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Anonymous
Two months ago

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Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Just lost this game playing experimental lineups (which they are within their right to do). Will they now complete the tank job to get Cairns into the post season? You would have to say as a Sixers fan you'd prefer Cairns in there at the expense of a Perth, Melbourne or Sydney.

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skull
Two months ago
21:23 9 Feb 17

Reply #623628

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Good luck with that....


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Johnson
Two months ago
21:46 9 Feb 17

Reply #623631

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

You could see that coming(Adelaide tanking)and i don't think they will tank in front of home fans and last game before finals or it could be dangerous.They should be wanting to go into the finals with a win.


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Freethrows
Two months ago
22:27 9 Feb 17

Reply #623637

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

If Cairns beat Adelaide on Saturday, Cairns will most likely finish second. How does that help Adelaide in the finals?


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LV
Two months ago
22:48 9 Feb 17

Reply #623642

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

It would mean that if Adelaide won their semi they might play Cairns in the GF- a team they've comfortably beaten twice in games where they've been trying to win.

Nothing is ever provable in situations like this, but I'm suspicious.


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LV
Two months ago
22:49 9 Feb 17

Reply #623644

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

(And I was already suspicious before this game. Which is the main reason I put a few multi bets on this round involving Cairns winning one or both games. And why I put a bet on Cairns to make the playoffs at $5 a couple of weeks ago. So far, so good).


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Anonymous
Two months ago
22:51 9 Feb 17

Reply #623645

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

I'm a Perth fan, and I even though I don't care if he would deliberately tank to keep Perth out, I don't think he is.


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XY
Two months ago
22:57 9 Feb 17

Reply #623648

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

The Sixers were definitely trying to win. They were just trying to do so with the clutch lineup down the stretch of Doyle, Teys, Drmic, Deng and Hodgson.


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orbit
Two months ago
23:27 9 Feb 17

Reply #623654

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

If that was tanking it was magnificent. Great coaching by Joey, not risking his guns down the stretch but the full court pressure in the 3rd almost had us!
We had to produce some big plays & shots down the stretch!
We might have been on the better side of some 50/50 calls also....
Great game


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Luuuc
Two months ago
23:28 9 Feb 17

Reply #623655

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

I doubt Adelaide gives a stuff what happens to the other teams. They've earned the right to use these last games to manage minutes and play around with combinations & tactics.


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cats 4 life
Two months ago
00:06 10 Feb 17

Reply #623659

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

If you're good enough, you will make it. When you relying on other team's, you are up shit creek. Perth have blown leads all season, Sydney just went to sleep after a great start, United played out of sorts + injuries don't help, cairns had a tough draw to start and have done well also nz had a shit run with injuries.

You like to rest players, it happens all the time and when you have to play sometimes you can't get back in the groove as quickly as you want.

Hate to say it but I enjoy watching them play this season, Randle is in a different league, deserving map! Sobey been awesome and great role players doing what they are meant to do.


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cats 4 life
Two months ago
00:08 10 Feb 17

Reply #623660

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

^^^ mvp


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Anonymous
Two months ago
00:16 10 Feb 17

Reply #623662

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

speaking of Randle as MVP... does anyone think he won't win? Obviously he is the deserving MVP and the bookies now have him at an unbackable $1.01. But I keep getting this feeling due to the way the system work that it might be similar to when Clarke/Conklin have won where players who helped carry their teams a bit more won. Has me thinking a Prather, Lisch, Craig, Clarke could win it.


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Luuuc
Two months ago
00:18 10 Feb 17

Reply #623663

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Nah, I really don't see that happening.
Wouldn't surprise me if Prather is leading at the half way mark of the season, but he dropped off after that. Lisch had Newley taking a lot of votes off him at the start of the season. Clarke had a very slow start to the season.
I could see Craig getting runner up, but I really don't see how anyone could get near Randle even under the current crappy system.


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Btown
Two months ago
00:19 10 Feb 17

Reply #623664

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

i don't think tanking exists outside of draft reasons. Winners go out to win.


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Luuuc
Two months ago
00:37 10 Feb 17

Reply #623666

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

In theory a team could lose on purpose to help a team into the playoffs, thereby keeping another "better" team out.
Unlikely at the best of times that the clear #1 team would ever doubt themselves enough to do that. Even unlikelier this season with playoff picture still so unclear.


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Anon
Two months ago
00:40 10 Feb 17

Reply #623667

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Good enough for Lemanis Boomers ! LOL


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Very Old
Two months ago
01:08 10 Feb 17

Reply #623670

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

And for Italy


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FM
Two months ago
07:35 10 Feb 17

Reply #623678

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

No other side has played predominately their bench for the last quarter in order to win a game. That was great team training yesterday, we get into foul trouble, have injuries etc. we KNOW we can play 10 deep and not really lose anything.

Could this cost us if Cairns comes 2nd? Who ever plays Cairns in the semi's could essentially rest their first 5.


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Loco
Two months ago
09:07 10 Feb 17

Reply #623683

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

I wouldn't call that tanking. That's resting key / veteran players in preparing for the finals.

Why go balls to the wall for no upside?


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Haz
Two months ago
09:45 10 Feb 17

Reply #623686

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

While im not a fan of this concept, Sixers had the luxury of resting their players. Any other team in their position would have done the same thing. Perth did it last year against Sydney as did Melbourne against NZ. Im sure if they ended up winning last night with the lineup they played, they'd still be more than happy as it keeps them in form.

Its their reward for finishing on top of the ladder by a fair margin. Whether it comes unstuck on them in the playoffs will remain to be seen.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
09:48 10 Feb 17

Reply #623688

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

I think they've done it in the right way too. They didn't completely rest the guys, like Melbourne last year. They just limited their minutes, like Perth did against Adelaide in 2014. Both resulted in losses but I would suggest that United completely threw their form out the window.


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GordonG
Two months ago
09:52 10 Feb 17

Reply #623691

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Tanking doesn't work. Crocs (allegedly - but we all know...) did it a few years ago to force us into a playoff scenario against them. We wiped the floor with them 2 - 0.


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Vic Wildcat
Two months ago
09:53 10 Feb 17

Reply #623692

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Good on them, they have earnt a guaranteed finals spot, why not do what is best for your team.



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serballin
Two months ago
10:24 10 Feb 17

Reply #623694

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Coming into Round 19 I thought the most likely scenario was Cairns winning game 1 of the split and losing game 2. Still think that's the case after watching last night's game. I've always had a soft spot for Cairns and they deserved last night's win, but in the return leg Adelaide will have a point to prove and will come out firing.


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Tiger
Two months ago
11:45 10 Feb 17

Reply #623705

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Thanks Joey.


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J
Two months ago
11:46 10 Feb 17

Reply #623706

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Adelaide will want a win before finals


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Anonymous
Two months ago
11:48 10 Feb 17

Reply #623707

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Joey will want a whinge before finals


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Isaac
Two months ago
12:04 10 Feb 17

Reply #623713

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Good chance to throw the bench in the deep end before things get more hectic. I don't think they did too badly either. Some poor shot options, but barely lost and guys like Deng and Doyle will be better for the minutes.


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Freethrows
Two months ago
12:56 10 Feb 17

Reply #623723

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Great move by Joey Wright. It wasn't an important game to win, and he got to put hsi second unit on the floor in a real pressure cooker situation. Adelaide have come out as well form last night's loss as any team that's ever lost a basketball game.

We (Taipans) will have to play out of our skins to get a W on Saturday, and Joey has the luxury of using Johnson in the 4th Q, leaving Sobey on beyond the third minute of the 4th, and/or using Randle for more than 11:11 if he wants a win.

I hate to say it, but I think Adelaide are in a great position to win it all, going into the finals, because they are cruising in without stress as a team, while individual players who might need the stress of big game situations have played in those conditions.

Other teams are all scrambling to even make the play-offs, and that wears on you physically and mentally.

Did Adelaide tank? No. I think they played to win, whereas tanking is playing to lose. Could they have gone harder to get the win? Yes. Maybe it comes down to your definition of tanking.

Is it important for them to win on Saturday? Yes. Unfortunately, I think they will. By about 15.


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Chairman Of The Bored
Two months ago
13:15 10 Feb 17

Reply #623729

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

How can you tank in order to get a desired opponent in this league when pretty much the entire final 4 will be determined by multiple last-round results?


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cats 4 life
Two months ago
16:50 10 Feb 17

Reply #623781

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

That is tanking, to win you play your best players. Not questioning the situation but if you talking about tanking that was it. If you try to win the best players play. Plain and simple.

Do you blame them no! People pay money to see the best players play on any comp, I personally don't like it even in afl or any sport, teams and competitions need the teams to be playing to win.

Randle might be doing warm ups and his hammi will go, injuries can happen any where any time. I'm not saying anything is wrong what Joey did, I'll do the same but people pay and the casual fan last night wanting to see is cairns good enough to make it instead of here beat the bench and you are good enough.


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Dazz
Two months ago
17:17 10 Feb 17

Reply #623793

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Did Adelaide tank? No. I think they played to win, whereas tanking is playing to lose. Could they have gone harder to get the win? Yes. Maybe it comes down to your definition of tanking.
You're joking right?

I've no problem with Joey giving minutes to his scrubs, its a worthwhile idea.
However, in the dying minutes, with the game tied up and a win on the line, Joey deliberately put his worst players on the court.
That is NOT "playing to win".
In a Basketball context, that is most definitely TANKING.

Was he "entitled" to tank?
Interesting philosophical discussion..

WHY did he tank?
Don't know.
At this point, my best GUESS, is that he plans to kick their arse tomorrow and go into the finals on a high, but would still prefer Cairns in the finals over maybe MU or Perth.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
17:20 10 Feb 17

Reply #623794

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

"WHY did he tank?
Don't know."

To rest his star players and give the bench guys a run. How many times does this need to be said to you?


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Anonymous
Two months ago
17:29 10 Feb 17

Reply #623796

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Dazz the definition of tanking:
"Match fixing, more specifically when a competitor deliberately loses without gambling being involved"

The 36ers clearly did not deliberately lose.

They managed their big minute players to ensure they didn't risk injury or fatigue. AFL clubs do this all the times in the lead up to Finals.


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Master Chief
Two months ago
17:55 10 Feb 17

Reply #623802

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Adelaide have looked in control at various points of their last three losses. It's just been that extra determination from the opposition that's been the difference. Against NZ, Adelaide were a bit lazy in those closing minutes and the opposition has just been more desperate.

Adelaide still look good though. I think this is a better team than the one in Joey's first year.


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J
Two months ago
19:27 10 Feb 17

Reply #623853

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

If u was adelaide I'd prefer perth than nz. Perth unfortunately has been all over the place. Nz I think is more likely to get and stay hot


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Anonymous
Two months ago
19:32 10 Feb 17

Reply #623855

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

If u was


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Dazz
Two months ago
01:22 11 Feb 17

Reply #624040

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

The 36ers clearly did not deliberately lose.

They managed their big minute players to ensure they didn't risk injury
So, another clueless twat who didn't even watch the game.
Jump on to NBL TV, and have a look at the replay. In fact I'll save you some time, just watch the last minute or so.
Game was there to be won, Joey put his worst players on the court.
ie he lost deliberately.
Never mind that he pretty much sandbagged the whole game, simple fact is that when the game was there to be won, he made no attempt to do so.

Only way it could have been more blatant, is if he instructed his players to start shooting for the other basket.


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Dazz
Two months ago
01:36 11 Feb 17

Reply #624043

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

WHY did he tank?
Don't know.
Since you can't seem to comprehend even the basics, allow me to explain...

I don't know why Oswald (or the CIA or the Cubans) shot Kennedy. That doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't know SPECIFICALLY who Joey was most afraid off, nor did I want to take up the space with 32 different scenarios.

But if we follow the most likely, the outcome of Joey's Tanking is this:
As the OP posits, Joey has guaranteed a Cairns a place in the finals.
MU cannot possibly make the finals.
Perth have a tough road to make it.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
01:39 11 Feb 17

Reply #624046

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

He didn't tank anyway


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koberulz
Two months ago
02:25 11 Feb 17

Reply #624055

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Jump on to NBL TV, and have a look at the replay. In fact I'll save you some time, just watch the last minute or so.
Game was there to be won, Joey put his worst players on the court.
ie he lost deliberately.
No, he just didn't care whether he won or lost. There's an important difference.

I don't know why you insist he's trying to manipulate anything. The bench got important minutes, and the starters got to rest and prepare for the playoffs. Nothing sinister is going on here.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
10:22 11 Feb 17

Reply #624088

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

I hope adelaide get swept in the first round. Have not been the form team tanking or not. You cant just turn it on and off like a switch.


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Anon
Two months ago
10:27 11 Feb 17

Reply #624090

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Appatently other trams can tirn it on and iff and they still didn't make finals..


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Anonymous
Two months ago
12:15 11 Feb 17

Reply #624112

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

So many experts. Adelaide have earned the right to win or lose as they choose and do it in which ever way they decide. Form is a slippery slope. United looked beastmode in Sydney and then at home against the Hawks for duck all result after nz butch slapped them. Adelaide will be ready come finals and all the experts will have to find other areas to attack besides the 'form leading in' factor.


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Anonymous
Two months ago
12:37 11 Feb 17

Reply #624117

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Watch them be swept away....


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ROFLcopter
Two months ago
13:15 11 Feb 17

Reply #624129

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

This season is far too unpredictable to automatically assume Adelaide are going to win a final....let alone 5 to win a championship.

IMHFO, them being swept out in the semis is just as likely as them doing the sweeping.

Will be interesting to see if Sobey has any composure in the big games or if he goes to water like CG43 has done on every single occasion.

Without Sobey, Randle & DJ firing, the 6ers haven't a prayers chance in hell.


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Dazz
Two months ago
21:08 11 Feb 17

Reply #624272

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Well its official, Joey shall henceforth be known simply as "Tank."

I still think they'll win the lot, and deservedly so.
But I will shit myself laughing if Karma bite him n the arse.


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Bear
Two months ago
21:15 11 Feb 17

Reply #624274

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Anon, do you have fat fingers or have you been drinking a bit too much there, old bud?


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Anonymous
Two months ago
21:15 11 Feb 17

Reply #624276

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

No, Joey shall henceforth be known as
3 time NBL Coach of the Year, Joey Wright


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Bear
Two months ago
21:18 11 Feb 17

Reply #624279

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

@ROFLcopter, since praying has never been proven to work and there is no evidence of hell either, in biblical terms anyway, I guess they are cooked then...


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Anonymous
Two months ago
21:22 11 Feb 17

Reply #624283

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

they've got a snowflake's chance in a unicorn


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Bear
Two months ago
21:26 11 Feb 17

Reply #624284

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

So, by your reckoning, it's 50/50 anon^?


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Anonymous
Two months ago
21:36 11 Feb 17

Reply #624290

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

Sixers tanking no. Sixers have the worst form going into the finals and after tonight we see that to be true. Best part about all the permutations is that the Wildcats miss out.


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Dazz
Two months ago
20:46 14 Feb 17

Reply #625307

re: Adelaide tanking to get Cairns into the playoffs?

So, just to finish off, I thought it would be interesting to run a final what if. (Included here, rather than start another thread.)

So, what if Adelaide had finished with 4 wins:
Perth finish clear 2nd, and lets be honest, make it to the GF.
Hawks finish 3rd.
MU finishes 4th.
(Guess Tank won't be on DD's Christmas Card list.)

3 wins (lost to the Hawks.)
Perth 2nd
Hawks 3rd
MU 4th
so no change.

2 wins (losses to Hawks & NZ)
NZ pushes out MU

1 win
Cairns edges out NZ.


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