Bruce Ball
Two months ago

BSA Junior Finals

The last minute change of the Junior Finals to a 2 week series due to poor programming should be the last straw for all district clubs allowing BSA to run the competition, just simply unprofessional.
It is also time to reduce summer season To only one round , at least give our young athletes and parents a break from basketball for a couple of months

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.  
Two months ago

it's been 2 weeks for a 2-3 months now. Depends on your situation if you need a break, some teams dont make finals and may have a 5-6 week break. Where a team going to U14 club champs return a week or two before summer. Best to manage on a individual basis and clubs manage groups etc on an individual basis - some want to train other need a break. I was trying to fins out when summer season starts. Oct 18th or 25th ?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

And the person responsible no longer works at BSA.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

BSA is an absolute mess!

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cat  
Two months ago

the sooner Basketball Adelaide and the Clubs run their own competition the better.

BSA are a trian-wreck..

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

and the clubs are run better? Not according to all the negative threads/posts on here.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It is more about the governance. The problem is that BSA have zero accountability for everything they do, yet rely on club resources for their existence be it competitions, attraction ,retention and growth of participants or high performance athlete development.

It is the current governance that is the issue. Take the access to funds that BSA has, allow clubs to employ and govern their own competitions, development programs, pathways and see how long BSA existing people survive in those jobs when they are actually accountable. Can't introduce a performance and improvement culture now because there is NO accountability.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Cut summer back to one round and give everyone a decent break , and play a decent winter finals series , why bother playing 2 full rounds and then half a finals series

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#702974 who is the person responsible?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I can't wait for the clubs to run the comp , just tell me does anyone believe the clubs will act in the best interest of basketball in the state or it will it just be all about their individual clubs.
It’s a disaster waiting to happen . The problem in this state is not so much BSA staff or CEO but more the commission itself. Get the right people in charge their and we may have a chance

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I personally think BSA is heading in the right direction under the new CEO. He had a mess to clean up and quite frankly underperforming staff in many areas. In addition to the direction from the Commission was questionable.

The Country Metro divide is a significant issue which needs rectifying but why would Country want that when they are benefitting from the money generated by Metro basket.

But the biggest issue is the trust between clubs to ensure any take-over of the competition is for the benefit of basketball in the state. Maybe it will work with current personnel but there is constant change within clubs and at some point there will be conflict.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

How does SA Country benefit from Metro revenue when Country players pays metro to be affiliated as well as paying SA Country affiliation
I can't think of anything country gets from metro ?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Staff that service country regions such as referee development, JDO's and NITP comes from revenue generated by metro competitions.

As do the venues they play country carnivals in.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

That is absolute crap , SA Country pays its own staff from country players affiliation fees , Ingham has s proportion of his wage directly paid by SA country . Country pumps close to 100k into BSA via affiliation fees and for that BSA bia Mike Gibson provides some input into referees
The idea that Metro subsidises country in any form is bullshit .

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Metro clubs and competitions input over $1M as well as affiliation and registration fees.

$100K wouldnt cover what you are receiving from BSA

Most district clubs would provide more revenue to BSA than all of SAC and receive barely anything in return.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Perhaps youcan enlighten us all on what you think SAcountry actually receives from BSA

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

remove the commission - over inflated egos ruining basketball is SA

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You only need to get rid of the chairman

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Anon  
Two months ago

Further to this why no games at titanium this weekend. 2 game finals - so poor. Pity teams going out week 1 if finished top or second. Tough to take. Might as well finish 4th no advantage.

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Well Read  
Two months ago

Might as well finish 4th and play the top team? Come on, stop looking for things to complain about.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Point being no advantage for finishing top or second that's the point. Not complaining.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Your advantage is playing a lower team generally at home. Nice one Einstein

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Anon  
Two months ago

You can't be serious. So team that finishes top gets home court does it. Think not. Of course you play lower ranked team who win one game into grand final. Top team has nil reward. Play 1 v 2 grand final straight up. Why does 4th ranked get reward with a auto.grand final game for winning one game.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Teams worked butts off to get second chance as insurance. But no let's just reward mediocrity. Just cruise make the 4. All you need to do.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If SA wants credibility in Basketball the Winter Season and State Championships needs to be run the same as Nationals and Premier League when it comes to finals. It use to be this way and it made the finals series interesting and less predictable. It also prepares players and coaches for that next level of Club Championships, Classic, ECC, SCC, Nationals and beyond. The players and coaches are robbed of the opportunity to play in a professional competition where their efforts are taken seriously. I feel the leadership lacks respect for players and coaches and the enormous amount of time sacrificed to train and play their sport. This is at the expense of many other activities they could be doing but they commit all year unlike most sports that are seasonal so should be rewarded with the opportunity to experience a full finals series. Parents give an enormous amount of money via their clubs to BSA and at the door to run a professional basketball league but they are not offered a professionally scheduled competition. The removal of pro relegation and the Increasing number of changes not only in summer but also winter to address divisional issues is alarming. The drop out rate for girls and lowering numbers is of great concern as well. Then we get to the removal of 2nd division 2 teams removal from the state championships, the backfilling of teams in regular competition or splitting of divisions in the first 5 weeks and the opportunity for more talent to be identified and an even greater level of competition to assist with development by playing against the unknown. Even the merchandising at state championships where young players are excited about getting their state champs jumpers and the pride that goes with wearing it and the inspiration to other players to work hard, move up a division and have the opportunity to participate in the next state championships is all disappearing. I feel there is a perception that it has become all about the employees, the referees, the door staff, the high performance group who seem to be just looking for the next big thing or a predetermined group about and not in the best interest of the state as a whole with an emphasis on team first and trying to get the win over showcasing specific players at the expense of all the playing group and the results. It just all lends itself to the criticisms that suggest that the organisation tasked to run a professional competition just doesn't care about the customer, that is the players and the coaches. That is poor business and loyalty customers are ready to walk. Time for a change to a customer focused business model that means engagement, what does the customer want, what are they willing to pay for to keep their loyalty. But it seems loyalty may already be lost and a new Customer focussed business is about to raise its head and offer a better product. Lets hope either way the players are the winners in it all.

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Well Read  
Two months ago

Anon, you said there is no advantage for finishing top when there clearly is - just not as much as with a 5-team finals series. Just give it up.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

To be fair to the new BSA CEO he inherited a basket case . He deserves a chance to try and sort out the mess that is BSA.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Agree easy to blame but its fixing the proble that ears needed. Can't fix if don't acknowledge problem or problems.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

In terms of Junior finals couldn't we have had finals on Friday night and Sunday ? Most clubs train on Sundays anyway ??

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Anon  
Two months ago

Semi Finals done....Wow what a night at Morphett Vale for the Division 1 Semi's.
To see some of the teams that finished 1st and 2nd to get knocked out. Sturt faired poorly in the U14 Div 1 girls and the U16 Div 1 boys, disappointing to see them drop out, again it comes down to BSA screwing up so badly with the fixture so they lost their 2nd chance.
North have shown they have a strong junior program with their U12, U14, U16 Boys all have big wins.
Hope for the upcoming season BSA have planned things a lot better.

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WOW  
Two months ago

How is it that only Sturt are disadvantaged boys the change and not the teams that beat them?

Maybe the club needs to look at themselves about lack of results. Didn't see their director of coaching even out there watching games.

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anon  
Two months ago

Intriguing that Sturt complain when usually they get to play there finals at Pasadena. Accept you werent good enough on the night.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Were there any surprises from the Friday night games ?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I don't think it was a big surprise for Eastern to beat Sturt in 14 girls.

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Io70  
Two months ago

Sturts boys have traditionally relied on playing a trap in the younger years. The trap stops working past about U14, once the players are strong enough to pass through it, and as such Sturt start to drop off. They try to stay relevant by recruiting to top up. Interesting to note that after recruiting 2 State players their U14 div 1 team dropped from 2nd to 5th.

North Adelaide are very heavily recruiting and this is both boosting them and impacting Sturt. North are also very flexible when it comes to ages of some of their players...

Be careful not to confuse 'winning' with development programs.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lo70, what do you mean flexible with ages

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Really  
Two months ago

Amon #401

How does that work when Sturt has won 10 if the last U18 state championships?

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Bruce  
Two months ago

Friday night was a disgrace for BSA and it is only dumb luck that both players and spectators got through the night without a serious injury at Morphettvale. Being crammed in with 4 courts in operation and no adequate seating or clearance between the court and spectators showed a serious lack of duty of care for all involved. Adding to the pathetic programming where a team, that lost only a couple of games in the season can be eliminated after 1 final just shows how little idea those at BSA actually have.

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Io70  
Two months ago

I think we all know what 'flexible with ages' means when it comes to North, lets not be coy.

As I said Really, recruiting to top up is where Sturt traditionally go. Only now North are outpacing them in this area.

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Anon  
Two months ago

Home court advantage for one team regardless of where they finished. No second chance.
What is going on. Is now the new way forward .... less is best. Games not played last round. Club fined if forfeit. Clubs penalised because can't access court but no come back. .... seems wheels are really wobbly....

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

That's a pretty big accusation Lo70. Hope you have evidence to back up your comments.

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.  
Two months ago

at the end of the day one team gets it done and the other doesn't - got to put it on the court game time.

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Really  
Two months ago

lo70

But they still won playing full court press defence.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Sturt Div 3 16 Boys and North Div 2 16 boys (Undefeated) were also victims of the 1 vs 4 semi loss.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

By victims you mean they lost to the fourth team of the competition

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

MV on Friday night was a terrible situation as previously identified. Not Southerns fault but please never let this happen again. Are we really that short of courts? Won't be next year.
On 1v4 and 1 losing - bad luck. If you can’t beat the 4th team in the semi, then you weren’t good enough anyway. I like the short finals format. Gets it out the way.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lucky loser formats are awful and defeat the purpose of playoffs - the intensity of play due to it being sudden death.

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Really  
Two months ago

lo70

Still not sure how you think Sturt won all those u18 state champs when playing full court defence?

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Anon  
Two months ago

lo70 - North flexible with ages you say. A couple of talented kids who have been with the program for YEARS and in this city since very very young children and you want to make that claim? ridiculous.

North didn't recruit anyone, one lad in 16s transferred to be with friends and because his old club was full of big egos and ball hogs.

The 12s and 14s boys are all originals.

The program is strong because the coaching and culture is strong.

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Really  
Two months ago

Apologies ANON

But when players on their own accord move to your club because you provide a better coaching service than they get at their current club. It's apparently poaching.

Sturt have been accused of it for years. Cause no one would choose to move there apparently.

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