Jack Toft
Last month

Sydney v Perth Jan 27

Last time these teams played Perth was top and Sydney won by the skinniest of margins on the road. Now Sydney are top and Perth are on the road, will Perth win by 1, too?

Perth look a good team when Cotton is firing and Perth look unbeatable when Bogut is dominating the key.

NBL fans don't need an excuse to fire up the Barbie and throw on a prawn. The NBL has dished up extra onions for the fans sausage sangas this round and this game will pile it on.

But after the Barbie, comes the pavlova on Australia Day. Let’s pile into the pav while the Pussycat fans have a tear in their eye.

Today, the winner is.... Sydeney!

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Anonymous  
Last month

after one lucky win due to their refs followed by an easy win over a team that did not come to play I think the arrogant cats are already ahead of themselves and will get a reality check. kings 1-2-3 spots will run rampant in a double digit win

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Flop Warning  
Last month

Some early anon salt.

Gotta love it. I can smell the fear from here

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Hogwash  
Last month

What team does the salty anon support?

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Luuuc  
Last month

Bit desperate trying to extract some more mileage from the pork chop thing

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Kings' offence looks stagnant and not crashing the boards. Will need to improve these 2 areas.

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Anonymous  
Last month

White is terrible.

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Flop Warning  
Last month

Lol what the heck Mayberry.

How do you guess sooo badly

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wildcats were doing great until White started getting the ball. Put steindl on.

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Luuuc  
Last month

Ughh... hate this start. Offence is back to meh mode.

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Kevin Booth  
Last month

Heal really likes calling out Maybury by name doesn't he.

Not that I necessarily disagree.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I agree Kevin Booth

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Flop Warning  
Last month

Was a pretty shocking call from Mayberry. He saw a away from Martin and just blew the whistle. Even though Martin missed making contact by about 30cm.

I have no issues with commentators calling out refs personally when they make obvious horrible calls

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Kevin Booth  
Last month

might be a disgruntled investor.

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Flop Warning  
Last month

A swat from Martin*

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Telephone Lisch  
Last month

LOL could be

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Anonymous  
Last month

Kings get ting a armchair ride by the refs

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

How was that not a travel by Wagstaff? Called jump ball.

He moved laterally, and moved both legs.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Perth should be up by 10

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wag staff of tester years

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Flop Warning  
Last month

We got wear into form a few weeks ago. And now Syd are returning the favour by getting Wagstaff into form

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Anonymous  
Last month

Terico is struggling

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Has Terrico White always had the weird hairdo, or have I just not noticed it in past games cause he doesn't do much on court?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Brandt is destroying bogut

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Flop Warning  
Last month

King's making lots of stupid fouls ATM.

Gonna really upset those anons who only look at the stat numbers to assume how biased the refs are

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Anonymous  
Last month

Gaze done a good job with Adnam, playing great.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No Bogut no kings.

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Luuuc  
Last month

Why would you go hard at a Terrico 3P attempt? Even wide open his percentage sucks.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No Bogut no kings.

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Anonymous  
Last month

What a drubbing

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Anonymous  
Last month

Perth has beaten Melbourne, Adelaide and now Sydney could be next. The sleeping giant out west starting rumble

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Btown  
Last month

A team vs a team of individuals

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Anonymous  
Last month

Usetahoop, can you please critique Jervis' haircut too? He needs a boost.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Norton was calf not Achilles is it?

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Rocks a good beard.

He's also doing ok without a follicular critique.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Anyone who wrote of Perth are idiots, lol Williams. They are well coached have great assistant coaches. They get home court advantage and they will be champions.
Kay and Brandt going at Bogut was very clever, Bogut in foul trouble and kings gone.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Above

Almost everyone here writes "of" Perth. They're a love 'em or hate ‘em thing.

Your other predictions may well be proven correct.

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Flop Warning  
Last month

King's almost look like they have given up. Where is the energy

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Btown  
Last month

Cats going at Bogut looking to get him in foul trouble.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Hinge= deflated.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Kings = deflated

Stupid autocowreck.

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Anonymous  
Last month

8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists for Kay so far, could snag a triple double

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Anonymous  
Last month

Is Matt Russell retarded??? "Umpire says it was your own man, well that suggests otherwise" Yeah because Bogut would go up and block his teammates dunk attempt wouldn't he you idiot.

NBL is just amateur

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Anonymous  
Last month

Perth's defence is unreal

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Barry Ballbag  
Last month

Son't know why NBL use commentators who don't understand the game. They should recruit Dennis Cometti and give their commentary some credibility.

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J  
Last month

That has to be the 3 worst consecutive possessions!!

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AngusH  
Last month

Tempted to leave the arena at the 3rd Q break. What a depressing performance.

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Anonymous  
Last month

That whole 3rd quarter was junk from both teams.

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Anonymous  
Last month

We look better without Bogut. At least there is an inside presence.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Turner another JVG great addition, they went to Pineau ahead of him, Turner gets on a minute to go end third and no surprise turn it straight over, look at all the stats before you employ players. The sooner JVG goes the better the kings will be, spent millions over three seasons and without Bogut this season wouldn't make finals. Bogut might be the saviour still but probably next season after a clean out.

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Sydneyworld  
Last month

Why did we sign a third import?I've been saying for weeks that we shouldn’t get one.

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J  
Last month

Perth reminding us how they gave up all those leads...

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Luuuc  
Last month

That whole 3rd quarter was junk from both teams.

Ditto so far in the 4th.
Trash.
Cats leaving the door open.

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Flop Warning  
Last month

What was gaze going on about while pointing at Damo?

Was making coffee and didn't hear it. Don't wanna rewind till after the game

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

FW

No one seems to care.

Caffeinated, you will now have more energy than there is evident in the game.

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Btown  
Last month

Steindl making it splash.

What if gaze misses finals again

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Flop Warning  
Last month

Does seem that way. Hasn't been a great game to watch. I'm happy we will get the win.

I'll just wait till the game is finished and find out for myself ;)

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Anonymous  
Last month

Perth has a 27 lead against Adelaide as well

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Luuuc  
Last month

Cats left the door open and the Kings were just like "Hell no. We're not remotely interested."

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AussiePride  
Last month

There is still time! Ray Turner has got this!

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Flop Warning  
Last month

Lol luuuc.

Sad thing is, that's strangely accurate. No idea why king's seemed to give up sooo early

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Luuuc  
Last month

Someone please shoot this game and put it out of its misery

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sunday dench is not nbl ready

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Ray Turner with his patented Bulldozer play= no call

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Anonymous  
Last month

*YAWN*

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Anonymous  
Last month

Cotton player of the game? Nah.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Let's be real 20 point score board flatters the kings. Perth were at least 30 plus points better

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Anonymous  
Last month

Where's Perthworld at?

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AngusH  
Last month

Turner and Deng the only Kings who showed any hustle tonight. Two terrible home performances in a row, and I'm now wondering if missing the playoffs is worth it just to say goodbye to JvG and Gaze.

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AngusH  
Last month

Oh and Bowen... Christ. Consistently loses his mean in the weakside and gave up 4 open threes to Steindl and Wagstaff tonight, at least.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If Turner and Deng make you happy you're in for a lot hurt. Newley plus minus is always respectable, should play 35 minutes even if his offence has gone off. Bogut, the same, Lisch as well. Randle doesn’t seem to happy but is a scorer, after that try fill the holes on game to game rotation.
If the above fire all together kings still a chance but don’t think they can win back to back games in semi final situations.

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Jack Toft  
Last month

Exciting first quarter, but Kings looked out of it after that

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MACDUB  
Last month

Perth hot favourites for the title. Theirs to lose TBH.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last month

Perth will not win the title without Norton, and he's done for the season

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PeterJohn  
Last month

FWIW, among the top 5 teams Sydney have the worst win-loss record against other top 5 teams. Here's each team's W-L against the current top 5 teams:

Perth 7-6
Melbourne 6-6
Sydney 5-7
Brisbane 8-6
Adelaide 6-7

Sydney will owe making finals to doing very well against the bottom 3 teams (9-2 at the moment) and to owning Brisbane (3-0 at the moment).

Sydney have also lost their second game of the round in each of their last 4 rounds with 2 games (i.e., since Xmas). The one second game they won was against Cairns, by 4 points.

These things make wonder whether Sydney have the game and the legs to win a 3 game semi final series against Perth, Melbourne or Adelaide?

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Anonymous  
Last month

If Perth get the top spot even without Norton they will win it. I can't see them now that they are rolling with that suffocating defence losing 2 twice in Perth

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AD  
Last month

Gaze is hopeless. It's the same old story: When things go according to plan, they go well. As soon as things go bad, he's unable to recover, actually makes them worse. One of his time-outs was telling, he's going off his nut, giving out dozens of instructions, and nobody paying the slightest attention. Dead Coaching Walking.

How do you finish the first half running your bench?

And yes, they are far too reliant on Bogut. Sure Bogut's a great player, and that's allowed them to thin up front, but why risk it? Give him a decent partner, and they could have been absolutely smashing it. One brick does not make a wall.

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Zodiac  
Last month

These things make wonder whether Sydney have the game and the legs to win a 3 game semi final series against Perth, Melbourne or Adelaide?


I was just thinking before if not for Sydney & Cairns the 36ers record this season wouldn't be flattering.

vs Syd 3-1
vs Melb 1-1*
vs Perth 1-2*
vs Bris 1-3

vs Ill 2-2
vs NZ 1-2*
vs Cairns 3-0*

6-1 vs Sydney & Cairns, 6-10 against everyone else.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Where's Perthworld at?

Wow, it's the way it shatters that matters! Classic Gaze coaching took a month longer for the Kings to fade away compared to last season. No team looks legit at the moment, kind of strange league currently with a bunch of pretenders, an aging Utd and a random Cats team.

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Anonymous  
Last month

its not random
the coach is shit
gm is weak
team has no heart and is cooked
front office is cheap
playoffs streak is over
fanbase is pathetic for accepting it all

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Anonymous  
Last month

I don't know about fan base taking it all, the kings supporters I know have been complaining since the organisation came in and promised finals. Not sure what a supporter is supposed to do.

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Unsportsmanlike  
Last month

Bogut seems too be sulking more than normal the last couple of games?

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Flop Warning  
Last month

That first anon was talking about the cats not king's I think @2nd anon

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Lovebroker  
Last month

I don't know about fan base taking it all, the kings supporters I know have been complaining since the organisation came in and promised finals. Not sure what a supporter is supposed to do.


playoffs streak is over


I would have hoped that when you read the sentence above, you would ascertain the anon was talking about the Perth Wildcats.

Ironically, Sydney's non-playoff streak looks over too.


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Anonymous  
Last month

"Bogut seems too be sulking more than normal the last couple of games?"

You'd be pissed too if you were watching Gaze and JVG flush your legacy down the crapper.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Perth played the long con. Let Ware have a good game in Perth when his career was on the line.

Sydney believe the hype and keep him.

Now they are screwed for the playoffs coz Ware is useless.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wear

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Anonymous  
Last month

We'ar

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wore

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Luuuc  
Last month

Where

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Btown  
Last month

Championship between Perth and Melbourne. Sydney's reliance on individual brilliance won't win a series.

Let's hope these 2 teams don't meet in the first round or finals will be a flop.

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J  
Last month

Sydney look tired, but have the 2 week fiba break before playoffs, which their old legs will no doubt appreciate. Perth haven't played over 50% effort for a couple of months, and have an injury to motivate them now. I had this down as a schedule loss for Perth, the heavy mins for cotton and kay, on top of the norton injury, happily surprised. Terrico the x factor for Perth, him and steindl hitting shots means perth actually has floor spacing!!!

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Violet Crumble  
Last month

It might just be me, but is Bogut's lack of mobility and shooting touch sometimes a hindrance for the Kings? He doesn’t really help on the o-boards much because of his lack of athleticism, and when no one else is crashing (looking at Kickert and Wear mostly, as they are playing at the 4), and despite his high IQ on the perimeter as a passer/screener, he doesn’t roll as hard to the rim as you’d want, allowing his man to help show. So many possessions ending with long 2s from Randle and Lisch (compounded by Newley’s poor outside shooting as of late). Then teams go to a zone, and the Kings just really struggle, with no real purpose to their sets beyond soft passes around the perimeter.

And on defence, Bogut tends to sag. Guys who are crafty in the midrange like Kay can definitely take advantage of that, plus Bogut isn’t very good whenever you can force him to switch - he just slinks back towards the rim and doesn’t really seem to body guys crashing the boards.

I was surprised Perth have been such a poor 3 point shooting team this season - Martin you know is below average, but Wagstaff and White have been very inconsistent. Steindl seems to be finding his groove now, and if the other two guys previously mentioned, and Cotton, find their targets, Perth are dangerous.

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Heaters67  
Last month

Nice work Jack Flog. Every time you call a Wildcats loss we win. Keep up the good work pal.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Where in the world is David Wear

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Hogwash  
Last month

I don't mind old Jack I use his tips and go the opposite way.
Works a treat for betting.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Violet Crumble. I guess when everyone is saying that Bogut is good, the best way to get noticed is to say he's a hindrance.

The guy is the most amazing shot blocker since Simon Dwight. Literally vacuums in every defensive rebound. Talks constantly at the defensive end directing traffic. And at the other end gives you double figure points at a super high percentage, catches lobs at the rim wherever you throw it, sets great screens for his teammates, and is one of the best passers in the league.

You want him crashing the O boards too like Mika Vukona (which is basically his only job)? You want him heaving up 20 shots a game as well?

He's got to leave some things for his teammates to do cause he is well um....35 freaking years old and 7"1. If the team doesn't get o boards this is literally the last thing that is his fault. Oh he doesn't hit 3 pointers either! He's definitely a hindrance.

Casper Ware is a hindrance to Melbourne cause he doesn't dunk enough!

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PeterJohn  
Last month

Bogut is doing fine on the o-boards. He averages 3 per game, in 30 minutes of game time. But the Kings are the worst offensive rebounding team, because the rest of the team only gets 6 o-boards per game. No other team is as reliant on one player for their offensive boards.

In contrast, the 36ers lead the league with 14 o-boards per game but their leading offensive rebounder is Johnson, who only gets 2.2 o-boards per game.

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Trey  
Last month

What are the NBL import rules these days? I'm not following the NBL as closely as I used to but I thought the cap was 3. Doesn’t Sydney have 4? Randle, Wear, Bowen and Turner.

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justsaying  
Last month

Bowen is not an import. He is a "developement type" signing, that does not count as an import

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PeterJohn  
Last month

Trey - the rules are that teams can have:

- up to 3 restricted players (imports); plus
- one player under the Next Stars program (basically young NBA prospects who want a year of pro basketball before trying for the draft); plus
- one Asian player (subject to NBL approval - focused on players from countries with a large potential TV audience).

For Sydney, Bowen is their Next Stars player. The other 3 you named above are their 3 imports. They have no Asian rule player this season (last season they had an Indian player under the Asian rule).

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Anonymous  
Last month

Bowen is their "next stars" selection
Turner is their "waste of an import slot" selection

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Violet Crumble  
Last month

Anonymous, I didn't say Bogut was hindrance, I said his lack of mobility and shooting touch is a hindrance on offence despite the things he is great at, particularly in an increasingly athletic and versatile league. Look how stagnant the Kings can look on offence at times. If you are going to pair him with Kickert/Wear, then I would like to see him play inside more and utilise his size (obviously not shoot, because he cannot shoot, and whilst that wouldn’t be a problem if he rolled hard more often like some other bigs, eg. Boone, Long, he doesn’t seem to enough, and Randle/Lisch get caught trapped in the midrange with 1.5 men on them).

Clearly he is not the source of all their woes, but his style of play forces you to adapt around him (especially as he is the 'star’ of the team, and cannot really play any other way). The modern game in the space and pace era makes it increasingly difficult to build a team around a more traditional big man.

I was just putting a thought out there. PeterJohn, thanks for your reply, I didn’t consider to look at the stats, but yes you are right, Bogut definitely is doing his part on the o-boards, and does gobble up them at the defensive end, the biggest problem would seem to be if you can drag him towards the perimeter than the other guys don’t seem to get a body on opponents. Averaging 3 o-boards per game probably puts him up near the top of league, so it is definitely unreasonable to ask him to do more. It may be Sydney’s tactic to forego crashing the boards at that end to get back on D and prevent transition, but that doesn’t really excuse their poor form on the other end.

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Trey  
Last month

Thanks for clarifying my import question

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Anonymous  
Last month

Violet crumble I hear you man but I'd probably leave anything to do with Bogut alone, because your team was extremely stinky for 2 years before he played. Now all of a sudden they are a title chance and we're on top of the ladder before last weekend. He's a top 3 MVP candidate.

Players always have weaknesses but I'd argue that Bogut playing inside more would wear him out quicker. Grinding away with post move after post move. If you watched him at the Warriors his strength is his passing and organising at both ends.

Of course his speed is a hindrance, but what do you want him to do? In other news the sky is blue and Casper Ware and Bryce Cotton's height is a hindrance.

I think the Kings are using him exactly right and the point is that any blame of the team underperforming probably goes to the two anemic rebounding 4 men, or maybe the 2 MVP's in the backcourt or Olympian swingman.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Haha,
No, you were right the first time, Bogut is a Hindrance.
Without any question he is the most over-hyped player to set foot on an NBL court. Also the highest paid.

Yet for all that, he can't even crack the top 20 in scoring.
So what can the lump do? Well he can rebound...
So you think its a coincidence that they've matched him with forwards known for their lack of rebounding? Or that other players make no attempt?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I actually don't mind Turner as their 3rd import as much as I would mind a Childress type. Turner has been bouncing around the state leagues for almost a decade and must be very close to PR, which makes you unrestricted in the WNBL.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Do you really think they signed a SEABL import instead of a Childress-type for the fun of it?

Childress is already signed in Japan and players of his credentials and skill set are not free agents at this time of the year.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Casper Ware and Bryce Cooton's height really isn't a problem because a) they are matched up against players the same size; b) they are far more athletic and talented than their opponents; and c) the current state of play favours ball handlers and shot creators, not lumbering centres mucking it up in the paint.

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koberulz  
Last month

Turner has been bouncing around the state leagues for almost a decade and must be very close to PR, which makes you unrestricted in the WNBL.
Which would be relevant if a) he hadn't also spent time overseas during that period, and b) he was eligible to play in the WNBL.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"b) he was eligible to play in the WNBL."

Don't be genderist.

If Raylene chooses to identify as female she should be eligible for the WNBL

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Anon  
Last month

Angus Beef is better than Pork Chop. Wear is he going? Where is our PF?

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Anonymous  
Last month

If the league does what I suspect, and Makes Bloguts DPOTY and/or 1st Team - I will lose my shit

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Senator11  
Last month

Better lose your shit then cos Bogut WILL be DPOTY and all NBL 1st team, duh.

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