56
Last year

Are there any aboriginals in the NBL?

I was trying to figure it out today couldnt think of any so thought I'd ask the fine people at hoops.
Who are some current NBL aboriginal players?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tod Blanchfield I beleive.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jawai

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Anonymous  
Last year

Moller and Adnam

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56  
Last year

Forgot Jawai still played tbh.

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Zodiac  
Last year

I think he has too.

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Anonymous  
Last year

greg hire

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koberulz  
Last year

I don't believe Jawai is Aboriginal.

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Zodiac  
Last year

He's not but most people don't know to differentiate between Indigenous and Aboriginal, he's Torres Strait Islander.

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koberulz  
Last year

People not knowing he's not Aboriginal doesn't make him Aboriginal.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is Tamuri Wigness an aboriginal ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is Tamuri in the NBL? And no.

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56  
Last year

So if we're talkimg straight down the middle aboriginal who we got?

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56  
Last year

Googling hasn't gotten me any further in this research. Just list Jawai and Patty Mills.

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koberulz  
Last year

Jawai isn't Aboriginal and Mills isn't in the NBL, so I'm not sure what list you're looking at.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Other than Nate Jawai, there are definitely no players running around who look Indigenous. I guess there could always be a couple white players that claim heritage.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Other than Nate Jawai, there are definitely no players running around who look Indigenous. I guess there could always be a couple white players that claim heritage."

If you've got it in you then you’re Indigenous. You obviously don’t know how Indigenous and native systems work.

This is a very typical statement made by non-indigenous (and most usually white people) who try to break us down in to percentages and castes to decide if we’re white enough to be “white”.

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Anonymous  
Last year

If you've got it in you then you're Indigenous. You obviously don’t know how Indigenous and native systems work.

This is a very typical statement made by non-indigenous (and most usually white people) who try to break us down in to percentages and castes to decide if we’re white enough to be "white".

LO,whoa buddy, unless you have a crystal ball shoved up your tailend,then unless its obvious to the eye nobody knows do they

thought this was a question beinging asked about aboriginal players in the NBL,perhaps you should have asked 'how many indigenous'players are currently in the NBL'
frankly it should not matter ,I see a player not the colour of their skin when I watch

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Yinka Dare  
Last year

I think the cedar brothers were but not in nbl

Deba George another one I think

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Anonymous  
Last year

Pretty sure its just blanchfield. Jawai torres.

Deba george didnt play nbl but is aboriginal.

There is an aboriginal team that plays the nz Maori team every year but dont think they had anyone from the nbl playing.

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Yinka Dare  
Last year

Deba George plagued for cairns

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Bigwal  
Last year

Deba was born in the Torres Strait. Played for the Taipans in 2011/12 I think.

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Anonymous  
Last year

From a genealogical perspective you can't be any less than 1/8th of anything (ie your great grandparents)

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Anonymous  
Last year

Change it to "Indigenous" and ask again...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Chris Patton according to a Cairns Post article recently.

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Tribe  
Last year

Chris Pattons bro plays AFL for GWS right? Almost certain they aren't Aboriginal

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Anonymous  
Last year

AJ Ogilvey and Casper Ware

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Anonymous  
Last year

KR to expert again. The Mattic of Hoops.

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56  
Last year

Was looking at a list of aboriginal sports people Kobe. Its the only list I could find.

So we're saying there is none? Whats up with that?

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koberulz  
Last year

Does anything have to be up with it? If Aboriginal people were represented in the NBL at the same rate as in the entire population, there would be 1.9 Aboriginal players in the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Last year

yet there is almost always zero, so something is up

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koberulz  
Last year

There were at least two for a period of a few years not all that long ago - there were three for some of the 2012 season - and even expecting two requires Aboriginals to go into basketball at the same rate as others.

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Isaac  
Last year

8 teams with 8 local players per team. 64 spots. Indigenous population estimated to be about 3% of the broader Australian population, so 1-2 players within a set of around 64. Jawai is one current representative.

People have mentioned other recent players: George, Cedars, Demos, Mills, etc.

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koberulz  
Last year

Demos as well? In that case there were four in the league simultaneously in 2012 with him, Mills, and the Cedar brothers.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Don't tell KR Jawai is aboriginal Isaac.
KR said "Jawai isn't Aboriginal"
Indigenous sums it up.

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koberulz  
Last year

I assume you're the same anon who in the Cal Bruton thread is whining about me thinking I know more than you despite not actually rebutting any of my arguments?

At least here you're making an argument, even if it's completely wrong.

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56  
Last year

Is it just they prefer AFL?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Craig Moller

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Anonymous  
Last year

If we are going "Indigenous", don't forget Kerry Williams from the Taipans.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mills is from the Torres Strait KR.So wrong again. Still.

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koberulz  
Last year

I can't be "wrong again still" because one requires me being wrong about a different thing, and the other requires me being wrong about the same thing.

And neither applies because I wasn't wrong the first time.

But you get one Internet Point for the Mills thing, so good for you.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Can confirm koberulz is of 100% wanker descent.

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koberulz  
Last year

That speaks to a rather large misunderstanding of biology.

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Jay  
Last year

Basketball, at least along the eastern side of the continent isn't very popular among Aboriginal communities, except among Koori people in Victoria. I have no idea about WA.

Many play in our own community tournaments, choosing not to play in other leagues. Mainstream basketball isn't seen as being inclusive of Aboriginal people and if you look back over threads on ozhoops and elsewhere, you'll find racist and ignorant comments about us. That sort of environment is why Patty Mills father created an Indigenous club, the Shadows. It's also why our best young players either end up playing rugby league or AFL, or just playing with their families in knock out tournaments.

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Jay  
Last year

Btw, as far as identity goes, the way we look at it - you're either Aboriginal or you're not, regardless of colour. It's still a coffee, even if it has milk in it.

Skin tone usually means nothing. We all know who is or isn't. To us its usually obvious.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Mainstream basketball isn't seen as being inclusive of Aboriginal people and if you look back over threads on ozhoops and elsewhere, you'll find racist and ignorant comments about us."

To be fair Ozhoops tends to sh_t on anyone regardless of race. Some very toxic people were on that site which eventually led to its downfall.

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Isaac  
Last year

I was just about to lock the thread to finish the pedantic arguing, but glad I didn't. Thanks Jay.

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dc  
Last year

Tim Duggan 1996 Gold Coast Rollers.
Great kid .

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Very Old  
Last year

Some experts here are truely pathetic. Patrick has Torres straight heritage on his dad's side , and aboriginal on his mum's. Only been reported in the local, national and international press for about 15 years.

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Very Old  
Last year

Spot Quiz. First player (s) of indigenous heritage to have played for a winning team in a GF in Aust Nat leagues nbl, wnbl , or/and USA WNBA, include year and team for bonus point.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yeah don't tell Kobewanker.
I don't know. Morseau?

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56  
Last year

Thanks Isaac for not locking the thread that insight from Jay was the kind of response I was hoping to find once you filter through the crap you find some good posts.

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Jack Toft  
Last year

"It's still a coffee, even if it has milk in it."

Yep, good point, well done Jay, that's pretty much quote of the year.

As far as heritage is concerned it's interesting that a lot of DNA tests don't actually measure Australian Aborigine. We should all be proud of our heritage as it's generally unlikely that you are 100% of something. I did mine recently. 50% British & Irish, 35% Western European, 10% Scandinavian and 5% Eastern European. Could be worse.....

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Luuuc  
Last year

Yeah I would guess Danny Morseu as well. St Kilda Saints - 1979 NBL Champs.

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Luuuc  
Last year

Actually I think my guess is wrong. Someone else have a crack.

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koberulz  
Last year

Pretty sure you were just off by a year - Morseu was on the Saints in 1980.

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Luuuc  
Last year

He was on the Saints in 79 as well, was one of their leading scorers, and they won the title that, but I don't think he actually played in the GF

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wrong again Kobe.
"Among the players on the 1979 and 1980 championship teams were Larry Sengstock, Robbie Cadee, Tony Barnett, Danny Morseau, Steve Breheny and the amazing American Rocky Smith."
From the official Melb Utd website.
http://www.melbourneutd.com.au/pages/35366-history-history.
No wonder people pull you up all the time with your so knowledgeable knowledge. Generally wrong.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Settle down anon.

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koberulz  
Last year

He was on the Saints in 79 as well, was one of their leading scorers, and they won the title that, but I don't think he actually played in the GF
He didn't, but he did in 1980.

Wrong again Kobe.
"Among the players on the 1979 and 1980 championship teams were Larry Sengstock, Robbie Cadee, Tony Barnett, Danny Morseau, Steve Breheny and the amazing American Rocky Smith."
From the official Melb Utd website.
http://www.melbourneutd.com.au/pages/35366-history-history.
You should have no trouble finding footage of Morseu playing in the 1979 grand final then. You're trusting a source that can't even spell the guy's name.

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Rufus  
Last month

How time goes by and people forget the trailblazers!!!
Claude Williams was one of the first Aboriginal players in the NBL in 1979 (along with Danny Morseau) playing for the Sydney Astronauts and then the Sydney Supersonics in 1983.
He was also the all time leading Indigenous scorer with 39 points against the Melbourne Tigers (Andrew Gaze's team) in 1984.
In 1988 he became the first and ONLY head coach in the NBL in 1988 (Sydney Kings) before coaching the Newcastle Falcons in 1989 and 1990.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Rufus, did you just make the same typo that Melbourne United allegedly made? I sense koberulz stopping by any moment to call you out. BTW<,someone needs to contact Google as it is misspelt a lot there too.

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Rufus  
Last month

Hey Anonymous,
Danny Morseau was on the St Kilda roster in 1979 and 1980 but not sure from memory if he played in both G/F's. He injured his knee and may have missed one or the other. Unfortunately the knee injury cut short his memorable career.
By the way, Graham Davis (also Aborigine) played for the Sydney Kings team in their inaugural team in the NBL in 1988.

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koberulz  
Last month

It's Morseu, not Morseau.

I notice the anon from earlier has been unable to provide footage of Morseu in the 1979 grand final, too.

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Anonymous  
Last month

DANNY MORSEU

1979. Not sure how the table will show here but here is his 1979 stats.
Field 3 point Rebounds F/Throws Points AV

PL A M % A M % FL AS BL ST TO DA OF DE TOT A M % TOT PPG

16 220 110 50 0 0 0 46 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 44 32 73 252 16

Can somemone fix that please.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Don't forget there were other Aboriginal and indigenous Australians playing high level basketball who would have played NBL, if it had existed before 1979.

eg Michael Almaty- 1964 Olympics, represented NT in Australian championships. He was an on court genius for his spatial awareness and slick passing.

Since the start of the NBL, I highly doubt that any Australian-based Olympian would not play NBL.

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Cram  
Last month

For anyone still wondering if there are any new indigenous players in the NBL this season, Davo Hickey at the Phoenix is indigenous.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"By the way, Graham Davis (also Aborigine) played for the Sydney Kings team in their inaugural team in the NBL in 1988."

GD is one of the hardest and toughest players I have ever seen. Great guy

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D2.0  
Last month

Indigenous Australians make up about 3% of the population.

So In a league with about 72 local players, you'd only need 2 to be considered representative.

It's claimed they make up 10% of the AFL. I personally would have guessed a little lower than that, but I suppose not all are obvious, so its probably about right.

I don't know how the average physical characteristics compare against the population average. It's fair to say, on a casual observation, that's there's quite a few small guys in the AFL, who would simply be too short for even the NBL. But I have also know some very tall & hard guys.

Perhaps as the influence of basketball spreads, along with the necessary infrastructure, we may see an uptick in participation?

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