Simon1
Earlier this year

Marty Clarke

THE BIG FELLA IS BACK!

He's heading up the NBA global academy down in Canberrra town. He's been in the ol' US of A bloody killing it at St Mary's college.

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Very Old  
Earlier this year

Yes, Marty is just the bloke that Canberra needs, if only he had stayed on with the 36ers, they would have had two NBL titles by now. Would be a HUGE lose to the Geal's program is they can't find the money to keep him, they may well have to offer him the head coach position in order to ensure they don't lose such a proven winning basketball coach. but then if hes back here permanently, surely he will take over the Boomers ( aust men I mean) program ASAP :0

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Reality  
Earlier this year

Plenty of these development type coaches in Australia who rarely seem to coach actual winning teams/programs but get plumb player development roles.

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Grovermister  
Earlier this year

DJ and Creeks development under creek was exceptional, we didnt notice it at the time but it is paying off now, both those players wouldnt be the players they are today if it werent for clark, he was a terrible head coach but his time as the AIS assisted a lot of players whom are playing globally, he should be commended for his role as a development coach and not remembered for time as head coach at adelaide. Adelaide had no money at the time and clark would have been cheap comparred to other coaches avilable at the time.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Theres some here in Adelaide that do all these fancy development coaching, one had a similar record as Clarke in Premier League. Gets a lot of kids out, some with great ability already so parents see them and think he can help little Johnny or Sally turn into them. Unfortunately theyre not 6 9 or ultra athletic.

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Camel 31  
Earlier this year

Creek didn't wanna go to college , so he asked Marty to sign him , otherwise he would go to afl draft and also back then , you had to have one under 23 player in the team , so he got DJ...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Creek could have gone to Duke. Did not take their call. Had no interest.

In regards to fancy development coaching in Adelaide. I think most are on to the individual you speak of. He has the misguided suckers from his own club being pushed into it and the Sudanese kids who normally get it for free but then repay through alleged, shadey back end deals later on.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

"Plenty of these development type coaches in Australia who rarely seem to coach actual winning teams/programs but get plumb player development roles."

Yeah and what's wrong with that?

You need player development coaches; and not just team HC's. Australia has player development coaches and that is why you guys develop so many NBA players - it should be praised, not criticized.

Just my subjective opinion, but I think PD coaches are more valuable to have in the system. PD coaches = more skillful players = more skillful teams.

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Player Development  
Earlier this year

Please don't allow the actions of one individual in Adelaide cloud the value of those passionate about developing players.

There is a big difference between those who take a genuine interest in building a child's skills and confidence so they can meet their goals, be it to become elite, move from a domestic to a district program or just feel like they are contributing to their school team more, versus someone who promises the world to everyone.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Is the local development coach being talked about here with close links with Sudanese kids Rashad Tucker?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Creek could have gone to Duke. Did not take their call. Had no interest."

Wow. Creek seems like a homer -- only now he finally went abroad for the stint in Germany.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Some people aren't interested in college. I never understood the fascination with it myself and if I had been in Creek's shoes I would rather start my pro career at 18 then go to college in the states.

At the same time the vast majority of college kids will never be good enough to play pro ball so going for the experience would be an option.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

In the past probably right Zodiac.

Kids now are more readily going to D1 programs than before.

Also with the lack of opportunities and high standard of NBL there are just not enough gigs for top young players. If you are good enough to go D1 it is really the best chance to play NBL after, get a free education, life experience and great access excellent development facilities.

The level is a fair bit higher than SA ABL or whatever it is called now too.

If you are a freak that can play NBL out of High School then the conversation becomes tougher but kids at that level go to high majors and would consider themselves chance to make the NBA (realistic or not). Again college could be better for them too.

As the poster above says. Creek could have gone to Duke. Where would he be if he had gone that path? J White is a great player but Creek was prob better.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Most players would be looking for playing time and/or getting paid after being at centre of excellence etc. So unless you would be getting minutes in college, why not turn pro. Froling went there and basically sat for 2 years, so has White.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It was a missed opportunity. If you do well in college at a big school like Duke you are going to get drafted by the NBA.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

It's a massive "if" though. Don't underestimate.

Look at Tai Wynyard. Really gutted for him. Put a major dent in his career. Hope he recovers.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

It wasn't a missed opportunity for Creek no as he's on the cusp of making the NBA now and never would've been considered to be drafted straight out of college.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You don't know that.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Don't forget that some of these kids really struggle with the concept of school, let alone tertiary education. Some will simply hate school and do not want to be anywhere near a university while others will be unable to meet the academic requirements (without starting a debate on NCAA and what might otherwise happen with some student-athletes).

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yeah, Creek doesn't seem like he would want to hit the books.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

College ain't for everyone - Cadee chose pro too.

The standard of college ball is overrated - pros would kill them.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

StMarys playing in Autralia potentially in August.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not potentially. Yes.

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Mock  
Earlier this year

If it is true Creek would not even take a call from DUKE then he is an absolute dopey member.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

AFAIK the final schedule for St Marys hasn't been locked in yet.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Isaac, should this be a new Topic?

"THE Hobart Chargers are a heartbeat away from finalising a deal with US college team St Mary's — which includes Tasmanians Tanner Krebs and Kyle Clark — to play them at the Derwent Entertainment Centre on August 12."

"St Mary’s will also play Sydney Kings, New Zealand Breakers and Melbourne United while they are Down Under."

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Sure. Go for it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Creek did take the call from Duke, but he immediately posted to his facebook page asking if someone can take his SAT's for him.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Thats what we need. Someone who can't actually apply his own teachings and translate to a winning adult program is back teaching our kids how to play basketball.

Poor choice. Easy choice. Typical of basketball in this country.

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KB3  
Earlier this year

Go and ask anyone of the multitude of professional athletes that Marty has coached what they think of him. Unfortunately for you your opinion doesn't count. Marty has a highly successful conversion rate of kids he has coached becoming elite in world basketball.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Seems like Clarke had success in developing talent, although you could argue that with talent it may well have shone through anyway. He struggled mightily in handling adults in a game situation. Seems a good role for him as he would probably never coach a high level mens team again.

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Very Old  
Earlier this year

The ones that will reply will all say they like him - so what ?? they all had 1-3 years in a free boarding school where he was the headmaster ( for the boys)

He knocked back Patty Mills for 3 straight years, basically had said said for many years that he was not ever going to be a point guard, but when left with a suddenly "spare" scholarship a few weeks before the start of the year (Scott Pendelbury), he pulled in Patty as a cheap option , as he lived locally, and the scholarship FOR THAT YEAR had to be given to someone . Then patty excelled with the intense training that was now available to him.

the facts are that the absolute cream of all junior basketball players when to the AIS for the vast bulk of the years that Clarke and others ( Phil Brown, Frank A, Patrick Hunt etc) were the head coaches there.

Many many of those players just needed the time and training facilities, and a coach that did not "do harm" . Not saying that those coaches did not do well,or work hard ( as many many opals said " brownie could rebound my shoots all day, and he was soooo good at passing the ball to me at just the right speed and spot for the shot"

The coaches did a good job, earnt their pay and position through hard work (and a little bit of patronage and lucky timing - just like EVERY job out in the real world.) , but to say that their performance was any better than what another very good development coach ( and Australia always has a few dozen on hand at any one time) would have achieved is very naive.

those players that did "make it" have absolutely no incentive not to say good things in acknowledgement of the free ride and genuine support they received, even if its just to be polite, and the ones that did not get picked for the AIS don't have any credibility ( as they clearly ( joke) weren't good enough )

However there are a few examples of where players reached great success after being 'rejected" by the AIS development coaches. That does not make those coaches 'bad" , just stop posting as if they were god's gift.

many of the head 9 and assistant) coaches in the mens and womens AIS program never had great success as coaches of senior teams, there are very few who did. But Australian junior players had lots of success as seniors, and many would have whoever had been in the development positions.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"He knocked back Patty Mills for 3 straight years, basically had said said for many years that he was not ever going to be a point guard, but when left with a suddenly "spare" scholarship a few weeks before the start of the year (Scott Pendelbury), he pulled in Patty as a cheap option , as he lived locally, and the scholarship FOR THAT YEAR had to be given to someone . Then patty excelled with the intense training that was now available to him."

Great example.

"He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches."

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Then you have the opposite. A certain balding at the time, ex great Australian point guard, had great success as an NBL coach but developed nothing in regards to younger players. Even passed on a certain player named.....Joe Ingles. Was nothing special the coaching staff said at the time. Wow!!!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

That's why he never coached again. One hit wonder.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Breheny was the real brains of the operation, the whole talking in the timeout was Breheny telling him what to do. Funny how at the time everyone thought that it was him consulting with the assistant to give him some input.
Was really shown out in the New Zealand series when he was by himself, didn't know what to do without his right hand man, hence quitting. Being a consultant to the kings IMO was interesting as Gaze would probably be the most clueless coach in Australia, blind leading the blind.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Exactly right re: Breheny. Kind of blows when ex-players with a name get paid more than the people who actually know what they are doing. Smyth-Breheny and more recently Gaze-Vickerman duos come to mind. The latter was even worse because he wouldn't even listen, although happy that Vickerman got his own gig again and won a title.

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Very Old  
Earlier this year

" found out in the New Zealand series"

a series where

1) BA sent a seriously deficient referee ( cos the series was just a training run)who let the NZ refs run the show, and who was overawed by the crowds
2) NZ fielded a full strength team that eventually ( and VERY deservedly) made the medal rounds in the WCs, actually better than OZ had ever achieved.
3) BA, injuries and the NBL teams restricted the players available for selection, because it wa a training run.
4) I think ( and i could be wrong) that BA was so confident they gave NZ a two game series, all in NZ, that was expected to go 2:0 to OZ, or at least one HUGE blowout that would eclipse any ( extremely unlikely) single win by NZ.

does not exonerate Smyth from the result, but not so sure that BG would have gotten a better result in the same circumstances.
BA learnt their lesson, and ensured Smyth took 100% of the blame - in which they were obviously successful ;)

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