Declined so its SA state comp or nothing.
It would have required a change in by laws (Not easy to do) for Mount to be accepted and as Mount made it clear it would be a short term arrangement until they could get womens up and going before trying to go into the Elite league can't say it made much sense for that comp to alter everything for 1 team.
It really is u to BSA to step up together with BA and make sure Mount have a place to play.
Do we really want the Mount in the Premier League.
There's the cost and bother of going there albeit just once a season. Will their payroll be cut, otherwise they are just going to dominate the competition. If they do bring a women's team in they'll just recruit players locally probably and have to fly them out to play at home weakening the women's comp. I say its their problem.
Why can't they just play in the SA league??!
Qbl - massive amounts of travel
Big v divisions have country trips
SEABL had them
I’m unfamiliar with NSW travel in their leagues.
If they dominate, guess what, everyone get better?
Just proving the long held view of south Aus around the rest of the country, your team is called the 36ers because it’s the average amount of years you are behind the rest of us.
Nsw Waratah League travels to Newcastle, Wollongong, Maitland all 2-3 hour drives, some of the lower levels travel even further, Tamworth, Armidale, Bathurst etc, all substantial drives.
As some one who looks in from a long way from mount gambier, doesn't no how these basketball systems work it looks horrible that such a successful organisation can just be thrown out in the cold. It’s certainly not a good look for basketball or help it’s popularity going forward.
Sort it BA, it’s bull shit.
All well and good to say get better in order to compete against them, but majority of budgets here are dwarfed compared to theirs. They generate huge amounts of sponsorship. If they are brought back to earth with a salary cap then it would be fair.
Disgusting decision by BA and Vics. They have played there for 30 years and won numerous titles. 3 in the last 5 years
If you can't beat them get rid of them is what it looks like.
BA were told it would not be practical to play in the SA Premier League but they still went ahead with their stupid decision.
Agree with you on the decision to exclude them from the VIC elite league. Strange one and hope it is not permanent.
I think it was the right call not to let them into the BIGV though. They are in another state, setting a precedent that probably shouldn't be set.
"Letting Tassie Teams & Albury/Wodonga play"
- That's in the new Elite League. Not the Big V. Its been documented why they were't allowed in the new Elite league, which I believe was due to parity in not having a womens team.
- I'm also not sure how BV cop the blame for this, when BSA don't sem to be doing much to help out a member organisation in their own state. The Big V, as also mentioned has a by-law, stipulating Vic only clubs, so it would have been an exception to let them play in it. It's not on the Big V to admit them when their own governing body wont help them.
- Many Vic clubs don't "own" their stadiums either. Many paying high court fees for use. Most of the money is made from their domestic comps/junior rep fees & sponsors.
BA is to blame for letting Victorian clubs hijack the SEABL competition for their own benefit. BA have been piss weak and now a very strong basketball area has nowhere to play. Way to look after the sport you are supposedly meant to administer Basketball Australia.
wrong. pioneers would have has womens team in elite was included in application and financed. however exceptions have been made all of the league for others ie nwt dont have a womens team, lauceston dont have a mens and common sense sort of prevailed there. albury one year licence to get there house in order as they have proven for many years they cant have a competitve womens teams. financial issues also maybe? but given a year to prove themselves in elite. remeber pioneers are the only seabl team who applied (camberra and sydney women didnt) who did not get in. BA created the problem (cyncial view maybe at political pressure from bv) by disbanding a strong viable long history league. in doing so they only club adversely affected is pioneers. disgusting.
only solution is pioneers into elite. if you are saying play in PL clearly shows you have no understanding of the whole circumstances. no reason why cant still be accepted into elite. the application process changed throughout so just change it again. time for BA to grow a set.
The exclusion of MG from the elite comp after they were invited to apply and met all criteria and more is the problem in all of this.
The pioneers have proven their ability with performance and deserved the opportunity to show the same with a women's team. They are well run, financially sound, don't take money out of local basketball and were well on way to putting a good women's team together.
Yes they are isolated but certainly travel has not proven an obstacle for them or oponents in the past. 30 years must count for something.
I would have thought any competition wanting to put an "elite" tag on it would be doing everything possible to have the best performed men's team included. 5 of last 6 national finals - 3 championships. 13/2 play-off record over 5 seasons. Are the pioneers being punished for doing things well????
Issue for BSA clubs is that BSA already rent the courts or run comps themselves so clubs have no access to the facilities.
For example at Wayville,home of Forestville:
Mon-Thu BSA run miniball after school and social comps in the evenings. With some BSA competitions when available courts are needed.
On Friday nights they run miniball and then district comp
On Saturday they run District in the mornings and hire to Church Basketball for the afternoon.
On Sundays Forestville have practice but when needed BSA use this time for games.
Hence Forestville not only need to hire outside facilities at between $40/hour and $75/hour but also get $0 income from competition in their home stadium.
#451 - Have said before don't know much about the SA side of it. But find it somewhat hypocritical of a league/club/whoever to say "they can't come and play in our league because of A, B & C" for a club in their own state yet throwing mud at BV for not admitting them.
If BV excluded Mildura from their competitions because of one reason or another, would everyone expect BSA to jump in and save the day for Mildura?
#450 - Would fielding a competitive womens side in a new elite league be the bone of contention though ? I mean, having to build one from scratch with the season starting in 4 months would not be an easy task. If Mt Gambier could do this in such a short period of time, hen why have they not created a womens team prior to this ? Genuione questions, as I have no knowledge of their workings.
#448 - What did the Victorian clubs do to "hijack" the league ?
The whole SEABL competition was strange any way.
Who actually run the league prior to BA? What was the management structure?
Can it be called a national championship when not every state is even involved..... I guess its a bit like the World Series, only the US play in it i suppose.
It really has just become an arms race, similar to that which destroyed local football in Victoria. Maybe there needs to be a salary cap and points system put in like the footy to force teams to develop from within there own junior programs and not just buy in players to win a championship then they move on to the next cash cow. It is not really a even playing field right now.
Feel very sorry for the Mt Gambier people who play, support and administer basketball.
Pioneers is a very well run club. And were willing to make numerous concessions in order to play in the elite league.
There is no practical reason for their exclusion.
The real reason appears to be a desire by some (or many) of the Vic teams and BV to simply get rid of them.
Generous servings of jealousy and pettiness appear to be prevalent.
The Pioneers (and Mt Gambier community) have been very badly let down by their fellow SEABL teams and Basketball Australia, whose lack of leadership is disturbing.
BV is very well resourced and powerful but unfortunately appears to be unwilling to provide genuine leadership.
The way this sorry process has played out reflects very poorly on the quality of leadership in basketball at the highest levels.
The unfortunate outcome - the Pioneers are left isolated and struggling to find a way to survive.
Then this is a BSA issue as to why a club within SA isn't allowed into their league. Not victoria’s BigV, didn’t meet criteria for new league due to women’s.
I think it’s as shit as anybody else and that they should have gotten into new league , even bigV as they only have 9 teams in SCM. But they haven’t and BSA should grow a pair and stop the tail wagging the dog.
perhaps look at how all this started and might shed light on who at fault.
It started as Seabl clubs delegate to four reps to prepare a report on future. That is provided to ba. It recommended that ba return the league to the clubs as has been the case for all but 3 or 4 years of the leagues history.
It seemed that ba had two choices either keep things the same or hand the league back to Seabl.
Rather than do that though what ba did was say no we will run the league for one year more and then we will not sanction which killed the league.
Suggestion that they did so because of pressures from the states over the years as to why they were running a league and or sanctioning a state based league as those clubs should be playing within there state. But in reality this pressure was from only one state, you guess which one.
Ba decided to kill of the Seabl without doing any due diligence on whether it was even possible for the non Victorian teams to play in a viable state based league.
The ones at fault for this mess is ba who succumb to the pressures from BV who were getting pissed about the fact each year more clubs were leaving the vic league for Seabl and thus diminishing the vic leagues.
I don't get what is so hard.
Really, at present the only ones adversely effected are Mount gambier who agreed to meet all the ridiculous demands of BV but were still chucked out!
BSA run a metro competition, not the country one. That would be for SAC.
Note: by the census Mt Barker is considered a metropolitan area.
And due to the set up, and BSA taking all the money from stadiums and competitons, the clubs can't afford to play in reigonal areas due to cost.
Terrible result for all concerned in Mount but can't blame the vics despite the tall poppy syndrome those in SA have.
BA started this mess and now it really is up to BSA to admit them as last i checked Mount is in SA?...so i can;t see how the narrow minds in SA can blame the Vic's for this but then again its easier to blame others than look at BSA and fix whatever the hell you call that poor excuse for a state association.
Also the clubs in Adelaide could get this over the line and accept Mount but that won't happen as its still 1982 and everyone is worried about self interest rather than the actual game! Hell the state even still has a church league which was ditched by everyone else forever ago!
Not all clubs are flush with money. As mentioned in previous posts, the cost of flying at least 24 players, coaches and support staff plus accommodation for 1 game is ridiculous. Not all clubs have huge junior programs where they can siphon off money from fees to support the seniors. So guess where this extra money will come from, probably junior fees of course.
What BA has done is terrible, but should it be up to Adelaide clubs to pick up the pieces.
To do a bus is approx $170 per person on stateliner
With 30 people. 12 players and 3 coaches per team. That's $5k
Accommodation would be approx 20 [email protected] $150 for the night at Mt Gambier hotel. There is another $3k
And incidentals and you are looking at approx $10k.
Some clubs wouldn’t be spending that on their playing Budget.
20 rooms for 30 people? I thought you were trying to save money.
SEABL teams routinely travelled interstate with only 10 people per team - including coaches (8+2 or 9+1). Sleep 2-3 to a room, making 4 rooms per team. $170 a head for bus? For Mount Gambier you hire a bus or you car pool. As an AC, I drove myself the 6 hours from Melb to MTG and slept on a floor.
People need to stop making up stupid numbers to suit their dumb arguments.
Why should players have to wear the brunt of petrol for that long road trip. Sure a bus could be hired but imagine that would cost a fair bit for 20+ people for a round trip. Depending on the setup having 2 to a room is ok, but having to cram players in a room is amateur. And this bullshit of sleeping on a floor, yeah, that's a great idea.
the pioneers have done that sort of stuff for every year of their existence. a couple of people movers load em up fill em up with fuel and off you go. some trips to ballarat and geelong (4 hours each way) they drive over play the game and coaches or managers drive home. when to melbourne and have double headers have stayed in cheap motels. it is very hard but can have great bonding experiences for the team.
this occurs every year for pioneers depending on the draw sometimes a couple of weekends in a row.
unless you are bendigo and you charter your own flight road travel was king for regional teams.
Plus BV, your hypocrisy in allowing the Tasmanian teams to stay in your new comp. just highlights what a hatchett job you did to Mt. Gambier. You can't justify your decision to remove them in any way shape or form. Purely vindictiveness on your part, and BA are pathetic in sitting back and allowing it to happen. Trying to muddy the waters with 'BSA should take them' to deflect is crap. Why should BSA have to clean up a mess you created?
People say the "Vics" let in the Tassie clubs...you might find BA pushed very hard for that to happen including funding assistance as those clubs had no viable state league.
The Big V league (Not Elite) wold require a significant change in by laws which member clubs of Victoria would need to be consulted on and admission granted by the member clubs. such a knee jerk change in by laws opens up other problems for the league and its management who regulary get requests frm clubs they knock back siting the by laws!
So its obviously why Big V don't want the problems this would cause for a short term club that isn't even a member of there state!
Lets face it BSA now needs to get this mess sorted as the cards have been dealt so either fix it or the Pioneers are no longer.
So if Mt. Gambier are purely BSA's problem by your reasoning on a state basis, can you please explain why BV are accepting Tasmanian clubs?? Clearly it seems there are rules for some and not others. Let's cut the crap and just admit what it is. Victorians didn't want Mt. Gambier in the league for whatever their small minded bullsit reasons are. Quite happy to have Tasmanian clubs though, but not a very successful long term SEABL club who just happens to be inside the SA border.
You've thrown a very well run, loyal, SEABL club out in the cold, wiped you're hands of them and say it's now BSA's problem. Well done.
Most likely because there is no alternative within their state.
Again, not saying this isn't bs and mt gambier aren’t getting the raw end of it it.
But it’s done, how long do you sit and cry about it before you find a solution to the current situation? The possible solution is to join the league, within the state they are currently in?
Blame to people who put you in this situation all you want, it won’t change anything unfortunately. No matter how right you are.
No, it's not the possible solution.
The Adelaide based teams will just NOT allow it to happen.
OK? Got it?
Pioneers absolutely shafted by BA and BV.
No one interested in working with them to find a solution.
Absolutely pointless saying what should happen.
Pioneers will be history.
Then this is sad. And no one is disagreeing that this is a terrible situation.
Reflects terribly that Adelaide teams won't travel once a season, god forbid may even have to drive their own cars in a semi pro league.
Reflects terribly that a state body can’t accept a club within their own state.
Reflects terribly that the new league took teams from tassie and not SA.
BigV can’t exactly go and change a constitution for one season to suit a team out side of Victoria, change name to BigV+1?
Again look at D2 bigV, Mildura trip has been a staple for nearly a decade now.
Not all D2 clubs are flying guys up, some fly, some bus, some even drive.
SBL in Perth with Kalgoorlie etc.
BA, BV and BSA have all screwed this up majorly, but as always, no consequences will come of it.
No, it's not the possible solution.
The Adelaide based teams will just NOT allow it to happen.
OK? Got it?
Pioneers absolutely shafted by The Adelaide Clubs, and BasketballSA, who have refused to look after/support a club in their state.
No one interested in working with them to find a solution.
Absolutely pointless saying what should happen.
Pioneers will be history.
** There. Fixed it for you **
Interesting that some (I assume) South Australians here cite that BV have "shafted" MtG by refusing to let them play, yet are also stating that the Adelaide clubs also refuse to let them play, but don't need to be held accountable? It's just BV's fault.
BV's priority is towards its member Associations. Unlike others on here, I don't claim to know what's going on behind the scenes, so for whatever reason the Tas clubs have been admitted to play. I would assume this would be because they wouldn't have a viable State League to compete in.
Mt Gambier do. Whether or not they are "allowed" to by the Adelaide clubs or BSA, or whoever, is not BV's responsibility, or problem.
Blame BV all you want. BSA & the other SA Clubs are the ones letting MtG down.
Haven't heard much from BNSW or the Waratah League complaining about the addition Canberra trips ?
The Elite league isn't being run under the Big V by laws so the vic's screwed us argument is a cop out.
BA are the blame re the SEABL folding but blaming the Vic's after that is narrow minded typical SA stuff that results in an SA based team not playing in there own state league...oh wait that's really happening!
Then again this is the state that bought you the one way free way...toot toot!
Yep, and there it is again. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Fact still remains BV shafted Mt. Gambier by not letting them in to their 'Elite' comp., despite them meeting the criteria. Why??? And before the bandwagoners start sprouting lack of a women's team (which the Mt. were organising and guaranteed would be ready to go), where is the consistency in allowing Launceston in with no men's team?? If Mt. Gambier are not allowed in because they are in SA and it's a 'Victorian' comp., why are Tasmanian teams allowed in? Double standards all over this. It's just piss weak to shaft Mt. Gambier and then put all the attention on BSA to mask the bullshit BV and BA have done.
Reality again with the State League crap. SA has no State League. There's a "Premier League" which is metro based.
SA is unique and always has been.
If BA are assisting the Elite comp and Tas teams to play in that comp, BA should assist MtG to play somewhere as well.
For the millionth time. Tasmania does not had a legitimate state league for those teams to play in. The NWBU is like most of the Big V and glorified rubbish, therefore if they don't play in the elite league all those Tassie teams die.
For the smart ones playing at home, Launceston Women, NWT Mens, gee look they will follow each other around on road trips to pick up the double. Not a hard concept to follow. MTG have a legitimate state league to join (although it is barely Waratah standard across the board), the only thing holding it back are the current 10 clubs and B Adel who refuse to A let a better team into their competition and B refuse to travel once a year. What I find funny is most other leagues in the country players have to drive to rural games. When SA players like Johns, Larkins, Teys, Creek etc have played in other leagues I have never heard one player say oh Im not driving to Bendigo, I'm not driving to there. Grow a set B Adel and instead of spending on dud imports invest in your own state for a change.
@Anon - Remember BV didn't know this was coming when it got thrown at them to organised in matter of weeks and in the end beleive it or not the BV took advice and feedback from member clubs (i.e vic clubs!) who vote/have say on these issues and with guidance from BA accepted the tassie teams into the league as well.
Mount have a state league to play in so if you don't want to admit that SA can actually help itself rather than have a hand out to every other state just like you do when it comes to most other things that the eastern states prop you up in then thats your call.
Above, read above your post. All everyone is doing here is applying the Vic landscape to SA's so they can wipe their hands of Mt. Gambier without feeling shitty. They are different models. F'knows why BV feel beholden to rescue Tasmania. Maybe they should get their act together and get a viable comp.
As also stated above BNSW have accepted Canberra into the Waratah without even a blimp on the radar. But you talk about PL accepting MTG and its world war 3, we have no money, they are too good, we can't afford the travel, the sky is falling. Ridiculous.
What part of 'SA don't have a state league' don't you understand? It is a different competition model entirely. Based on clubs in the METROPOLITAN area. People keep applying the Vic model to SA's as a way to wipe their hands of Mt. Gambier. NO worries, BSA will just change their structure to clean up the mess that BV and BA created. Maybe making sure that Mt. Gambier had somewhere to play first before you kicked them out would've been prudent. Oh that's right you gave them hope by inviting them to apply then shafting them twice. I think they get the hint.
No it doesn't, but it should.
Which is on BSA to provide. Not BV.
If the state governing body cannot supply a competition for its member associations to compete in, then there needs to be some vicious change sin the way Basketball in SA operates.
Blaming Vic Basketball for the BSA's short comings in running the game there is the true deflection.
WA, QLD, NSW, VIC all seem to be able to run a state based basketball competition.
What's SA's excuse ?
The main problem is the difference in standard between SEABL and Premier League. Mt Gambier would wipe the floor with all of the Premier League clubs, if they retain the same standard of players. They would have a budget at least 6 times higher than most Premier League clubs
Most of the Premier League clubs could not raise the money to compete with Mt Gambier, so they either have to lower their standards or thrash every Premier League team. Either solution is bad for Basketball in Aust.
SEABL was a lot higher standard and Mt's should be able to play in a similar standard League, regardless of what it is called and who runs it.
Why would they keep the same standard of player, surely they would lose better players to stronger leagues. There for reducing playing talent and bringing them back to the pack.
This might be BA fault for pulling the pin, but I just find it strange that a home state association isn't willing to stick up for its own
a. Basketball in SA is backwards and out of sync with the rest of the country
b. People administrating basketball in SA are self interested and unwilling to change
c. As a result SA associations aren't being sufficiently represented/supported
Which also means that maybe it needs fresh blood. Maybe it's time people from outside SA take over and held the game and the clubs in SA progress
You say bnsw just accepted in Canberra which is yet another example of a state not concerning themselves with state boundaries. For those struggling Canberra is not in nsw. But yet bnsw denied the Sydney Seabl women's team entry into the Waratah.
Ba disbanded Seabl and said they did so because they wanted the teams to go back to there state leagues to play in. Yet there has not been one of those Seabl teams that has gone back into their state leagues accept Mount gambier and sa are being abused for not going back to a state league.
Name one Seabl club that has gone back to a state league.
If Mt Gambier so desperately want the SEABL competition, why didn't they form an alliance with the other SEABL clubs and take over the league?
Maybe the other clubs wanted to wind back out of the SEABL competition? Having spoken to several players over the years from several clubs, travelling to Tassie, Canberra, Sydney, Mt Gambier is a whole away from family, work, schooling etc.
In reality these players are not living of playing hoops in SEABL, they have to have an income to live. If i had an employee that need to take off every second friday how productive is that for my company?
At some point in your live, work, family, friends, lifestyle have to take over and traveling all over the country 'for the fun' only last so long. Clubs then need to spend more to keep players, but funds are not always easily obtained in a lot of communities.
There are also heaps of other sports that people can compete in now that didnt exist 30 years ago when SEABL started. Maybe it just ran its course??? IDK
No player was forced to play seabl, if you don't want to play top level because of work and family play the mid week scocial comp.
Mount Gambier have been screwed, who knows why is still a mystery to me no matter how much I’ve read on this site.
Basketball as usual run by amateurs.
The Seabl clubs which included Mount gambier did form an alliance and told ba that they wanted seabl handed back to them to administer as they had done for more than thirty years. That's when ba said no we are not running it and you can’t either as we won’t sanction it.
If you don’t want the travel because of other commitments play in a lower league. By the way not all games required travel ion friday. If that’s as the issue don’t play Friday night games as Mount can and would play Saturday games if required.
I guess what your saying re Canberra being outside of nsw is that "ok technically, but they are close enough and have always been associated with nsw" do you know where Mount gambier is? Do you know how close it is to the boarder? Do you know that Mount has been for ever and a day associated with Victorian Competitions in. Unwrought sports not to mention business. Mount gambier currently do compete in Victorian basketball competitions. I’m guessing that’s what you mean by making arguments to suit. Or perhaps it’s not making anything to suit cos it’s fact.
I think you'll find a good chunk of Vics would happily accommodate MtG in their competition. For whatever reason, the Elite & BigV have chosen otherwise. So be it. AS I've written before, I'd have liked to see it.
Me, and I'm sure a lot of other people, specifically Victorians I suppose, are blown away by the unwillingness of anyone else in SA to help an SA club and place all the blame on Vic. Yet they don't even have a competition to accommodate a town in their own state ?
Seriously ? The suggestions that SA run a state league, similar to what is working across the rest of the country is "Ridiculous" because of 100 point blowouts? That's your argument ?
- As someone mentioned above, if an SA Metro club can suit 3 x NBL players, I'm sure they'd compete ok against Mt Gambier. IF they kept their same roster.
- So you have your 10 existing teams + Mt Gambier. That's a good start wouldn't you say ? A second division could then be created for other clubs and to get their foot in the door and go from there. I know it sounds "Ridiculous", but it might just work, considering it does in the other States.Even if their are teething problems.
The fact is, you have BV saying "MtG have no place in our comps", with the South Australians hurling abuse over the border, but also saying "MtG have no place in our comp".
Why can't the rebel clubs form an unsanctioned leave, to be honest I'm totally ignorant as to why. Rugby League did, cricket did. If clubs with cash such as the Mount set it up, have venues, get refs etc, why not. Or is the tail wagging the dog with BA saying you can't do it.
Surely this could provide framework for a 2nd division national league. Have pioneers, tassie, a few Victorian, nsw, Queensland and even a New Zealand. Have 6 teams, home and away and then have a neutral venue that other towns can host and pay travel costs.
And again what state league do sa have.
I am certain that Canberra have a basketball league that is solely played in Canberra yeah it might be a social comp and only exist within Canberra but hey let's call it a territory league. Let’s not worry if Canberra are used to playing in a much higher comp.
Same argument for Tasmania. Basketball Tasmania even promote on there Facebook page on 18 November the final game of their state league. It’s even called a state league!! But yet it seems to matter for the Tasmanian teams that that league is not of a standard the Seabl teams are used too or presumably so.
Yet you are all trying to argue that pioneers should be in a league which is solely based in da regardless of standard etc.
How does the trump comment also not apply to Albury or Canberra (playing in nsw) before you say Albury has always been considered Victorian answer why they are still fighting for official affiliation and why you are at answer why if Victorian they could not apply for the elite league with the Victorian teams but rather had to wait to receive an invitation to apply with the other non Victorian teams.
There are so many contradictions made or allowed to suit an argument to exclude Mount.
The simple way to fix it all is to just allow them entry to the elite league.
Understand the wodonga part but if BV consider them a vic team why didn't they get invite with vic teams but got it with non vic teams. Only answer is because BV don’t consider them a vic team.
How do you propose they improve it.
It would have been a great opportunity for Tasmania to improve there state league too. And Canberra but common sense prevailed it should with respect to pioneers too.
And further more.
It would lead to Mt Gambier becoming totally dead within 5-10 years.
They haven't produce players of PL standard and all their roster are SA metro players other than 2 who don’t play and aren’t at that level.
If you took Daly (Sturt) Burdon (North) Sutton (Forestville) Hill (Sturt/Eastern) McDaniels (Sourthern) our of their team they’d be a shell of their current self.
Their entire recruiting practice has been taking fringe NBL guys and putting them into a fringe competition. No reason for anyone to play for them in the competition they are already in.
No one would move there to play for them when they can stay at home and a) go to Uni or b) get a career which isn’t available in a town that size.
And they would be even worse at getting a women’s team together.
SA doesn’t have country towns big enough to sustain teams as they are 25k max in population.
As has shown by their history and demise across all levels from AJC to Premier League SA are inflexible, resistant to change and will forever be behind every other state. What is the definition of insanity? doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This is SA basketball. They went down the 2 imports path before and it nearly sent everyone broke. They went back to the well and again they are all struggling. Stop trying to enter an arms race none of you have a clue how to manage and invest in South Australian basketball.
#790 because there are issues with transfer for players, import issues, registration of players, insurance, umpires wouldn't come across to umpire one game a week if then prevented from umpiring sanctioned leagues, venue availability, to name but a few issues.
Seabl was not meant to be a state league, it was supposed to the best winter league so bench and fringe nbl players could play against the best earning a couple bucks to feed them selves.
Ten elite teams should fund there own comp and stuff all of BA, BV and South Australia.
Non-SA folks, please understand that the the good people of metropolitan Adelaide have little interest in or knowledge of the Pioneers.
There is no investment in them as a 'representative' of SA. There is no enthusiasm to help them out by bringing them into the Adelaide based league.
The Pioneers existed to be part of the multi state but Vicorian centric league that was SEABL.
As a result of the conspiring by BV and some Vic based associations, along with the indolence of BA, the Pioneers have been left in a hole.
Can only hope that there is some karma out there, awaiting the the conspirators.
Anonymous - and further more!
To suggest that the Pioneers have not produced a player of PL standard is a slight on a number of players and incorrect. 2 Locally born and bred players more than held their own at SEABl level this season, starting and putting up good numbers on a number of occasions. Others have moved to Adelaide and played premier league including a number of young women. Two Pioneers developed players have made Australian junior teams and squads, one leading a national u/18 championship in scoring and many have repped SA at u/20 level. The Pioneers certainly have recruited from Adelaide which clearly makes sense as all SEABL clubs have recruited from outside their areas. The Pioneers have provided fringe and potential NBL players the opportunity to play at a high level - mostly South Australians. Not sure what is negative about this. This avenue to higher level competition is now over. Many losers in this.
Anon please go let your parents know they forgot to switch the internet off and go to bed.
Also to iamverysmart poster above, from Basketball Australia "As a referee or umpire (yes, there is one of each, however their duties are almost identical)".
Almost like it really doesn't matter what you call them.
SA always blaming everyone else as per the norm.
Enjoy the "premier league" LOLZ or better still enjoy watch the Mount Gambier Lakers in the CBL for the coming years as that looks like the only representative comp the town will be represented and you can thank BSA for not allow as team within its own state for allowing it to happen.
No Sk. pioneers can thank Ba for disbanding the league for absolutely no reason other than succumbing to the pressure of BV criticising them for running and sanction a non state based league. But now BV want them to sanction a non state based league but it's ok cos now they have the control back.
How can you not understand that this total f**k up has nothing to do with bsa.
The wrong can very simply be righted by just accepting pioneers into elite where they should have been all along.
You might if you accepted you made a mistake or had let them down badly and were big enough to admit that and went about doing everything possible to right the wrong.
Or you might if you thought the aggrieved party would just cop it and disappear quietly and they haven't.
Or you might if it was going to impact you in a negative manner if you didn’t fix it.
BV are entitled to act for/represent the interests of its members. If the member clubs wanted control of SEABL back, were told by BA that this wasn't going to happen as BA wouldn't continue to sanction the league, they are/were completely entitled to walk away and form their own league. They weren't obligated to play in the SEABL.
And if that meant banding together forming a new league under BV, they're allowed to do that, and they did do that. Ultimately BV and the Vic based clubs are only responsible for themselves, but if they also decided to throw out a lifeline to TAS teams, they're allowed to do that too. Certainly they weren't obligated.
BSA on the other hand does have obligations towards associations within SA. You can't palm that responsibility off onto BV, or to the Vic clubs just because it might be inconvenient to other clubs in SA. And if BSA doesn't have a responsibility to look after their member associations, including ensuring they have a suitable competition to play in, well then they're not fit for purpose.
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