonight (as much as it pains me). While they may not be the form team at present, the backcourt of Harris, Clarke, Martin and even White may be a bit too much for Wroe, Hussey, DKD and Johnson.

The defense of Kenny and Damo is going to be sorely missed.


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LV
Last year
10:39 28 Oct 16

Reply #604542

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Norton is back. He's their quickest guard, he will help them with the pressure and pace game plan, which doesn't suit Martin as much.


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Bear
Last year
10:44 28 Oct 16

Reply #604544

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

It certainly helps having a fit roster, any team losing a key player, or two is going to struggle in this league when up against the odds as has been proven time and again.

Too many obstacles for the Wildcats tonight I fear, so looking for the Hawks to swoop down and pluck a win, by 12 points.


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Anonymous
Last year
11:07 28 Oct 16

Reply #604550

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

In response to Jack toft, usain bolt is actually slow out of the blocks go watch some of his races. Once he stretches out that's when he excels


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Anonymous
Last year
11:26 28 Oct 16

Reply #604555

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

He might not be #1 on the planet out of the blocks but Usain is still rather rapid. I don't think anyone is saying that the Hawks round 1 win was the best start by any basketball team ever.
If we're going to get picky.


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SC6017
Last year
12:26 28 Oct 16

Reply #604566

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Okay, so damo out is a massive out. Cats at $2.51 I think is incredible value, rarely see the betting agencies give them that sort of money.

Johnson I think will counter the Ingram out, if not provide more. Redhage showed last week that he can still step up when required, I'm guessing he will be asked to do so tonight.

Hawks have lost the last 4 games and are coming off a drubbing at the hands of the kings (17pt loss couldve been worse had Gaze not played his bench towards the end) and the Cats through all their rotations, no knight, johnson/ingram in and out have managed to win the last 4. 2nd spot vs last spot...


Am I the only one that thinks this is an incredible value bet?


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Train
Last year
12:26 28 Oct 16

Reply #604567

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

The perfect end to the Cats import saga is JJ going for 40 and winning the game for Perth(again).


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Luuuc
Last year
12:38 28 Oct 16

Reply #604570

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

SC6017 I can't say I'm seeing the same value in the Cats you are, but I like your optimism :)

I think losing Martin & Kenny leaves a bigger hole than most people realise. The things they achieve defensively compensates for a lot of our offensive issues. We're going to need to find a lot of extra points tonight from somewhere.

Odds have extended out to $2.71 for the Cats since last night btw.


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LV
Last year
13:10 28 Oct 16

Reply #604573

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

The odds are very good value....if you're betting on Illawarra.


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paul
Last year
13:39 28 Oct 16

Reply #604577

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

"The things they achieve defensively compensates for a lot of our offensive issues."

Not to mention generates a lot of easier scoring opportunities.


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leungtl
Last year
14:31 28 Oct 16

Reply #604581

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Unless Prather plays like James Harden yesterday in a points guard role, I can't see the Wildcats getting up today.


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James
Last year
14:32 28 Oct 16

Reply #604582

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

If both teams were fully fit I would say Perth ass they are better but Perth are decimated with injuries so Hawks by 10


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Anonymous
Last year
14:32 28 Oct 16

Reply #604583

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Judging by a photo the wildcats posted on IG, starters appear to be

Wroe
Prather
Hire
Knight
McKay


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SC6017
Last year
14:43 28 Oct 16

Reply #604585

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Okay so I guess I am the only one.

I've doubled my bet at $2.71. Can't remember the last time cats were paying this much

Hawks from what Ive seen the last few games havent looked that flash.

Although I agree the hawks SHOULD win, I think the cats do stand a good chance.

Cats still have a good defensive presence in knight and mackay protecting the rim, Brandt is solid too.

I doubt Hire would start, my guess is

Johnson
Prather
Wagstaff
Mckay
Knight

Not a bad starting five still.


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_Strungout_
Last year
15:17 28 Oct 16

Reply #604586

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

They paid around $2.50 against Melbourne a week ago. That was with point guards on the roster.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:20 28 Oct 16

Reply #604588

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

If you're keen on betting on the Cat's H2H, I'd probably put a little on them at the line too as a bit of cover if they fall just short.


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Train
Last year
15:30 28 Oct 16

Reply #604591

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

I'd put my money on Wroe starting for Cats.

"Wroe, a development player with 19 games under his belt, is likely to go from the end of the bench to starter in the space of five days with injuries to fellow point guards Damian Martin and Jarrod Kenny."

http://www.wildcats.com.au/perth-wildcats/corbin-wroe-excited-new-responsibility/


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SC6017
Last year
15:56 28 Oct 16

Reply #604594

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Don't get why they'd wanna start Wroe?

Has he even played minutes this yr


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Train
Last year
16:03 28 Oct 16

Reply #604598

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

He's the only true point guard on the team aside from Hussey. He may not play many minutes but hes more likely to start than another player who is not a true PG.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:49 28 Oct 16

Reply #604603

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Wroe is a defensive specialist. He will start to match up on Clarke


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Dazz
Last year
18:14 28 Oct 16

Reply #604613

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

@ Luucc, yeah Martin & Kenny are MASSIVE outs for the Cats, no question. People forget that in addition to defence, both are good at the point. That's a big responsibility to transfer to Wroe and Prather.
Every Cats win this season has been achieved by grinding the opposition down over 4 quarters. Going to be hard to do that without them.


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Luuuc
Last year
18:32 28 Oct 16

Reply #604615

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Cats are out to $3.34 now. Hawks $1.33
Margin 6.5 points

I'm with you, Train. I want actual point guards playing as many of the 40 minutes as we can get away with. It's tough enough competing with 2 guys out. Throwing the balance out by shifting people out of position will only make it harder.

Prather has to do so much for the team as it is, so I'd rather not see ball handling duties added to his workload.
Anyway I've already killed any expectation of winning this game. We could, but I feel like not only would a lot need to go right for us, but a heap would need to go wrong for the Hawks too. All I ask is no further injuries.


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Bill on the ball
Last year
18:37 28 Oct 16

Reply #604616

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ


It has to be as a starter. Get him confidently in the throes of things.

JJ will come in later and blow his horns.....He is feeling the energy I am sure after being sidelined. Expect no less than his best effort to date today.


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Train
Last year
18:48 28 Oct 16

Reply #604617

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Looks to be Wroe and Hire starting as the guards. They ran with Hire at the 2 spot during the preseason IIRC. That kinda makes sense as both Kenny and Martin were high intensity guards not too reliant on scoring.

Massive opportunity for Wroe, he's been in the squad for a couple of years now. This will be a test too see if he has a future in the NBL.


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SC6017
Last year
18:48 28 Oct 16

Reply #604618

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

I've doubled up on my bet. Have confidence people. I'm obviously blind but I really do believe we have a good enough outfit to match the hawks, maybe not good enough for an adelaide, kings, bris or united but certainly the hawks!


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Anonymous
Last year
18:50 28 Oct 16

Reply #604619

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Not expecting to win.I'll be pleased as long as we put in a good effort, don't get absolutely rolled and see some good signs from guys like Wroe, JJ and DKD


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Anonymous
Last year
18:51 28 Oct 16

Reply #604621

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Kenny and hire were out against MU and we still won. But Martin might be too much


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Anonymous
Last year
18:52 28 Oct 16

Reply #604622

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Any team starting wroe and hire at guards can't be much of a chance


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Anonymous
Last year
18:53 28 Oct 16

Reply #604623

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

It's puzzling why Gleason doesn't start j JJ. We're 2-0 when he starts and 0-1 when he doesn't


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LV
Last year
19:01 28 Oct 16

Reply #604624

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

SC6017 is about to get the shock of his life.

Being a Perth fan it's surprising you disrespect a Bevo coached team


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Anonymous
Last year
19:03 28 Oct 16

Reply #604625

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

I think the Hawks will win too but I credit Sc007 for backing himself


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Zodiac
Last year
19:04 28 Oct 16

Reply #604626

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

James Harvey picks the Hawks 'easily' tonight.


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Ricky
Last year
19:06 28 Oct 16

Reply #604627

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Bloody hell... black on red vs red on black.. SMH


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James
Last year
19:24 28 Oct 16

Reply #604628

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Brave effort by the undermanned cats


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James
Last year
19:36 28 Oct 16

Reply #604629

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

poor coaching by Gleeson for not bringing in Johnson and let him have the ball instead of young Hussey


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KET
Last year
19:39 28 Oct 16

Reply #604630

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

This red and black vs black and red is confusing and ridiculous. These are the type of things that make the nbl look unpolished.

Who's the leader commentator in this match? (Not carf or harvey)

Also noticed they ditched the LED clock for the scoreboard graphic


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Train
Last year
19:43 28 Oct 16

Reply #604631

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Perth doing OK considering


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Luuuc
Last year
19:43 28 Oct 16

Reply #604632

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Commentator is Adam Papalia (usually does Perth home games)


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James
Last year
19:50 28 Oct 16

Reply #604634

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Boy oh boy Perth's point play right now is terrible. Wroe just makes bad decisions


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Anonymous
Last year
19:50 28 Oct 16

Reply #604635

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Yet still only down 2 lel Hawks


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Train
Last year
19:52 28 Oct 16

Reply #604636

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

I expected this game to be a blowout with the Hawks dominating. It's hard to distinguish if it is Perth playing really good or Hawks playing really bad.

Wroe can hold his head up high so far.

Harris and Holyfield have been fun to watch so far.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:53 28 Oct 16

Reply #604637

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Here we go.....bubbles is having a whinge on twitter and going to start a shitstorm of "perf cheaters!"


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shayno
Last year
19:53 28 Oct 16

Reply #604638

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

I dont often say much on here but damn who picks the jerseys in the NBL? first they look awful and secondly make sure there is a clash jumper so they dont look the same! sheesh.

p.s DD the seat on the plane is warming up


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Luuuc
Last year
19:53 28 Oct 16

Reply #604639

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

When we're not throwing the damn ball away we hang in there ok. Credit to the D, but we need to be smarter against it.

Can't fault the fight though.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:56 28 Oct 16

Reply #604642

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

I just got home who has been throwing the ball away? Wroe?


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Train
Last year
19:56 28 Oct 16

Reply #604643

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Cats away jerseys might clash with Hawks .....but Damn how awesome do they look. Perth should wear them at home. I want one!!!


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Anonymous
Last year
19:59 28 Oct 16

Reply #604645

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Wroe has played the most minutes of anyone so far in the game. Need more of Johnson on the court instead imo and have him and Prather carry the ball. Not too annoyed with Wroe's turn overs since he's been thrown in the deep end here, but I don't think he's up to playing so many minutes.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:00 28 Oct 16

Reply #604646

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Why has JJ only played six minutes? Still in Gleason's doghouse


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Train
Last year
20:01 28 Oct 16

Reply #604647

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Johnson only 6 minutes so far...wtf. Is this evident taht Perth have NO intent of keeping him around. He is still shooting over 60% from downtown !!


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Anonymous
Last year
20:11 28 Oct 16

Reply #604648

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

James Harvey is very good commentator


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Luuuc
Last year
20:11 28 Oct 16

Reply #604649

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Is it my imagination or does Harris get a lot of leeway with travels? Feels like at least a couple of moves have been questionable.

Prather PF #4 is a killer :(


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Anonymous
Last year
20:12 28 Oct 16

Reply #604650

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Why play our imports when we can play Corbin Wroe


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James
Last year
20:15 28 Oct 16

Reply #604651

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Perth has no reall ball handler at al out there


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Anonymous
Last year
20:16 28 Oct 16

Reply #604652

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

lol keep fouling DKD shooting threes


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Anonymous
Last year
20:20 28 Oct 16

Reply #604653

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

DKD can shoot y'all


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James
Last year
20:22 28 Oct 16

Reply #604654

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

wroe gets lost off the ball all the time on defence


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Anonymous
Last year
20:22 28 Oct 16

Reply #604655

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Kernich looks promising out there


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Anonymous
Last year
20:24 28 Oct 16

Reply #604656

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Is it just me or do Perth seem always get lost defensively on simple screens and can't execute one themselves to any effect?


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Luuuc
Last year
20:25 28 Oct 16

Reply #604657

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Surprised to be down only 5 after all our sloppiness. We're still a rough chance if Casey can stay in the game.


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Train
Last year
20:26 28 Oct 16

Reply #604658

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Why aren't Perth starting DKD at the 2. He looks good.


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SteveK2
Last year
20:28 28 Oct 16

Reply #604659

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

4 mins left and Hawks still only leads by 3. Just my feeling but Illawara's backcourt seem to sorely lack playmaking ability. Good at one on one slashing when offense break down, particularly Harris but this game exposed the Hawks' weakness. My guess is they'll probably win the game anyways, Perth will eventually succumb to not having Damo.

Also noticed that Harris' lack of height/length seems to negatively impact his style of play in NBL. He'd be a monster if he's at least 2 inches taller or longer wingspan.


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James
Last year
20:33 28 Oct 16

Reply #604660

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Dumb turnovers by perth are killing them


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Luuuc
Last year
20:35 28 Oct 16

Reply #604661

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

JJ fouls out in < 14 minutes :/


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Anonymous
Last year
20:37 28 Oct 16

Reply #604662

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

JJ fouls out


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Anonymous
Last year
20:37 28 Oct 16

Reply #604663

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Is it just me or are the hawks getting some seriously soft calls that are only going one way.

Not that i really care but im actually thinking the hawks are a bit lucky to have this lead at the moment


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Anonymous
Last year
20:37 28 Oct 16

Reply #604664

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Game over


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Anonymous
Last year
20:37 28 Oct 16

Reply #604665

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Has Gleeson ever mentioned pick and roll defence at training?


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Anonymous
Last year
20:41 28 Oct 16

Reply #604666

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Cats gonna Cats


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Anonymous
Last year
20:43 28 Oct 16

Reply #604667

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Scoreboard morons gonna scoreboard morons


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Luuuc
Last year
20:44 28 Oct 16

Reply #604668

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Gleeson's gonna flog


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Anonymous
Last year
20:48 28 Oct 16

Reply #604670

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Dex gon give it to ya'


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Anonymous
Last year
20:50 28 Oct 16

Reply #604671

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Breakers gonna break?


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Anonymous
Last year
20:51 28 Oct 16

Reply #604672

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Redhage you hog give it to Dex


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Anonymous
Last year
20:52 28 Oct 16

Reply #604673

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Perth bad turnovers and some open looks killed them.Really Perth lost this instead of the Hawks wining.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:52 28 Oct 16

Reply #604674

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

How long do the Wildcats persist with Wagstaff? Offering nothing this season.


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Train
Last year
20:53 28 Oct 16

Reply #604675

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Stuff Johnson, give DKD his minutes. I can totally see why Perth ditched Johnson.


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Luuuc
Last year
20:54 28 Oct 16

Reply #604676

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

How's that for an inbound pass!


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Anonymous
Last year
20:55 28 Oct 16

Reply #604677

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Gleeson is the inbound play master


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Luuuc
Last year
20:56 28 Oct 16

Reply #604678

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

LOL..
Hawks are making hard work of this easy win


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SC6017
Last year
20:56 28 Oct 16

Reply #604679

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

There goes my bet, however I from what I saw I still don't understand how cats were paying over $3.

Regardless of Damo and Kenny being out, Cats still should have won this one.

Silly turnovers,few questionable calls, Prather in foul trouble and Wroe playing 30 mins was questionable. I would much prefer having no true. He was a clearly a liability today, lost on defence, no playmaking at all and disappointed in his lack of hustle.

On the bright side we just discovered what DKD can do.


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Vic Wildcat
Last year
20:59 28 Oct 16

Reply #604680

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Not too upset with that loss. Played poorly and no real ball carriers, margin hasn't been as bad as i thought it would be. Always tough to win in Wollongong.

Prather went MIA in the 2nd half,and Wagstaff missing this season all together.

But a positive is they found out Kirnich Drew can play.


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Indoorkite
Last year
21:01 28 Oct 16

Reply #604681

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Harris legit sounds like Kermit the Frog


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Anonymous
Last year
21:03 28 Oct 16

Reply #604682

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Perth with Damo and Kenny wins this game by a handy margin. Hawks need to really look at the Holyfield guy as he just dose not bring anything especial.


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Train
Last year
21:06 28 Oct 16

Reply #604683

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

at conclusion of this game;

- DKD is a worthy investment - why were we looking for a knock down shooter overseas when we had one all along.

- Johnson's "deactivation" is totally justified - just doesn't fit this team!

- Wroe - a good backup but nowhere near ready to be a starter.

-Harris & Prather - Major contenders for MVP !!


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ROFLcopter
Last year
21:11 28 Oct 16

Reply #604684

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Gleeson is a flog.
DD is a shit coach.


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SC6017
Last year
21:16 28 Oct 16

Reply #604685

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Train: "- Wroe - a good backup but nowhere near ready to be a starter"

What did you see that would suggest he would even be a good back up. From what I saw he's justifiably a development player and no where near ready at all to play real minutes.

Kenny is a good back-up guard, Wroe is not.


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SC6017
Last year
21:16 28 Oct 16

Reply #604686

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Train: "- Wroe - a good backup but nowhere near ready to be a starter"

What did you see that would suggest he would even be a good back up. From what I saw he's justifiably a development player and no where near ready at all to play real minutes.

Kenny is a good back-up guard, Wroe is not.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:16 28 Oct 16

Reply #604687

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Just saw the final score on NBL.com.au
Congrats to the Cats for holding on for the 1 point win in a low scoring thriller.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:17 28 Oct 16

Reply #604688

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

And right as I post that they finally fix it


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Train
Last year
21:20 28 Oct 16

Reply #604689

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

@SC6017 - I think he was ok in the opening quarter....after that he went missing. But yeah I can't see him warranting minutes behind Martin and Kenny all bar blow out games. It wasn't just his offence, he just didn't stuff the stat sheet like Kenny/Martin. Matin can have a impact on the game without scoring a single point....Wroe just didn't get too that stage so totally see why you say what you do about Wroe.


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LV
Last year
21:25 28 Oct 16

Reply #604690

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Marvellous Harris was superb.

Closer than expected. Might have to downgrade my expectations for Illawarra.

Bit concerned about the Hawks. Their team game isn't clicking. They relied on Marvellous' individual brilliance to get the job done. The stats show this too- only 9 assists for the team.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
21:25 28 Oct 16

Reply #604691

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Wroe is at Kyle Adnums level.

Neither should see minutes until the blowout troll gets his wish.


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SC6017
Last year
21:30 28 Oct 16

Reply #604692

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

@Train agreed. Perhaps a few years down the track.

On the flipside, if we can come off with a 5 point loss away from home taking into account poor performance, a limited Casey and missing 2 key players. I'll take that.

I worry about Johnson and what we do with him now. I know it's only one game, but surely Gleeson must be thinking about now potentially utilising DKD more at the expense of Johnsons mins


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Train
Last year
21:31 28 Oct 16

Reply #604693

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Harris is fun to watch. Great finisher and I get double points as captain in my nbl dream team :P


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lawsy
Last year
21:54 28 Oct 16

Reply #604696

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Perth won't make top 4.. Call it now . They are shit, have zero offense, and are breaking down


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Anonymous
Last year
21:54 28 Oct 16

Reply #604697

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

The Cats are loaded with money, not sure why they keep going for cut price imports?

Need to spend like Sydney are


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Dazz
Last year
22:10 28 Oct 16

Reply #604698

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Weird game, but I suppose the overall result went to script. Cats sloppy & weak with Martin or Kenny.

Hard not to feel a little aggrieved at the foul count, but perhaps that's just a symptom of the other guys trying a bit to hard to counter Damo's absence.

I said it before the game, and I'll say it again. Why would you start Wroe, and give him so many minutes, putting so much pressure on a DP to carry the can? I appreciate we had few recognised options, and he will benefit from the experience, but a more experienced head might have been better.

Gotta be happy with the way DKD stepped up.

Jury's still out on JJ.
Good to have him back, but he didn't exactly save our bacon tonight. The team is massively unbalanced without Damo & Kenny, so its hard to judge him too harshly, but he needs to step up soon. He may not be the best fit for the 2 spot, but he needs to be able to play it.

Jury's still out on McKay.
His problem is that he needs somebody spoon-feeding him inside, which means we need our point guards back.
Hopefully both these guys will continue to improve throughout the season (as Prather did last year.)

Wagstaff needs to migrate further along the bench.

Can't wait to get Damo back.

Harris again looked the goods. Early tip for MVP.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:11 28 Oct 16

Reply #604699

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Wroe had some good assists I thought. That was his first game this year too. Will be better for the run.


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LV
Last year
22:12 28 Oct 16

Reply #604700

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Prather is the early MVP for sure.

Harris and Randle not too far behind.


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Zodiac
Last year
22:23 28 Oct 16

Reply #604703

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Randle should be out in front at this stage, he carries the team on his shoulders and not too many teammates be stealing votes from him either.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:25 28 Oct 16

Reply #604705

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

JJ scored 7pts in 14 minutes. That's actually a good scoring rate but he needs to learn how to stop fouling. Funny how Ingram scored 9 and 8 pts in around 21 minutes for each game and is deemed the answer yet everyone wants to chop JJ after putting up a better scoring rate. And no, Ingram wouldn't have stopped Harris either.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:41 28 Oct 16

Reply #604708

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

lawsy is brain-dead


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Dazz
Last year
22:41 28 Oct 16

Reply #604709

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Ingram showed potential and I think we were all more than happy to give him more than 2 games (straight off the plane) to show his worth.
Apart from his brief hiatus (when he never actually left or stopped training) JJ has been around for months.
Still giving him time, but he needs to start improving.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:16 28 Oct 16

Reply #604718

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Well, he's played three average games and one great one. Probably not the easiest circumstances this one. Imports should really get at least five games. Thought it was interesting when the commentators said Harris had scored in single digits the past two games. This was the first time I'd seen him and I was surprised by that. Just shows unless you are at the very top level consistent dominant performances aren't easy. Prather is doing it now but it even took him half a season last year to get there


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Luuuc
Last year
01:00 29 Oct 16

Reply #604720

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

On the one hand, he has played 15 average quarters and one great one.

On the other hand, I'm still not sure what his role is meant to be and I'm not sure he is either.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:07 29 Oct 16

Reply #604732

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

How can he have played 15 average quarters when he only played 14 minutes yesterday?


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Anonymous
Last year
09:38 29 Oct 16

Reply #604733

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

People are heavily influenced by the result I think. If we had Martin and Kenny and win that game then maybe people say Johnson showed some good signs in there circumstances. But we lose and we need a scapegoat


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Dazz
Last year
18:02 29 Oct 16

Reply #604765

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

What a shitty low-scoring game.
Still nice to see the NBL credit the Cats with the win.


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Ricky
Last year
12:52 31 Oct 16

Reply #605000

re: Perth v Illawarra Fri 28 Oct: the return of JJ

Dear Damo,

Please wear these from now on.



Actually:



Thanks,
Rickdawg


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