Anonymous
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Matthew Dellavedova NBL

The NBA game is past Delly, I believe we will see him in the NBL by 2020.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wow, so much insight.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yeah, south Melbourne team.

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Benno  
Last year

He didnt even look good in the recent Fiba games.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Delly probably 3rd choice pg for the boomers now behind exum.

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James Harvey fan  
Last year

I would absolutely love to see Delly in the NBL when he finishes up in the NBA. Him leading a scrappy underdog regional team would be so good.

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Anonymous  
Last year

And his bank balance cares how much?

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Young Gun  
Last year

He should have a few years of Euroleague left in him

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Anonymous  
Last year

No Maker either, is he injured?

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think Delly will find a role as a steady hand, good locker room vet minimum guy who can be a 3rd string point guard when his current contract expires. NBL still a long way off for him.

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Hogwash  
Last year

I remember saying in a post awhile back that Dellavedova could be in the NBL by 2020, a few Dellavedova fanboys got annoyed with me.

I still think he is NBL bound .

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Anonymous  
Last year

Delly would be around 30 then, and I'm sure kids would be on the agenda. You'd think he like to raise his children near friends and family rather then in some shitty European town.

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or maybe  
Last year

or maybe he would be fine with raising children in a progressive and cultured European city rather than a racist bogan one down under

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yeah Melbourne hasn't just been voted the most liveable city 7 of the last 8 years. And if you have ever lived in Europe you'd know that Europeans are very racist.

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Greggo  
Last year

Both Delly and Maker had interrupted preseasons, and with a deep MIL roster they were told they wouldn't be in the rotation early on due to the lack of preseaon.

Will have to train their way back into the team.

Thon was inactive- coaches decision today. Delly was active but didn't get any burn

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Greggo  
Last year

I should add they were interrupted preseasons due to knee soreness

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Food for thought  
Last year

I think any reasonable onlooker knew that Delly's time in the NBA was going to be a limited thing, and that he was only going to be effective in certain situations. But full credit to the guy, he played a few memorable seasons and made a whole lot of money. But yes, I expect to see Delly in the NBL before 2020, and I think he will come here as opposed to Europe because he's already set for life, and he's such a stand-up bloke that he'd want to give back to the NBL. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him at South East Melbourne. And I have nothing bad to say about the guy. He maxed out his potential, overcame his shortfalls and became an NBA champion. But maybe it's time to come to the NBL, maybe be the best Aussie guard here, and get some playing time as opposed to languishing on NBA benches.

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Isaac  
Last year

After this contract, he'll be 30. He isn’t a great shooter so he’ll be competing against prospects coming through who may offer a better mix of skills. BBIQ and shooting don’t really age. Hustle maybe? Speed, likely does. He has a $9m deal now.

I think the Bucks played 10-11 yesterday and he didn’t get a run. I don’t think NBL after his contract or so is an outrageous prediction, is it?

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Cram  
Last year

I don't think its outrageous at all. Having said that, I think it will be Delly's decision (much like Bogut).

One DNP-CD doesn't kill a career and I think Delly will get his chance during the season to show that he's still valuable.

With his reputation for hustle and being part of some very good teams, someone will give him a veterans minimum deal (at least) as a veteran presence/3rd PG (as mentioned above).

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Food for thought  
Last year

The question will be whether Delly prefers money or playing basketball, because he wont be getting minutes wherever he lands, and I think the answer will be playing basketball. And he will get a far better chance to do that and prolong his playing time in the NBL.

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Chris  
Last year

He scored in double figures 4 times last season, shot 36%, barely hits a 3, and is a career 39% shooter. He's not NBA standard and would not even be a star in the NBL. Only reason he is still there is that insane contract. There is nothing he does well. They'd be better off buying him out.

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Cram  
Last year

Anyone who saw him perform at the Olympics in Rio would know he'd be a star in the NBL.

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Reality  
Last year

Delly is a ahead of Exum for the boomers (at the moment) simply because in the FIBA game shooting ability is critical and Exum is easier to defend because of his lack of shooting.

Delly is a third string PG in the NBA which is awesome and he getting paid like a low level starter/back-up so good on him.

The best thing about Delly a other players love him so if he is reasonable productive and a good team mate those guys tend to find homes for a long time in the NBA even after on court production falls away.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Exum played very well yesterday(was better than Rubio). We willl know more by seasons end. Not sure Delly will get any minutes with Brogden, Bledsoe and divencenzo ahead of him.




I think this is a certain 11 for the WC. Just 1 guard spot open.

Simmons/Exum/Dellavedova
Mills/?
Ingles/Broekhoff/Adel
Maker/Bolden
Baynes/Bogut

Could be a lot of players playing out of position too. Might see ingles playing guard which might give creek a chance to make it over Goulding.

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Cram  
Last year

I don't think you could count guys like Adel, Bolden and Maker as certain yet. I think they're a very good chance, and probably the best choice, but not locks.

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Reality  
Last year

issue with playing simmonds and exum together is a complete lack of shooting.

We'd be looking at only Ingles as a +3point shooter thus Delly gets time ahead of Exum until he improves this part of his game, remember in FIBA there is no illegal defence rule so if you can;t shoot teams clog up the lanes

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Greggo  
Last year

That seems like pretty flawed logic. Firstly Delly isn't an amazing shooter, so you could put an actual shooter in.

Simmons
Broekhoff
Ingles
4
5

etc. I don't think Delly will have much of a role moving forward and if he does, it wont be as a shooter. Probably a low minute back up PG in our next Boomer stint. With the defensive lineups we will have moving forward you could almost go with a specialist shooter that doesn't do much else (Goulding/ Gliddon/ Caddee etc)

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Cram  
Last year

Delly is a good enough shooter at FIBA level. He works very well as a nominal PG next to Simmons. Patty is obviously the first choice, but Delly will likely be his back up. Exum can play as Simmons' back up. There's plenty of room for all of them to get minutes. We need those smaller guards defensively too.

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Cram  
Last year

I don't see a team with Simmons/Broekhoff/Ingles playing the 1-2-3 getting a lot of minutes. As I said in my post above, you need the smaller, quicker guards defensively. While Simmons plays the PG offensively, on D he usually picks up a wing or even a 4.

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Food for thought  
Last year

Delly would be a star in the NBL, period lol.

As for the Boomers line ups, I wouldn't worry too much about that. We've got guys who can do a bit of everything at every position and we are versatile enough to switch it up as we need. But Delly is clearly a lock for that team and it is silly to suggest otherwise. Delly and Bogut will probably come off the bench. And for those who scoff at the idea of Bogut, I say Bogut is a part of this team until someone takes the spot from him and no one has done it yet. Same goes for Delly. There is no one whose taken than 2nd or 3rd pg spot from him yet and I don't see it happening in the meantime.

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paul  
Last year

Kelly wouldn't necessarily put up huge numbers in the NBL but his teams would be much better off for having him, that's for sure.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Kelly"

hahahahahahahhaaha nice spelling kaul

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think ingles has proved he can guard the smaller guys.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think Delly to the NBL is possible, but like the chances that he gets another NBA contract. Bad teams have to take risks with young guys who might get good. Contenders do not want to run the risk that a guy at the end of the bench is going to cause problems. Delly is a known commodity in that sense and no locker room would ever have an issue with his presence. Given Lebron's history, it's not hard to see him ending up at the Lakers to mentor their young guards. I think there are at least half a dozen teams that would have interest in Delly at the veteran's minimum.

If he did come to the NBL in the next few years, he would be a dominant force. It's easy to forget in an NBA context because the league is so physically freakish, but Delly is 6'4" and physically stronger and mentally tougher than almost any NBL guard. He shoots just fine from the shorter line, is fantastic out of screening situations, and I don't buy that a guy who chased Curry all over the floor is going to struggle to keep up with anyone in the NBL. We're talking about him being 30 in 2020, not 35. How many NBL players will make the Boomers between now and 2020? Delly is a lock. He might never again be backup-calibre in the NBA, but there's a big gap between that and the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Simmons
Ingles
Broekhoff
Maker
Baynes

Exum
Mills
Adel
Bolden
Bogut

Dellavedova
Creek

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Hogwash  
Last year

Am I the only one who sees Maker and Bolden as still raw at this stage.?

Any other players who could play power forward eg. Motum.

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Cram  
Last year

I think Maker and Bolden need a lot of work and are by no means locks (as I mentioned above). Motum is a good option still.

I think we'll end up seeing a lot of line ups without a natural 4, for example Simmons-Ingles-Broekhoff-Baynes with one of Mills/Delly/Exum. These line ups would enable a lot of switching, be quick and have good balance.

I would be surprised if finishing line ups (if not starting)didn't feature that kind of alignment.

That's not to say those bigger players won't play at all, I just think with Simmons we can play smaller and still not give up the rebounding and size.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Without a natural 4? Isn't Baynes a natural 4? is it the 5 we are missing?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wouldn't call Baynes a 4. But I agree with Cram. Lineups of Mills/Exum, Broekoff, Ingles, Simmons, Baynes really covers off a lot of areas. We could defend most any team with that lineup plus offensive play off Baynes/Simmons PNR with Mills, Broekoff, Ingles spotting up. Pretty lethal. The only thing that would hurt is a guard with size & speed so may need Exum to defend them & sacrifice a big of shooting at the other end.

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Proud  
Last year

I love the idea of Bogut coming off the bench with 5 fouls in his back pocket, what he'd do for an extra foul in the Spain game!

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paul  
Last year

I think Simmons will guard 3s and 4s and play a similar offensive role to Bogut in Rio where he can use his passing skills as well as being in a position to score from the mid-post that's hard for help defence to cover.

Baynes/Bogut
Simmons/Maker/Bolden
Ingles/Broekhoff/Creek
Mills/Goulding
Dellavedova/Exum

The other player I think is a real chance is McCarron now he's shown he can play some PG, he gives real versatility, cover for an injured PG and solid D. He could grab the 11th or 12th spot.

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Anonymous  
Last year

No way simmons doesn't start at pg.

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paul  
Last year

He might carry the ball sometimes, but he ain't defending PGs, and he will be surrounded by shooters as much as possible. My money is on him being in a feeder spot more often than being the primary ball-handler.

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Reality  
Last year

The entire team is based around maximising Simmons as we only go as far as Simmons takes us!

Everyone else needs to fit around him and expect him to run the point on offence as he is clearly the best PG we've EVER had.

Others can guard the oppposing 1's thou hence Delly/Exum play that role.

No way a guy like McCarron even gets a look in with the guard/wing depth we now have and he isn't a plus defender/shooter at international level, basically he is Delly lite with the same onball skills


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Anonymous  
Last year

I think there are lots of ways Simmons doesn't start at PG. Including starting with a lineup like Delly/Exum/Broekhoff/Ingles/Simmons. People have listed that Broekhoff/Ingles/Simmons trio as switchy but Baynes takes some of that away. That lineup would struggle against a DeMarcus Cousins type, but the playmaking is off the charts and is properly switchable across 5 positions. It also negates Simmons' shooting issues by surrounding him with guys who can make shots. Iso him at the elbow in that group and what's your best case scenario for sending help? Open corner 3 for Dante?

Simmons with the ball in his hands is the other way to negate his non-shooting, so I think he'll play plenty at PG with a Delly/Exum/Mills running next to him (Patty has always been best at the 2 anyway and I think will thrive next to Simmons). But he doesn't 100% have to start there.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Simmons can guard 1-5 easy..
Not sure people even watch the NBA.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Reality, I agree that we should generally be built around Simmons. He is unique and therefore most effective if a team schemes to accommodate his strengths and weaknesses. I just don't think him at PG is the only way to do that.

I do agree that there's no need for someone like McCarron. We have 3 traditional PGs clearly ahead of him: Mills/Exum/Delly in whatever order. Then a guy who should play significant minutes there in Simmons, and a guy who can carry a PG's playmaking role in Ingles. McCarron at that point is surplus, even as an insurance policy. I'd rather take a Bolden/Maker who is different to the rest of the roster and might be able to come in and play a role that no one else can fill.

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robt  
Last year

I like most of what appears above but also wonder if another big might be prudent. Love Baynes/Bogut but Bogut's health/fitness worries me a little. In other threads, several contributors have (strongly) suggested that he would struggle (with health/injuries etc) during an NBL reason. But WC's and Olympics are virtual seasons, played within 2 weeks. Much more chance of mishap there, I think.
Motum is mentioned above and IMO Bairstow/Jervis/DJ/Ogilvey, one of them should be "insurance" in that position.
We are blessed with 1,2,3 combinations and of course Simmons can add to any position on the court but knowing the depth in all other positions, I really would like a "big" back-up, even if not used.
If we were to lose Bogut, especially early in the competiton/s, we would have problems covering the loss and still play "our" game plan. Someone else, who will have a different natural and expected/expectant role will have to change. Lose Baynes (say, through injury) and the problem really hits hard. Could we start Bogut and expect him to have the same influence he would deliver coming off the bench, or would Simmons/Maker sacrifice their game to fill the void.
Nothing at all wrong going 4-out/1-in, but I would want to, rather than be forced to.
No disrespect to Creek but I feel that the arguement against McCarron's inclusion applies to Creek, in this scenario. As good as Creekis, my feeling is that another big is more important.
Am I terribly off the mark?

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robt  
Last year

And, as this is a Delly thread, yes, he's definately in.

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