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Jack Toft
Last year

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Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Adelaide travel to Perth in what will be an important game for both teams.

Casey Prather tearing it up and keeping those pesky sandgropers entertained will be hard to contain. Much like trying to stop an ex wife who still has your credit card details. Damien Martin has come off of his death bed to saddle up for this gunfight. Maybe the Sixers need some silver bullets and a clove of garlic to stop him.

Perth games seem to be won and lost in the key. Good news for Cats fans, but not so good for Sixers fans. Perth's strength is their D and Adelaide's weakness is their D.

Sixers need to come out of the blocks fighting to steal a win tonight. I'm pretty sure the Sixers are the younger team running around and the "silver" cats are the oldest roster.

You guys know me well enough, I'm not going to tip a Cats win.....

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KET
Last year
16:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #605883

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Adelaide plays reasonably historically in Perth. With that said, Perth by 11


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Anonymous
Last year
16:13 5 Nov 16

Reply #605885

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Cats by 12 and Dazz to be very aroused very early on.


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Tempo
Last year
17:06 5 Nov 16

Reply #605889

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Do the 36ers play anything resembling defense?


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Brunson
Last year
17:07 5 Nov 16

Reply #605890

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

With no Creek, Teys and Ferguson will have to do a bloody good job on Prather if we are to have any chance. However, that will probably be unlikely and JJ and Martin will probably have season highs.

Perth by 14


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Anonymous
Last year
17:10 5 Nov 16

Reply #605891

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Dazz will cream his jeans early on. As in any given situation.
Adel should be 50:1 not 3:1.


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snooch
Last year
18:01 5 Nov 16

Reply #605894

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Why no Teys and Ferguson?


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Hendo8888
Last year
18:26 5 Nov 16

Reply #605899

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

He means, considering Creek is out, Ferguson and Teys will need to step up.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:09 5 Nov 16

Reply #605902

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Still lose by lots.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:47 5 Nov 16

Reply #605916

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Basketball will be the real winner tonight


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Isaac
Last year
20:40 5 Nov 16

Reply #605932

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

DJ out too. Cats $1.35 at Centrebet.


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Hendo8888
Last year
20:57 5 Nov 16

Reply #605946

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Where the hell do you find live stats on the mobile site? That website is a piece of shit.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
21:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #605951

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Teys is shit.

Gleeson is a flog.

Wildcats by 20+


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Rat10
Last year
21:04 5 Nov 16

Reply #605953

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Any sixer fans in the building? 2 courtside tickets behind our bench. Come on down. I'm serious.


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Zodiac
Last year
21:10 5 Nov 16

Reply #605957

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

DJ being out might actually help us.


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AussiePride
Last year
21:15 5 Nov 16

Reply #605959

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Massive charge by Prather!


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Anonymous
Last year
21:17 5 Nov 16

Reply #605962

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Wroe on Randle? loool


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LV
Last year
21:17 5 Nov 16

Reply #605963

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Damn, this is the season of injuries.

Cats by 20+.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
21:18 5 Nov 16

Reply #605964

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

JJ tearing the 6ers piss defence to pieces.


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Mike
Last year
21:19 5 Nov 16

Reply #605965

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I LOVE YOU JARON


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Anonymous
Last year
21:22 5 Nov 16

Reply #605966

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Johnson got his groove back.


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Mike
Last year
21:25 5 Nov 16

Reply #605968

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Inb4 Cats 3rd quarter fade out


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Tempo
Last year
21:27 5 Nov 16

Reply #605969

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

36ers might be the WORST defensive team the NBL has ever seen.

My goodness how can a team be this bad defensively?


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Anonymous
Last year
21:27 5 Nov 16

Reply #605970

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

What a difference martin makes for perth. Without him they are lost with him they are tough


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Zodiac
Last year
21:29 5 Nov 16

Reply #605972

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

You know when a team like Perth are on track to score 120 on you something is seriously wrong with your defence.


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Tempo
Last year
21:33 5 Nov 16

Reply #605974

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

LOL @ the 36ers..

Why are they soooo motivated to get offensive rebounds but have no desire to rebound on the defensive end?

LOL what a collection of FRAUDS


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Isaac
Last year
21:34 5 Nov 16

Reply #605975

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Hendo, the NBL mobile app is decent for stats. Try that.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:36 5 Nov 16

Reply #605976

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Johnson sounds like he is about to cry


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Mike
Last year
21:36 5 Nov 16

Reply #605977

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

lol @ LV with his Sydney then daylight call

Everyone knows Perth will be there and maybe even NZ


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Tempo
Last year
21:39 5 Nov 16

Reply #605980

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Adelaide will finish last..by quite a big margin i reckon


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Isaac
Last year
21:43 5 Nov 16

Reply #605982

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth have more offensive rebounds than Adelaide have rebounds.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:43 5 Nov 16

Reply #605983

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Hey tempo you dope are Adelaide going to come last because of another massive conspiracy?


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Tempo
Last year
21:43 5 Nov 16

Reply #605984

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

In the job description to play for the 36ers it clearly states that defense is not required.

If you want to play D, there is no room for you on the team


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ROFLcopter
Last year
21:43 5 Nov 16

Reply #605985

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

RANDLE!!!!!!!!!!!

What a legend


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Zodiac
Last year
21:44 5 Nov 16

Reply #605986

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle is insane


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Mike
Last year
21:45 5 Nov 16

Reply #605987

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Even if Sixers finish last Randle should get MVP

He is ridiculous


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Zodiac
Last year
21:45 5 Nov 16

Reply #605988

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I don't think I've ever seen ball-handling that impressive in a game before.


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Tempo
Last year
21:47 5 Nov 16

Reply #605989

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I have ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT in mind players and officials bet on games...

No doubt at all in my mind.


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_Strungout_
Last year
21:48 5 Nov 16

Reply #605990

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Tempo - yep you're still an idiot.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:50 5 Nov 16

Reply #605991

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle got lucky. That was a clear charge


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Tempo
Last year
21:50 5 Nov 16

Reply #605992

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

LOL everyone talks about Randle...

Why dont you all look at his defense...or lack thereof..

There is a reason why he cant make the NBA


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Anonymous
Last year
21:52 5 Nov 16

Reply #605993

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle should know that showboating wont work with M Martin


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Tempo
Last year
21:53 5 Nov 16

Reply #605994

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I have watched the NBL since the mid 90s and this 36ers team is the WORST defensive team i have ever seen...

By a mile


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ROFLcopter
Last year
21:53 5 Nov 16

Reply #605995

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth crowd is dumb as dog shit.
Ref calls a block when it appears a charge.
Perth crowd boos Randle (best player to grace their shit court) as a result. FACEPALM


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Hendo8888
Last year
21:53 5 Nov 16

Reply #605996

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

How does the whole team only have 1 assist between them?


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Anonymous
Last year
21:53 5 Nov 16

Reply #605997

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Johnson wow


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Mike
Last year
21:54 5 Nov 16

Reply #605998

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

THERE'S ONLY ONE JARON JOHNSON


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Hendo8888
Last year
21:54 5 Nov 16

Reply #605999

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

And Eric Jacobsen of all people has that one assist.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:54 5 Nov 16

Reply #606000

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Ennis is the best player to ever grace the court in Perth.


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Hendo8888
Last year
21:56 5 Nov 16

Reply #606001

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

The ap says we are winning. I assume this is false?


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Anonymous
Last year
21:58 5 Nov 16

Reply #606002

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Johnson finally living upto his potential. Dude just needs to be aggresssive


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Zodiac
Last year
21:58 5 Nov 16

Reply #606003

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth up 60-44 at H/T

Who knew Perth were an offensive juggernaut ;)


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Anonymous
Last year
21:58 5 Nov 16

Reply #606004

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

So I'm told DJ is missing due to a disciplinary reason?


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Anonymous
Last year
21:59 5 Nov 16

Reply #606005

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

So drmic hits two shots and thinks he belongs. Ease up fella, that's the least of what is expected.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:00 5 Nov 16

Reply #606006

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

JJ!!!!


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Mike
Last year
22:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606007

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

'Ennis is the best player to ever grace the court in Perth.'

uh no


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Anonymous
Last year
22:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606008

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

How come DKD no minutes?


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Joshuapending
Last year
22:03 5 Nov 16

Reply #606009

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

This is almost a repeat of the New Zealand game. Fort back to a workable margin and then the last few minutes make some cheap errors and the lead blows out.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:03 5 Nov 16

Reply #606010

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle is seriously good. But that was clearly a charge @mike


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Anonymous
Last year
22:12 5 Nov 16

Reply #606012

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Martin now injured his leg


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Zodiac
Last year
22:13 5 Nov 16

Reply #606013

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

What the hell is Teys doing?


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:17 5 Nov 16

Reply #606014

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle is wild good.

Perth crowd boo him still.

FUCKWIT ALERT!


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Zodiac
Last year
22:17 5 Nov 16

Reply #606015

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle just carrying us


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:18 5 Nov 16

Reply #606016

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Plenty of home cooking from the refs in Perth


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Anonymous
Last year
22:19 5 Nov 16

Reply #606017

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

@roflcopter no need to be jealous because we have a crowd


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Zodiac
Last year
22:19 5 Nov 16

Reply #606018

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Back to single figures


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Mike
Last year
22:19 5 Nov 16

Reply #606019

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

'Inb4 Cats 3rd quarter fade out'

Too easy


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:19 5 Nov 16

Reply #606020

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Gleeson is a flog


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:23 5 Nov 16

Reply #606022

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Gleeson is a flog


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Anonymous
Last year
22:23 5 Nov 16

Reply #606023

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Refs are a joke.

Not that they have been bad. Just funny


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Zodiac
Last year
22:24 5 Nov 16

Reply #606024

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I knew another Gleeson is a flog was coming him whinging about that call.


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Mike
Last year
22:24 5 Nov 16

Reply #606025

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

DKD is the GOAT shooter


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Zodiac
Last year
22:29 5 Nov 16

Reply #606027

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Deng's just about useless


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:30 5 Nov 16

Reply #606028

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Most of the 6ers roster is useless.

Teys is a starter FFS


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Mike
Last year
22:31 5 Nov 16

Reply #606029

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

36ers remind of the Pelicans

A mess but have 1 MVP calibre player who they don't feed enough


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Anonymous
Last year
22:31 5 Nov 16

Reply #606030

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Lucas Walker probably will get activated with Damo set to miss a few more games


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Anonymous
Last year
22:32 5 Nov 16

Reply #606031

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

ROFLcopter is a turd throwing primate.


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Manu Feildel
Last year
22:37 5 Nov 16

Reply #606032

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Reckon Drmic will be ROY


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Zodiac
Last year
22:38 5 Nov 16

Reply #606033

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Bloody Perth and all their grabbing & grappling


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:38 5 Nov 16

Reply #606034

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Gleeson is a flog


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Anonymous
Last year
22:39 5 Nov 16

Reply #606035

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Hussey is thraSAH


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Zodiac
Last year
22:39 5 Nov 16

Reply #606036

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

7 point game


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Zodiac
Last year
22:41 5 Nov 16

Reply #606037

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth are in trouble here so going the knuckle


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Anonymous
Last year
22:42 5 Nov 16

Reply #606038

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

How dumb are these refs....


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:44 5 Nov 16

Reply #606039

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

And the muppets still boo Randle


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Zodiac
Last year
22:46 5 Nov 16

Reply #606041

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle is insane!


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:47 5 Nov 16

Reply #606042

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle = unfuckingbelievable!!!!!!


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Anonymous
Last year
22:47 5 Nov 16

Reply #606043

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle is just wow


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Zodiac
Last year
22:50 5 Nov 16

Reply #606044

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Scores level


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56
Last year
22:54 5 Nov 16

Reply #606045

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

ROFLcopter we boo coz he yelled at the crowd to "shut rhe fuck up" at the start of the game.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
22:55 5 Nov 16

Reply #606046

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

@56 fair play mate. We didn't catch that on TV!!


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Zodiac
Last year
22:57 5 Nov 16

Reply #606047

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth getting that notorious home cooking


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Anonymous
Last year
22:58 5 Nov 16

Reply #606048

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Stop showing replays


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Zodiac
Last year
22:58 5 Nov 16

Reply #606049

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Stop showing highlights


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Anonymous
Last year
22:58 5 Nov 16

Reply #606050

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Now replay what we've missed


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Luuuc
Last year
22:58 5 Nov 16

Reply #606051

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Crazy finish


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Zodiac
Last year
22:59 5 Nov 16

Reply #606052

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

We've hit the front and didnt even get to see the last two buckets, what idiots are running NBL TV?


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Anonymous
Last year
22:59 5 Nov 16

Reply #606053

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Give us a scoreboard


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Anonymous
Last year
23:00 5 Nov 16

Reply #606054

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Fox. You wasted 10 seconds of my life and i want them back..... oh id only waste them anyway


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Rasheed30
Last year
23:00 5 Nov 16

Reply #606055

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

WTF Foxtel


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dani
Last year
23:01 5 Nov 16

Reply #606056

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

good game, terrible uniforms, some really basic ref errors and some of the worst TV coverage ever.


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Zodiac
Last year
23:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606057

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Refs doing everything they can to save Perth here


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Mike
Last year
23:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606058

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Well done NBL TV

THanks for showing replays for 60 seconds


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Anonymous
Last year
23:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606059

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Another useless call


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ROFLcopter
Last year
23:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606060

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Be fucked that was a charge!!!!!

Fuck the NBL


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Doug
Last year
23:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606061

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Not a charge


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Kyrie2Nation
Last year
23:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606062

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

THESE REFS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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dani
Last year
23:02 5 Nov 16

Reply #606063

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

what a terrible charge call, some of the refs should be fined their game payment.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:03 5 Nov 16

Reply #606064

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

That call is the 2nd worst in the history of the nbl


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Anonymous
Last year
23:04 5 Nov 16

Reply #606065

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

That would be the worst call I've seen all year if it wasn't for being mugged in Rio


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AngusH
Last year
23:04 5 Nov 16

Reply #606066

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Yikes. That terrible charge call just ruined what was a great game of basketball.


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Zodiac
Last year
23:04 5 Nov 16

Reply #606067

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Gotta give it to Gleeson like Heal said he's been working the refs real hard and now it's paying off.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
23:04 5 Nov 16

Reply #606068

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Dumbness rules.

Perth fans will boo


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Zodiac
Last year
23:07 5 Nov 16

Reply #606069

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Bad finish to a great game, shame on the NBL both for their refs and TV coverage.


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Luuuc
Last year
23:08 5 Nov 16

Reply #606070

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Boooooooooo!!!!!


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Anonymous
Last year
23:10 5 Nov 16

Reply #606071

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Always tough to win in Perth when it is 5 on 8


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FM
Last year
23:10 5 Nov 16

Reply #606072

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Not bad to lose from a Flop call gone wrong. 45kg hits 120kg and the 120kg is on the ground....far out that is a freebie Ref. You don't call that shit charge


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Kramered
Last year
23:10 5 Nov 16

Reply #606073

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

The officials should be suspended for the bullshit they produced tonight...An absolute disgrace and indictment on the league itself!


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LV
Last year
23:10 5 Nov 16

Reply #606074

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Prather, Johnson and Knight meeting up afterwards for a nice home cooked meal.

Oh hang on, that already happened. More like 2 minute noodles, it only takes two minutes but you know which way the calls are going in that last stanza....


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Mike
Last year
23:11 5 Nov 16

Reply #606076

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Yes my multi is still alive

What a performance by the GOAT Randle


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AngusH
Last year
23:11 5 Nov 16

Reply #606077

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I hope Knight is OK after that big collision with 60kg Jerome Randle.


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Manu Feildel
Last year
23:14 5 Nov 16

Reply #606078

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Yet another example of the Fiba timeout rules cruelling another game-of-the-year contender. Just bring back 'timeout on the floor'. Christ almighty when will they learn?


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LV
Last year
23:14 5 Nov 16

Reply #606079

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Lol @ my Sydney and daylight call cos Perth will be there?

Perth just beat Adelaide minus DJ and Creek, with three dodgy calls going their way in the last two minutes

If anyone gets close to Sydney it'll be Cairns. Or Melbourne if they get the other half of their team back and get their stuff together


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Anonymous
Last year
23:14 5 Nov 16

Reply #606080

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Fox sports suck and so do the refs! That was shit as F&$k!


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Manu Feildel
Last year
23:14 5 Nov 16

Reply #606081

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Haha well, I mean, it actually didn't impact the game but man I hate the rule.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:14 5 Nov 16

Reply #606082

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Out come all the upset adel fans from one obviously wrong call on the charge... yet ignoring the 6 or 7 obviously wrong calls that got them back in the game in the first place


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Anonymous
Last year
23:14 5 Nov 16

Reply #606083

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Out come all the upset adel fans from one obviously wrong call on the charge... yet ignoring the 6 or 7 obviously wrong calls that got them back in the game in the first place


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Anonymous
Last year
23:15 5 Nov 16

Reply #606084

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth up by 12 Damo goes off and Perth goes down the crapper. Perth really needs a second playmaker


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ROFLcopter
Last year
23:15 5 Nov 16

Reply #606085

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Knight is a flog

Gleeson is a flog

DD is a flog


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Anonymous
Last year
23:16 5 Nov 16

Reply #606086

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Melbourne is pure thrash LV. you are a clown. New Zeland, Perth and Cairns are much better


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Anonymous
Last year
23:17 5 Nov 16

Reply #606087

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Hell even Adelaide is better


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Uncle Phil
Last year
23:17 5 Nov 16

Reply #606088

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Will the NBL come out and say it was the wrong call and fine knight for flopping? One could dream....


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Mike
Last year
23:18 5 Nov 16

Reply #606089

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

'Perth up by 12 Damo goes off and Perth goes down the crapper. Perth really needs a second playmaker

Don't forget Kinnie is injured too


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LV
Last year
23:20 5 Nov 16

Reply #606090

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Oh and before anyone mentions that Sydney and Perth have the same WL, anybody who's been watching with half of one eye open knows Sydney's wins have been far more impressive. We'll see what happens in a fortnight when they play.


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cavolo
Last year
23:21 5 Nov 16

Reply #606091

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Tempo, you seem to have gone quiet in the second half...?

Maybe you tuned out after such a massive lead that Perth had at half time?

Loved the fightback from the 36ers and competed better on the boards. Big shots from both teams! Youth from the 36ers shows in clutch moments throughout the game :(

Shame NBL refs are so inconsistent both ways and affect te game as a whole. In this case, choosing not to call a foul on sobey's drive and just go with 'ole we'all give them the side ball even though we know it came off him until the pressure for the review came, and then the ludicrous charge call on Randle to spoil such an exciting finish :( (Perf had some rough ones go against them too eg cross court)

Tempo, was there any betting/rigging going on in this game?


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LV
Last year
23:23 5 Nov 16

Reply #606093

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Melbourne is trash lol, their 3 wins over Adelaide, Illawarra and Brisbane showed that they are capable and contenders. Things generally don't quite go so well in basketball when your best player is out injured. (Not to mention two others right now. Just to help the simpletons with their maths that's 3 players from an 11 man roster).


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Anonymous
Last year
23:26 5 Nov 16

Reply #606094

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Melbnourne are soft like jelly bro. When things get tough they go missing. They are not contenders.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:28 5 Nov 16

Reply #606095

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth and NZ are tough hard nosed clubs who will thrive when things get physical in the playoffs. Kings are talented and Cairns are a huge team. Melbourne will be left watching the playoffs from home.


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cavolo
Last year
23:31 5 Nov 16

Reply #606096

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Why is there such a bunch of insecure boys on here worrying about measuring the size of one's package, eg claim who's team is better after 6/7 games!?

Sit back and enjoy the games! As the season progresses the cream will rise, then beat your chest at that point. Seems like most teams can almost beat any team at the moment with so many new players and player movement, many injuries to key players so early in the season too.

So glad for basketball becoming prominent again through the NBL, media side on the up, players and quality etc. Just wish we'd get some more consistent reffing as a whole and not lose the 10 secs of play when a team hits the front after being down all game!!! ;P


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Anonymous
Last year
23:39 5 Nov 16

Reply #606097

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

"Things generally don't quite go so well in basketball when your best player is out injured. (Not to mention two others right now. Just to help the simpletons with their maths that's 3 players from an 11 man roster)."

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Hmmmm.. Yet Perth still seem to be able to win with several players out injured.
That's the difference between championship teams and contenders I guess....


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LV
Last year
00:03 6 Nov 16

Reply #606098

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth beat Illawarra last week?

Pretty sure I watched the Hawks get over the line?

Or are you talking tonight, where Perth beat a team missing two starters themselves?


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Dazz
Last year
00:27 6 Nov 16

Reply #606100

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Credit to the 6's for hanging in there and mounting a comeback.

And WTF is wrong with the Cats? Ok, so they lost Martin, but for the best defensive team in the league, surely they should be able to handle just a little of their own medicine?
(Or was it just the shock of the 6's actually playing D?)


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Train
Last year
00:30 6 Nov 16

Reply #606102

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

@LV - you do realise Perth were pretty much without Martin for a majority of the game(he played 12 mins) and Kenny.

Both teams were without key player due to injury.
Both teams got garbage calls during the game.

Tough loss for 36ers, they did well to get back in the game and I couldn't help but clap Randle, he was poetry in motion. Perth just keep finding ways to win.

This comp is tight this year....there is no "daylight" apart from 7th and the Hawks, but even that can change.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:36 6 Nov 16

Reply #606105

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I was hoping his hail mary at the end went in just so we could get another 5 minutes of drama.
Looking forward to watching the replay tomorrow, as much as anything to get another look at some of the reffing decisions, because there sure seemed like a lot of ordinary ones being dished out.

Arrogant play by the cats (IMO) very nearly bit us on the arse hard tonight.
The Randle Show was a beautiful thing. What an asset he has been for this league.


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Luuuc
Last year
00:42 6 Nov 16

Reply #606108

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Gleeson / JJ post-game press conference
https://audioboom.com/posts/5249363-perth-wildcats-106-def-adelaide-36ers-103


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Anonymous
Last year
00:43 6 Nov 16

Reply #606109

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Corrupt refs. Nearly a charge!!

There isn't a team in the universe I despise more than the Wildcats. Love to hate them, hate when we lose to them. Oh well, it was a great game. Knight was lucky as even Perf fans know deep down that was a bail out call.

Gleeson biggest flog since Redhage


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Luuuc
Last year
00:43 6 Nov 16

Reply #606110

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

"At the end they (Adelaide) had all the momentum .... they had everything go their way"
LOLWUT?


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Train
Last year
00:43 6 Nov 16

Reply #606111

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

@Luc - I dont think my nerves could handle another OT lol. Its been a crazy season so far, every home game has been a thriller.


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ROFLcopter
Last year
00:46 6 Nov 16

Reply #606112

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Gleeson is a flog


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Luuuc
Last year
00:46 6 Nov 16

Reply #606113

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

It's definitely best for the Cats that we didn't get OT! but when that shot went up, in that moment I just couldn't help hoping that it would drop.


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Train
Last year
00:48 6 Nov 16

Reply #606115

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

OT would of been very interesting though. Sobey and Drmic already fouled out and Hodgson and Randle on 4 PF's. Wroe on 4 for Perth.


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Train
Last year
00:49 6 Nov 16

Reply #606116

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

ROFLOGopter


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Luuuc
Last year
00:50 6 Nov 16

Reply #606117

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I actually thought that Randle picked up his 5th at some point too. Another thing I need to look out for when I watch the replay...


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Train
Last year
00:54 6 Nov 16

Reply #606118

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I'm pretty keen to look at some of those charge calls. The Randle/Martin one and the Knight/Randle one at the end look like total howlers live.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:56 6 Nov 16

Reply #606119

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Randle is ridiculous, was amazing to watch. Would have loved to see the battle between him and a fit Damo.

Refs were absolutely shocking, some of the worst I've seen. Will admit we probably got a bit lucky on the charge at the end, but it made up for so many ridiculous calls/non-calls during the game. I understand refs aren't always perfect, but I can't believe the amount of completely ridiculous decisions in that game.

Regardless of the reffing though we probably should have put the game away early and won comfortably, credit to Adelaide for coming back the way they did. Was also good to see Johnson play so well, hopefully he can keep improving each game from here.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:00 6 Nov 16

Reply #606120

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

@Luuuc I actually thought the same thing too during the last quarter. During the game I thought they didn't include his one of his fouls on the scoreboard, I could be wrong though. I remember thinking he was in serious foul trouble and only seeing him on 3 at the time.


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Dazz
Last year
01:22 6 Nov 16

Reply #606123

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

The refereeing was atrocious. Do they do it deliberately, or is it just subconscious thing??? Clearly favoured the 6's throughout the game, as they were getting pummelled, then became more even-handed as the game got closer, and then I suspect favoured the cats when they released they might actually have turned the game.

But still had to be almost physically dragged to the video review for that epically bogus call. Seriously, how the heck could not one of the refs see what everyone else did? That the ball clearly came off the 6's player? Don't think ANYONE was the slightest surprised when they overturned the call on review.


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Anonymous
Last year
01:35 6 Nov 16

Reply #606129

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

"The refereeing was atrocious. Do they do it deliberately, or is it just subconscious thing??? Clearly favoured the 6's throughout the game, as they were getting pummelled, then became more even-handed as the game got closer, and then I suspect favoured the cats when they released they might actually have turned the game."

that's how I felt watching too. Almost like they wanted to help Adelaide get back in the game to keep it interesting, then at the end when Randle took over and looked like he could win it on his own the refs went "oh **** we over did it" then gave Matty Knight the charge.


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Mike
Last year
01:38 6 Nov 16

Reply #606130

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

We truly are the Hawthorn of the NBL ;)


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koberulz
Last year
02:29 6 Nov 16

Reply #606135

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

But still had to be almost physically dragged to the video review for that epically bogus call. Seriously, how the heck could not one of the refs see what everyone else did?
Sobey being pushed in the back, you mean?

The backcourt violation on Wroe was the worst call I have ever seen in professional basketball.


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Anonymous
Last year
02:46 6 Nov 16

Reply #606138

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

ROFLcopter is a flog


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paul
Last year
03:33 6 Nov 16

Reply #606139

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Yep, the crosscourt was a howler, a ref reverting to old habits. The Knight charge call at the end was a bit the same, after the refs had called charge/block in favour of the offence all night he went back to the old way of favouring the guy who fell over!

Not to worry, amazing game, so many momentum shifts and big plays. Adelaide are doing a hell of a job with the players they have out.


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Green 53
Last year
09:00 6 Nov 16

Reply #606145

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

The shorter umpire of the 3 is useless. Makes the worst calls and then makes makeup calls. How the nbl and the new full timers/senior referee haven't taught this guy anything shows how poor the whole system is.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:46 6 Nov 16

Reply #606153

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

The refs were very chatty as well I noticed. Lots of warnings issued to both teams about their complaints. I heard one to Joey was "if you question my integrity again I'm going to tech you, you hear me?"

Was just a bit of a fiery atmosphere all around and I think it was getting to everyone. The sixers get pretty agro at each other as well I noticed, but I think in a good competitive way


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ROFLcopter
Last year
09:52 6 Nov 16

Reply #606158

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

The reffing was incredibly bad.
A shame given it was Saturday night, 12,000 people at Perth arena, a close game and a guy like Randle lighting it up. That was a real spectacle for the NBL and it was let down by bad calls.


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paul
Last year
09:54 6 Nov 16

Reply #606159

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

In reality, the bad calls just added to the drama of the game. It was the best spectacle of the year without a doubt. Great to watch.


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paul
Last year
10:01 6 Nov 16

Reply #606163

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Funny thing is, the reffing in Cairns was much much worse. The refs just let a heap of contact go and it turned into an ugly rugby game. Thankfully it was a tight contest.

In Perth, they called it clean and that allowed for a much more skilful game of basketball where offensive talent got to shine. That's unusual for a game in Perth.

It was unfortunate there were some very obvious errors - the crosscourt, the Knight charge and the three-pointer counting well after a foul occurred sticking in my memory - but I'd much prefer what happened in Perth over the display in Cairns.


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paul
Last year
10:01 6 Nov 16

Reply #606164

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Funny thing is, the reffing in Cairns was much much worse. The refs just let a heap of contact go and it turned into an ugly rugby game. Thankfully it was a tight contest.

In Perth, they called it clean and that allowed for a much more skilful game of basketball where offensive talent got to shine. That's unusual for a game in Perth.

It was unfortunate there were some very obvious errors - the crosscourt, the Knight charge and the three-pointer counting well after a foul occurred sticking in my memory - but I'd much prefer what happened in Perth over the display in Cairns.


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HoldenV8
Last year
10:09 6 Nov 16

Reply #606168

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Three things I learned watching last night's game.....

1. Randle is carrying the 36ers. Without him we'd be dead last.

2. We rely too much on DJ to get the boards. No DJ last night and Perth owned us there.

3. As good as Perth are, last night showed how much they rely on Damien Martin. When he got injured they looked lost and it was only dubious refereeing that saved them.

I wonder what Ken Cole would have said about that bogus charge call if he was coaching Adelaide??


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paul
Last year
10:18 6 Nov 16

Reply #606170

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

He would have asked the ref what he was smoking.


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Tempo
Last year
10:25 6 Nov 16

Reply #606174

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

36ers WASTED Randles effort last night.

That rebounding effort was dismal.

The concern is that they were much more motivated to collect offensive boards than defensive boards.

Why? Because that is all what this team is. Thats all they are interested in....scoring and couldnt give a rats about defending.

This team will finish dead last because there coach is the most delusional in the NBL


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ROFLcopter
Last year
10:27 6 Nov 16

Reply #606175

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

You might be forgetting DD!


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Anonymous
Last year
10:59 6 Nov 16

Reply #606176

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Of course Perth suffered without Martin. That's what happens when you lose a great player, particularly during the game. Even worse is there was no suitable replacement for him (Wroe did quite well but is still a rookie/DP).

I don't know any team in the league who would still be competitive with no decent point guard.


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snooch
Last year
11:03 6 Nov 16

Reply #606178

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I agree the officiating in the Cairns game was far far worse, but the officiating in this game ultimately meant Adelaide was robbed a legitimate chance to win.

Officials can't be making that blatant an error in such a defining moment of a game (notwithstanding the other horrible errors called against both teams throughout). It ruined the match and one of the all-time great individual offensive performances in recent memory.


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snooch
Last year
11:10 6 Nov 16

Reply #606179

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Trevor Gleeson: "It's the best (home court advantage) in the league, without a question The support... and they had a lot to cheer about with the threes and they had a lot to boo - with the (Adelaide) guys doing what they were doing - I can’t say too much.But I think they were well justified with their judgement with the booing."

So if you can't say too much, why say anything?? smh.

So what were the Adelaide players doing to deserve the booing, Randle in particular?


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Anonymous
Last year
11:19 6 Nov 16

Reply #606181

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Nothing, from where I was sitting. But home crowds always look for a villain and boo them to put them off their game. Obviously didn't work last night but will work nine times out of ten in Perth. Ervin, Hodge and Homicide were always targeted and they played some shockers in Perth in their careers.

To be honest, every time Randle silenced the boos, the people around me were actually applauding his play.


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Luuuc
Last year
11:28 6 Nov 16

Reply #606183

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

As was I. It was very half-hearted booing anyway. It's not like Randle even did anything wrong ... he just got a nice call from the ref. But it adds to the atmosphere in the Arena so it's all good. (in reality Randle seems like the type to be further spurred on by booing so I very much doubt it had any negative effect on him)
One thing I was thinking last night though is that the constant booing just might have been a factor in that "charge" that Knight took.

Either way it was all great theatre.

How costly was that Ferguson reaching foul on Knight just before half time. Instead of the clock likely running out, it ended up gifting the Wildcats 2 free throws and then this...




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snooch
Last year
11:33 6 Nov 16

Reply #606184

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

I don't disagree re. the booing. Sure it adds to the atmosphere and there's nothing wrong with it.

Just seems strange that Gleeson thought it needed to be brought up post-game insinuating the Adelaide players were doing something untoward and deserved to be booed when there was certainly no obvious nasty incident or anything.


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paul
Last year
11:34 6 Nov 16

Reply #606185

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

That was incredible, must have been deafening inside the stadium. Was a great game all up, full credit to Adelaide for sticking around like they did.


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Rat10
Last year
11:53 6 Nov 16

Reply #606186

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

That was a cracking game. Luckily I got to watch from right behind the Sixers bench. I can't help but think that atrocious charge call against Randle on Knight which virtually decided the game was a makeup call for the incorrect call earlier when Randle charged into Martin. But as KB said when I spoke to him after the game that was a terrible time in the game for a makeup call!

Really lucky to witness Randle's greatness in one of the most hostile venues in the country. After probably his best move in the 2nd qtr where he put on a dribbling exhibition and finished at the rim beautifully the Cats called a timeout. It was so awesome to see how pumped up Randle was after that move as he came to the bench.

Also just on that play where they reversed the out of bounds against Sobey in the last few minutes of the game that was a clear foul on JJ. That's the problem with going to the video. Refs will often not call fouls on the defensive player but make up for it by still giving possession to the player the ball came off. Problem is they can't do this anymore when you have video review.

Hard to get over that call on Randle. Still leaves such a bitter taste in the mouth when a great game is ruined by such homecooking.


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sixteisrockstar
Last year
14:09 6 Nov 16

Reply #606213

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

A pity that flop warnings are given out all the time, yet when a 120kg Knight goes flopping, you get nothing. The crowd and pressure totally got to the refs. Knight is a shoe in for defender of the year with moves like that.
Would have made the game what it deserved if Randle had gone to line for shots rather than ending it in a dodgy call.


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sixteisrockstar
Last year
14:13 6 Nov 16

Reply #606217

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

bloody Foxtel stuffing up with those replays right when Sixers hit the front


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Luuuc
Last year
14:15 6 Nov 16

Reply #606218

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Yeah they missed 2 crucial plays down the stretch while showing pointless replays. Bad stuff-up.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:32 6 Nov 16

Reply #606224

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Why did the game not deserve to finish with a dodgy call when a number of dodgy calls allowed Adelaide back in to the game?


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800
Last year
15:16 6 Nov 16

Reply #606243

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Yeah because dodgy calls can somehow be enough to bring a team back from a 16 point deficit at half time, the players playing hard has nothing to do with it. The refs were the ones shooting. Talk about stupidity.


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800
Last year
15:18 6 Nov 16

Reply #606246

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

"Dodgy calls allowed Adelaide back into the game"

So Randle hitting consecutive buckets had nothing to do with that? Should the buckets have not been counted because they're playing Perth in Perth?

No wonder he is an anonymous commenter....


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Anonymous
Last year
17:22 6 Nov 16

Reply #606318

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Yep dodgy calls let Adelaide back in.

Cross court (3pts next possession)
Charge when defender bit on a shot fake and jumped into the shooter
Sobey missed layup no contact from wagstaff
One of the countless off ball fouls and counting the three clearly after the whistle
Charge call against cats when your player was about as set as Knight.
No call when your big guy stepped under JJ going for a massive dunk (inside the no charge circle) also robbed us of a top 10 dunk easy!

I would say you were we well and truly brought back in the game, so get over one call that didn't go your way at the end.

It is clear your team doesn't need the help, what they need is to bring it all game, much like the cats really.


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Knight
Last year
17:27 6 Nov 16

Reply #606319

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

and the lowest IQ basketball fan and stupidest person on this entire website goes to the anonymous twat above who have never really watched a basketball game in his life. Go play some 2K buddy.

I'm a Perth fan and Adelaide EARNED their way back into the game, terrific. I love how you probably just re-watched the games and tried to find where you thought the refs got them into the game.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:39 6 Nov 16

Reply #606330

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Um if the dodgy calls that went Adelaide's way didn't happen, then the 16 point deficit they had to overcome could have been 20+


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Anonymous
Last year
17:40 6 Nov 16

Reply #606331

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

The calls definitely helped them get back in the game imo, but in saying that bad calls don't give you points on the scoreboard.

Even though a lot of the dodgy calls went their way (we did get lucky on the Knight charge, but we were on the wrong end of so many rubbish decisions), Adelaide still had to capitalise on the chances they got from it and that's exactly what they did. Randle was huge for them, they definitely played great towards the end and credit to them for that and making the game so close, but no doubt that those calls played a part in being able to get so close.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:42 6 Nov 16

Reply #606332

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Sixers fans.

Receive bad calls their way....Silence.

Get one bad call against them. Whine.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:53 6 Nov 16

Reply #606336

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Perth fans.

Question their arrogance and any calls against them. you're dead meat.


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snooch
Last year
17:53 6 Nov 16

Reply #606337

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

There were dodgy calls and non-calls against both teams throughout the game. Adelaide didn't get back into the game as a result of the calls going their way.

However, they were denied a chance to potentially win the game because of a dodgy call.


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Anonymous
Last year
17:55 6 Nov 16

Reply #606339

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Knight, please. Insulting someone without addressing a single point they make is a really poor effort, even for a forum, However not that unexpected.

For your information I am a level one qualified referee and comments are all from the live game, attending in person.

I never said Adelaide did not hit some excellent shots (Randle in particular) however the possessions that created those opportunities were questionable at best.

That last part may be difficult for someone with your clearly evident experience in all forms of basketball.

Who gets the credit in your notion of EARNED (nice touch with the caps too)? The referee for the "stop" or the team for taking advantage of the so called "stop"?

Because there is not one without the other.

Now i expect a response that:
-Addresses the question
-Doesn't involve capitals unless necessary
-Will demonstrate your high level of basketball acumen that I am severely lacking

Oh and just in case none of this registers, I am also a Perth fan, does announcing that make me right or unbiased? or maybe both?


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Anonymous
Last year
18:03 6 Nov 16

Reply #606341

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

What's the difference snooch? How does one dodgy call going Adelaides way (that may have resulted in a score) not cancel out the dodgy call that may have cost them a basket later in the game?


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Anonymous
Last year
18:19 6 Nov 16

Reply #606344

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

"There were dodgy calls and non-calls against both teams throughout the game. Adelaide didn't get back into the game as a result of the calls going their way.

However, they were denied a chance to potentially win the game because of a dodgy call."

They likely wouldn't have been in a position to win the game if some of the earlier dodgy calls didn't happen and cost the Cats points and opportunities. A dodgy call is a dodgy call no matter what time it happens and can cost a team a game. Whether its in the first 30sec or final 30sec it can still have a huge impact in a close game.

My opinion is yes the Knight all was probably dodgy, but it 'helped' to make up for so many earlier dodgy ones that nearly cost the cats the W.


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koberulz
Last year
18:36 6 Nov 16

Reply #606348

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Sobey missed layup no contact from wagstaff
To be fair, you can see why the ref was fooled; the laws of physics momentarily stopped functioning so Sobey could turn upside-down while still in the air.


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Anonymous
Last year
19:39 6 Nov 16

Reply #606382

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

No response from Knight? Not very courageous...


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sixteisrockstar
Last year
19:44 6 Nov 16

Reply #606385

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

All teams get dodgy calls. We all know the refs are going to make mistakes. I would just rather see the game play out all the way to the end rather than be finished early due to questionable decisions. If Knight was called for the block as he normally would be, Randle goes to the line for shots, Perth get possession and the fan walks away with "what a game" and the product delivers something we know it can.


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paul
Last year
19:45 6 Nov 16

Reply #606386

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

The side-on angle shows there was contact between Sobey and Wagstaff. Some would say Sobey initiated it and didn't deserve a call, but the reality is Wagstaff didn't have legal defensive position and there was contact with the shooter.

For the life of me I don't know why Sobey didn't just cram it on his head though!


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koberulz
Last year
19:52 6 Nov 16

Reply #606392

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Was expecting the same.

You could tell just from the way Sobey's body moved that there was contact. He couldn't possibly have rotated that way without it.

You also can't possibly argue he initiated it in a universe where Tomlinson got an and-1 for elbowing Rotnei Clarke in the back today.


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paul
Last year
19:54 6 Nov 16

Reply #606396

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Haha, true!


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Anonymous
Last year
19:55 6 Nov 16

Reply #606398

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

All teams get dodgy calls. We all know the refs are going to make mistakes. I would just rather see the game play out all the way to the end rather than be finished early due to questionable decisions. If Knight was called for the block as he normally would be, Randle goes to the line for shots, Perth get possession and the fan walks away with "what a game" and the product delivers something we know it can.

Yep agree, but if Adelaide doesn't score 3 pts from that cross court call then the game could play out because Adelaide would still be trailing, as they probably should have been . A bad call is a bad call, focusing on one to ignore multiple is not the solution and does not leave people going what a game.

Even the United hawks game, United down at the half get 6 straight calls. It is so obvious that refs are trying to bring teams back to make for "better" viewing, the reality is the game will ebb and flow naturally and likely even out without interference, because as identified above the overcorrection is a bad way to finish.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:28 7 Nov 16

Reply #606505

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

Anon #339

So seeing as your a qualified level 1 referee (what a massive achievement I might add) surely you should be able to produce a better job out on the court compared to the performance by the appointed crew. The boys obviously had a bad game, but 2 of the 3 are level 5 FIBA and the other a level 4. Slightly higher than your cute badge.

Id be pretty confident it would be running down your leg if you were out on that court... why do referees always eat their own?


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Nonanon
Last year
10:01 7 Nov 16

Reply #606506

re: Perth v Adelaide 5/11

"why do referees always eat their own?"

"So seeing as your a qualified level 1 referee (what a massive achievement I might add"

"Slightly higher than your cute badge. "

"Id be pretty confident it would be running down your leg"

Yes, why do they eat their own?


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