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Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Melbourne United's injury crisis hit rock bottom this week.

Despite Melbourne’s best attempts to succeed short-handed in Adelaide on Thursday night, it has been the off-court drama surrounding NBL rules and regulations which has come into question.

Social media has been buzzing.

Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

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AC
Last month
08:45 14 Jan 17

Reply #618364

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Not even in a parallel universe did or would Benny Lewis impact any game in this league.

Perhaps everyone would prefer Melbourne turned up with an undermanned and short team just make the league look a little more ridiculous.


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snooch
Last month
09:06 14 Jan 17

Reply #618365

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Dodgy as hell, but not surprising.


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Anonymous
Last month
09:47 14 Jan 17

Reply #618368

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I read Joey's cheat words yesterday and at that stage no mention was made of this debacle.
The reality is that despite all of LK's cash injection the NBL still invents the rules to suit as they have always done.
It will be interesting to see what the NBL does about Joey calling their rule inventions CHEATING.


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Anon
Last month
09:48 14 Jan 17

Reply #618369

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

just the normal faking crap and making it up as you go along for so many aspects of this club and team.. With so many injuries as a club I would be looking at why that is occurring... Ankles 'why aren't they strappng?' And what is contributing to it all... Nutrition, recovery, gym, courts....... Etc...


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Anon
Last month
09:50 14 Jan 17

Reply #618370

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

As usual the new NBL has so many grey areas just like the salary issues not being released and vague rulings, no wonder the reffing is so bad.... Don't tell anyone anything attitude.... Is the organisation run by a bunch of lawyers ?????


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Anon
Last month
09:54 14 Jan 17

Reply #618372

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Go back the last few years and look at precedents. Joey has had the same injury woes in years past as had other coaches and the all had to have their replacements players ready for last 8 games sitting on the bench suited up and hit the court even if for a few seconds. There were issues for teams trying to get working visas through as well... So thinking this is why they are mentioning words like dodgy and cheating as they know the process first hand...joey is the only ne with the guts to say it though others are likely thinking it...


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Anon
Last month
10:02 14 Jan 17

Reply #618373

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

To make finals that is


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Anonymous
Last month
10:09 14 Jan 17

Reply #618374

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

What's the story about here? So if the rule is 25 per cent, then Melbourne have 7 games left and they're ok.

Not sure what Joey is on about.


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Anonymous
Last month
10:11 14 Jan 17

Reply #618376

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Giving teams special dispensation for replacement players when they are ravaged by injury is nothing new or unusual in sports.

There are rules for it in the NBA, and more famously, rules to help Essendon field a squad when their team was decimated by drug-related suspensions.

It's not like Melbourne were allowed 4 imports, if anything Bennie Lewis playing may even help the opposition! :P


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Anonymous
Last month
10:19 14 Jan 17

Reply #618378

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

This is the same Joey Wright that coached the Eddy Groves Bullets team? Yeah poor guy, always being screwed over by other cheating clubs!


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KET
Last month
11:07 14 Jan 17

Reply #618380

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

When it comes to rules, inconsistency and doing things on the fly the NBL has always been a joke.

A strong framework consistently applied is important.

With that said, it's clear the NBL is in a transition phase under LK and part of that does include a fair bit of flexibility and adapting to situations while that strong framework is being created.

I don't think this is a situation where Melbourne have been naughty - the idea of special dispensation is like the "exceptional circumstance" clause of anything to avoid absurdity.

If you've got a club which can't field a 10 player side due to injury, it's a fair call to allow injury replacement. Really, that is an exceptional circumstance.

Plus with 7 games left, I don't think it's in the interest of the league to deprive Melbourne of injury replacements - I don't see it as an anti-competitive use of a loophole.


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koberulz
Last month
11:21 14 Jan 17

Reply #618381

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Injury replacements have always been allowed to return if there's a season ending injury.


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Anonymous
Last month
11:25 14 Jan 17

Reply #618382

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Wright should be reprimanded for his tweet. That is very unprofessional for a league coach.


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Luuuc
Last month
11:28 14 Jan 17

Reply #618384

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Yes he should be slapped with moderate force on the wrist and fined $3.50


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Captain Jack
Last month
11:37 14 Jan 17

Reply #618385

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

To me the rules just need to be simplified

Allow injury replacements to fill in for any injury, ala Bennie Lewis can fill in for anyone injured on the Melbourne roster

Make it so all players have to be on the squad for a set number of games, i.e 7 and get rid of all the other rules and complications, review the number each off season and announce it before the season starts, this is more important for imports i suppose or top notch aussies who may finnish a gig elsewhere

Or even have a date ie. 10th of January, where teams typically will have 7-10 games left and say after this date only DP's and already registered injury replacements can fill in for injuries.

Much simpler to understand and less room for manipulation.

Personally i have no problems with what melbourne have done replacing Moore, they have 7 games left, and he seems to have a similar level resume, so it seems like a genuine injury replacement, they havnt just faked an injury to get a NBA/Euroleague level import in for the run home.


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Captain Jack
Last month
11:40 14 Jan 17

Reply #618386

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

The NBL could even have a list of injury replacement players such as Bennie Lewis, Lucas Walker (fringe NBL players), SEABL players with 0/little NBL experience (could even allow SEABL imports like Jackson and Kendle types to be on this list), that can be called upon at anytime to fill in, even if a injury happens after the 7 game mark, to allow a club to fill a full sqaud.

This limits manipulation of the rules


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Anonymous
Last month
11:59 14 Jan 17

Reply #618388

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

"and he seems to have a similar level resume,"

If we start needing to look at how good the replacement is vs the replaced, then we're already down the slippery slope.

It either breaks the rules or it doesn't. In this case it doesn't.


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Anonymous
Last month
12:58 14 Jan 17

Reply #618389

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Comments like that from Wright make me scratch my head even more as to how he's managed to coach that Sixers team to the top.


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LV
Last month
13:19 14 Jan 17

Reply #618393

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Nothing to report here, no rules were broken.

Wright should spend less time on social media, I would've thought he'd have learnt his lesson after the Kickert incident? Pull your head in Joey.

As the coach of the highest-paid-and-most-dodgy team in NBL history led by Eddie Groves, Wright should perhaps be more consistent in his own thinking before accusing others of inconsistencies!


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paul
Last month
13:58 14 Jan 17

Reply #618398

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

What lesson LV? Since the Kickert incident his team has won 11 of 12 games.


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Mystro
Last month
14:26 14 Jan 17

Reply #618404

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Sounds pretty dodgy. I bet the other clubs share Joey Wrights opinion and I wonder if Melbourne make the Finals what the NBL's statement would be?

NZ had to release Tueta when Ili came back from injury and boy would he have been handy to have now


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Anonymous
Last month
14:31 14 Jan 17

Reply #618405

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Well Bennie Lewis was available for anyone who wanted him when Barlow came back. No one did (surprised?), and he was still around when they were decimated by injury and asked for a special exemption.

Much ado about nothing by PnR.


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KET
Last month
14:36 14 Jan 17

Reply #618406

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

What is it with Twitter wars and winning? First Trump....now the 36ers


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Dazz
Last month
14:51 14 Jan 17

Reply #618407

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Meh. The wording of the rules is a bit silly. To qualify for the finals you must suit up for 25%, ie 7 games, but the way the other rule is written if you have ONLY 25% left you can't be added.
So obviously you need to get him registered before that 21st game, which is what MU supposedly did.
So what's the issue?
For mine, that's not a loophole, almost the opposite. He'll qualify for final if he plays in the last 7 games, but he had to be registered before the last 8. If MU complied, what's the problem?

As for bringing back an injury replacement, firstly the prohibition on re-adding a previous player to the list is a dubious rule, and secondly there has always been an exemption for season-ending injuries, which MU has in abundance.

Not sure what the story is here?


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Anonymous
Last month
15:31 14 Jan 17

Reply #618416

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Maybe the issue is, how do we know they complied? How can it be verified? What is the normal process for registering a player? When does the league have to sign off on a registered player, and how did United get the new import registered on Thursday but wait until Friday afternoon to make the signing announcement? That seems a little bit backwards.


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koberulz
Last month
15:40 14 Jan 17

Reply #618417

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Media announcements are rarely made the same time the contracts are actually signed.


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Anonymous
Last month
15:45 14 Jan 17

Reply #618420

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Did I say anything about a contract?


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Anonymous
Last month
15:51 14 Jan 17

Reply #618422

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

How do we know Joey was talking about the United?

No rules were broke, whats the problem.


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Dazz
Last month
16:05 14 Jan 17

Reply #618427

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

How do we know they complied?
How do we know anybody complied?

Any nong can make up allegations, if you want to allege wrongdoing the onus is on you to provide proof, not on them to prove their innocence.

And how is it backwards.
Obviously MU know the rules and would have concentrated on getting his registration in before the deadline.
They'd look a bit bloody stupid if they did it the other way around, announced his signing on Thursday, then tried to register a day late.


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Anonymous
Last month
16:19 14 Jan 17

Reply #618431

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

ISn't it more about interpretations being about rounds vs no of games along with the notification of a player being listed within the number of games and them not even being in the country or cleared with visas as has been a problem in the past as Joey would have experienced with previous season replacements trying to get them signed, cleared and on the bench in time for finals. Sure other coaches too would be questioning it all... I have wondered about some replacements seem to be instantly in and being sourced prior to injury. Thinking about Stockton and he was supposed to be out wiht ongoing back injury and being replaced, then watched a game and there was Stockton.. ??? weird


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Big Ads
Last month
16:41 14 Jan 17

Reply #618438

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Meanwhile, Gibson is probably gone for season with calf injury. How about those Bullets and their injuries. LK curse.


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Anonymous
Last month
16:43 14 Jan 17

Reply #618440

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Gibbo has been around a while now so up for wear and tear injuries. Doesn't seem to be a fit athletic team either so wonder about their strength, conditioning and recovery programs.


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LV
Last month
22:25 14 Jan 17

Reply #618538

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Paul, the lesson that the basketball community is starting to realise what a wanker he is


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Dazz
Last month
00:27 15 Jan 17

Reply #618618

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

No, the rules are simple, if a bit nonsensical.
A player must play 25% (ie 7 games) to qualify for the finals.
HOWEVER he can only be registered if the team has played LESS than 75%.
So, provided he plays games 22-28, he will qualify for finals, BUT he must be registered before game 21.

So there's a misalignment there, but there's nothing nefarious in MU making sure they comply, by registering him prior to game 21, even though he might not even be in the country.


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paul
Last month
00:37 15 Jan 17

Reply #618620

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

I don't think Joey cares about that LV.

As for Melbourne's injuries, while losing Goulding and Blanchfield for a few games has hurt, and Moore's absence probably will too, losing Williams and Andersen has made them a better team with Boone as back-up C and Barlow spreading the floor as PF.


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LV
Last month
01:05 15 Jan 17

Reply #618631

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Yeah it will be interesting seeing how Andersen fits back in. Barlow has changed the look, and is playing well enough defensively such that they don't seem to be missing DA.


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LV
Last month
01:11 15 Jan 17

Reply #618635

re: Melbourne’s injury crisis creates off-court drama

Oh and it does remain a mystery why DD seems to prefer Adnam over Tomlinson...


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Anonymous
Last month
12:17 15 Jan 17

Reply #618696

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Adnam in that side is a joke.


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Europa 95
Last month
19:27 15 Jan 17

Reply #618792

Standard of Refereeing in NBL

What other sport allows Coaches to communicate constantly with certain coaches and players continually approach a referee during the course of a game, as well as players handling the referee? (In any other sport a serious offence)
Certain referees (one a full time referee)spend to much time listening and getting into a discussion with these vocal coaches continually throughout the course of a game, obviously over previous infringements or decisions as can be seen from the gesturing and hand signals. Surely there is a time and place where a coach can raise his concerns of rule interpretation and application, and during the course of a game is not that place.
Nothing has changed with inconsistent and poor refereeing even though the administration of the referee panel has changed hands numerous times over recent years. Inconsistent application of rules swings wildly over the course of a season and there seems to be an emphasis on certain infringements from week to week. Earlier in the season it was flopping now it is travelling. Very rarely is flopping called now yet players are again blatantly flopping in an effort to draw a foul. Call all the fouls, both ways as not all fouls are caused by the defensive player. Travelling was once very seldom called but lately is being called quite consistently during the course of a game, but too frequently the call is incorrect and travelling did not occur.
Isn't it about time that the referees are judged on their interpretation and administration of those rules in a consistent manner and if they can not then they should be sent back to a lower grade. This is professional sport and should be run as such both on and off court.


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