Anonymous
Last year

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NH: Don Burke

By now you may have heard of the Don Burke scandal. Several women are accusing him of sexual harassment.

My question is, it seems everyone has declared the allegations to be true and are condemning him. He has denied the allegations. Should he get the benefit of the doubt? Don't get me wrong, if you asked me to make a guess, I would guess him to be guilty - but it would be that - an educated guess. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

At the moment it is one man's word against the word of others. Is this a fair approach and if so, when did this become the way to do it?

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koberulz
Last year
03:19 30 Nov 17

Reply #659674

re: NH: Don Burke

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Is he in jail?


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paul
Last year
05:51 30 Nov 17

Reply #659676

re: NH: Don Burke

I think Bill Shorten's call to strip him of honours was just silly until he is actually found guilty, but the fact he has so many accusers means the court of public opinion is going to be very heavily against him.


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proud
Last year
06:44 30 Nov 17

Reply #659680

re: NH: Don Burke

Being a basketball related site, do we want to know if someone (using the timeframe of Don Burke) was accused of doing the same things in say an Opals camp or even an NBL or WNBL team?

The timeline I use is one that very few people are still left in the NBL that were seen in the 80s and 90s so would trying to ruin a reputation of someone we haven't heard of or since the last millennium. Would we care?


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TokotoRulz
Last year
09:20 30 Nov 17

Reply #659692

re: NH: Don Burke

It's been a quite entertaining saga.

The memes are starting to come through now as well.

The old clips filled with sexual inuendo are hilarious as well.

This has been one of the more entertaining scandles for sure.


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Luuuc
Last year
09:54 30 Nov 17

Reply #659695

re: NH: Don Burke

"Should he get the benefit of the doubt?"

When it's a case of his word vs theirs, and theirs includes 50 people, then he should absolutely not get the benefit of the doubt.
Sure, legally his guilt still needs to be established properly, but it's pretty obvious what the truth is. Even his own side of the story makes him look like a creep!


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Zodiac
Last year
10:48 30 Nov 17

Reply #659702

re: NH: Don Burke

He is in no way entitled to the benefit of the doubt. This is not a he said she said case. There are a significant number of women who have now had the courage to come forward about Don Burke's appalling behaviour towards them. His interview with Tracy Grimshaw was his opportunity to at least acknowledge and apologise but he went down the arse covering PR route instead.

I remember similar comments about going easy on Robert 'Hey Dad' Hughes just because like Burke we all grew up with them on TV. People will excuse a lot when it's a celebrity, look at everything they get away with. The courts will decide his fate but I think it's safe to say he's in a world of trouble now and it was all of his own making.


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Isaac
Last year
10:57 30 Nov 17

Reply #659703

re: NH: Don Burke

It's likely that you've only heard about it because he has been a public figure in the past - he's traded off a public image. And now, this is not a legal case, but a public case: that public image is getting dismantled in the same place it was built up.

Shame the media executives kept putting money first and dodging responsibility when they first heard about it.


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Jack Toft
Last year
11:09 30 Nov 17

Reply #659704

re: NH: Don Burke

Regardless of what the Court of Public Opinion thinks, the Australian legal system is based on the basis that a person is innocent until proven guilty. In the case of criminal charges, this guilt must be proven and it is seen that it is better that a guilty man walks free than an innocent one goes to jail.

In civil matters, the onus of proof is a little different.

So far, I do not believe he has been actually charged with anything (?), but the static surrounding him is mounting and certainly attracting attention from authorities. Should they receive a complaint, then it will need to be investigated, then if there is sufficient evidence to pursue a prosecution they will commence proceedings. And of course, it then needs to be recorded as a conviction of some description.

Until then, although the discussions make him sound like the perverted uncle from hell at an underage teenage girls pool party, he is in fact entitled to the presumption of innocence.


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AshT
Last year
11:45 30 Nov 17

Reply #659707

re: NH: Don Burke

Fiona Barnett came out about a year ago with claims of an absolute hornets nest (being swept under carpet). You can Google & Youtube the details, wherby she comes out with names.


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LoveBroker
Last year
15:11 30 Nov 17

Reply #659722

re: NH: Don Burke

Don Burke is most certainly entitled to presumption of innocence until proven guilty by a court of law, this is afforded to all Australians not just the ones we don't like.




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Anonymous
Last year
16:41 30 Nov 17

Reply #659727

re: NH: Don Burke

Do you think he's innocent?


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koberulz
Last year
17:02 30 Nov 17

Reply #659728

re: NH: Don Burke

Until then, although the discussions make him sound like the perverted uncle from hell at an underage teenage girls pool party, he is in fact entitled to the presumption of innocence.
Don Burke is most certainly entitled to presumption of innocence until proven guilty by a court of law, this is afforded to all Australians not just the ones we don't like.
I repeat my earlier question: is he in jail?


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Yinka Dare
Last year
17:58 30 Nov 17

Reply #659736

re: NH: Don Burke

Guilty doesn't always mean you go to jail.


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LoveBroker
Last year
17:59 30 Nov 17

Reply #659737

re: NH: Don Burke

To the best of my knowledge there hasn't even been any criminal charges laid.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:26 30 Nov 17

Reply #659747

re: NH: Don Burke

And there probably won't be. Do you think he is innocent of what it is he is alleged to do?


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Anonymous
Last year
18:26 30 Nov 17

Reply #659748

re: NH: Don Burke

*alleged to have done?


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ayjay
Last year
18:53 30 Nov 17

Reply #659753

re: NH: Don Burke

I don't recall him playing basketball or ever being a Sixers fan so

Off with his head!


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Anonymous
Last year
20:00 30 Nov 17

Reply #659775

re: NH: Don Burke

The allegations just make him seem like an awkward old man with a big ego and a dirty mind. Why is this news?


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Anonymous
Last year
20:37 30 Nov 17

Reply #659782

re: NH: Don Burke

One of Australia's biggest ever TV stars is a sexual predator.... Yeah, why is that news??


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Hanging Round
Last year
00:41 1 Dec 17

Reply #659813

re: NH: Don Burke

I will make sure that I decline any invitation to visit Burke's Back Yard.
Not all weeds appear to be in the ground.


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D2
Last year
02:26 1 Dec 17

Reply #659815

re: NH: Don Burke

Its sad because he always projected such a wholesome image, and it turns out he was just another creep.

That said, it is somewhat of a beat-up, in the sense that the TV industry is hardly a beacon of moral righteousness.

NB: I am not in any way defending Jim, he sounds like a vile lecherous creep, but he's probably no worse than many others in that industry.


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Luuuc
Last year
05:00 1 Dec 17

Reply #659816

re: NH: Don Burke

Yeah, it's not ideal that the same media groups who profit from covering these things up and throwing dozens of victims under the bus, then profit again from blowing it all up into big news stories.


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AshT
Last year
09:33 1 Dec 17

Reply #659837

re: NH: Don Burke

" ... the TV industry is hardly a beacon of moral righteousness".

D2, I certainly agree. If anyone follows through on my earlier comment Fiona Barnett reveals a lot about the extent of it. Her experiences date back to when she was a child, if you get my drift.


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Reality
Last year
10:17 1 Dec 17

Reply #659840

re: NH: Don Burke

The media for so long were the moral preachers on pretty much most things and it turns out its "do as i say not as i do" arrogance thats bringing down many of these celeb's/TV personalities


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D2
Last year
15:03 1 Dec 17

Reply #659890

re: NH: Don Burke

Fact is that this shit has been going on in the media and Hollywood since day one, and continues to go on. But now they selectively want to out a couple of individuals who for whatever reason have fallen out of favour.
I don't care about Burke being outed, he's a creep and deserves whatever he gets. But there's a lot more where he came from.

People wonder how it is that dirtbag paedophiles like Harris and that hey-Dad scum got away with it for so long? And this is why. Who could the victims turn to? Other scuzzball men? Or the women trading sexual favours with them?

True story: Back in around 2006 one of my staff was giving us regular updates on one of her close friends, who was screwing one of the (married) current darlings of Australian Television.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:15 1 Dec 17

Reply #659893

re: NH: Don Burke

like Burke we all grew up with them on TV.

I grew up watching the other stations on Friday nights - NBL on Seven and then Ten. :)


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AL
Last year
11:11 2 Dec 17

Reply #660017

re: NH: Don Burke

Love to make a comment but due to the New Age Over Insentative Woman i might find myself in court 50years from now and getting sued...


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AL
Last year
11:11 2 Dec 17

Reply #660018

re: NH: Don Burke

Love to make a comment but due to the New Age Over Insentative Woman i might find myself in court 50years from now and getting sued...


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Luuuc
Last year
11:18 2 Dec 17

Reply #660020

re: NH: Don Burke

Yeah, I hear you.
The problem here definitely lies with all the women, LOL.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:47 2 Dec 17

Reply #660045

re: NH: Don Burke

"When it's a case of his word vs theirs, and theirs includes 50 people, then he should absolutely not get the benefit of the doubt.
Sure, legally his guilt still needs to be established properly, but it's pretty obvious what the truth is. Even his own side of the story makes him look like a creep!"

I'm not sure there's been 50 people who have come out. I think the original story was launched on the allegations of 3-4 women. And since then others have come out with some additional stories to "add fuel to the fire" so to speak. From what I can gather, most of the additional stories since the original story came out were not sexual harassment allegations but stories about Don's potty mouth etc.

But where do you draw the line? Is it if 5 people say something then it is deemed to be true? Or 10?

Also, I'm not sure how we can conclude "it is pretty obvious what the truth is" except to buy into the stereotype of the creepy old man (which he may very well be, but I'm not sure how we can establish it based purely on stories in the press).

Meanwhile, any further job opportunities for Burke have probably been extinguished. I guess at the end of the day, as one of the other posters pointed out, Burke is not in jail. His job opportunities and public perception have been destroyed based on public perception and assumptions based on these allegations. But this is no different to others in the world who are judged and discriminated against without any firm basis on which to form that judgment.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:22 2 Dec 17

Reply #660080

re: NH: Don Burke

Yeah, poor Don... He's the real victim here.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:28 2 Dec 17

Reply #660084

re: NH: Don Burke

Asperges doe


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Luuuc
Last year
19:08 2 Dec 17

Reply #660096

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Anonymous
Last year
19:15 2 Dec 17

Reply #660097

re: NH: Don Burke

The problem atm is that sexual harassment is getting treated the same as sexual assault via social media.

If someone is sexually assaulted, a report should be instantly made to the police.

If Steven Seagal tries to hook up with you inappropriately in 1998 don't quote #metoo in 2017.

Notes: what Weinstein, Louis CK, and others did was/is completely wrong.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:01 2 Dec 17

Reply #660114

re: NH: Don Burke

but you think people should continue to employ burke? I don't know what the law says but I know what pretty much every workplace code of conduct specifically prohibits.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:32 2 Dec 17

Reply #660123

re: NH: Don Burke

"If someone is sexually assaulted, a report should be instantly made to the police"

Well that solves that then!


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Zodiac
Last year
13:02 4 Dec 17

Reply #660239

re: NH: Don Burke

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/in-their-own-words-women-speak-up-against-don-burke-20171201-gzx4eq.html


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