Anonymous
Earlier this year

NBL Tasmania team update

A few articles in the press over the last 24 hours.

Tasmania will be the 10th team.
Target is next season, but if not, then the following one.
Team will definitely have a presence in Launceston and Hobart
Huskies owners will be considered for the licence but results so far have been "mixed"

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think he'll hold off for a while on teams 11 and 12.
Need another nz team for sure and Canberra deserves a team. Newcastle also another possibility.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

when you say next season, I assume you mean 20/21.

I'm intrigued by the whole split presence concept, wonder how it will work.
I mean I think it's great, just curious as to the practical considerations

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Can't see the huskies being involved, don’t think LK was to happy them going to nznbl, don’t think they got the coin either. If it happens I could see Bartlett making a come back.

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Smith  
Earlier this year

Canberra aren't getting a team. Their association is horrendously run and the support a team would require to survive simply isn't there.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Both Canberra and Newcastle have zero hope of getting a franchise.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Leagues
NBL

Founded
1979

Dissolved
2003

History
Canberra Cannons
1979-2003

Arena
AIS Arena
Capacity
5,200

Location
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

Team colors
White, Red and Blue

Championships
3 (1983, 1984, 1988)

I'd like to see Canberra back in the NBL

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

And approx 2000-2003 died a very slow death

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Leagues
NBL

Founded
1979

Dissolved
1999

History
Newcastle Falcons
1979-1999

Arena
Broadmeadow Basketball Stadium (1979–1991)
Newcastle Entertainment Centre (1992–1999)

Capacity
BBS - 2,000
NEC - 4,658

Location
Newcastle, New South Wales

Team colors
Red, Blue and White

Championships
0

I like to see Newcastle back in the NBL

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Leagues
NBL

Founded
1983

Dissolved
1996

History
Hobart Devils
1983-1986, 1996

Hobart Tassie Devils
1987–1995

Arena
Kingborough Sports Centre (1983–89)
Derwent Entertainment Centre (1989–96)
Capacity
1,800 (Kingborough)
5,400 (DEC)

Location
Hobart, Tasmania

Team colors
Green, Red, Yellow, White

Championships
0

The club played out of the Kingborough Sports Centre from 1983 to 1988. From the 1989 NBL season they then moved into the larger (5,400-seat) and more modern Derwent Entertainment Centre where they stayed until folding in 1996. The move into the new arena gave the club a larger venue, but the Tassie Devils left their "magic" at Kingborough, where they had been very hard to defeat always in the role of the underdog in 1986, 1987 and 1988 and these three years played before sell-out crowds in the cozy 1,800-seat arena. During Devils home games the home court arena was often referred to as the "Devils Den" by local TV commentators. The Devils enjoyed their most successful, and only winning season in NBL competition, in 1987 notching a 14-win, 12-loss league record. That team featured good chemistry and a high powered offense, it included key players Steve Carfino, Paul Stanley, Jerry Dennard, Wayne Burden, Peter Mann, Rick Hodges and was coached by American Dave "Doc" Adkins and led by club president, Tasmanian Wayne Monaghan.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Personally I don't want Tassie back either. And the Newcastle Pirates, better left alone

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PeterJohn  
Earlier this year

^Hunter Pirates

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The next teams in are Hobart, Wellington, Canberra and toss up between western Sydney and Newcastle.

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FM  
Earlier this year

NT like to do the split between capital and next biggest town. Perfect way to go belly up and struggle.

If you want fans you need to allow them to attend all games. The moment you start giving a few games to a smaller venue, your local fans are also missing out.

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Curtley  
Earlier this year

Sadly the kings are tied to homebush for the next 30 yrs so any chance of a western sydney franchise is dead. Also disappointing given the kings have given up on playing at any sort of venue near the city in this time.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

There is no place in the city of Sydney, the government knocked the entertainment centre down and gave it to developers. Nearly all units now. Sydney basketball centres are crap.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kestleman was on ABC radio yesterday and said DEC / Wilkinson's point negotiations were going well.
He wants $20mill to "do up the DEC" That's just a money grab IMO.
He has engaged the same architects that created MONA so that's a plus. There was front page news here over the weekend about a 3 pronged attack with the AFL, soccer and the NBL all being at the forefront of Government talks to ensure all those sports get "in".
Kestleman also wants $1.5mill per season from the Government.
The Wilkinson's point area is estimated at about $18mill so really he wants the land for nothing. Hardly surprising.
The reality is if the GCC don't sell it game over.
Newcastle, Canberra no way.
There will be an NBL1 side playing in the Blitz as well.
Draw released yesterday. Games to be played in Ulverstone, Devonport, Launceston, Kingston and the DEC.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

1.5 mil a year is small change compared to what they give the afl

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Reality  
Earlier this year

LK will own the new Tassie NBL team like he has with others, leaving the current huskies crew with no option but to fold as they have no cash!!

The Tassie NBL team all hinges on being given the land effectively for free with large government funding required to sustain it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Newcastle, Canberra no way.


Why and where would you like the new NBL teams to go?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Newcastle region has failed twice. The second attempt was an abject failure. Why the hell would the NBL want to go back?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Huskies gone I'd say, be interesting to what happens next nznbl season, don’t think they will be there.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Newcastle region has failed twice. The second attempt was an abject failure. Why the hell would the NBL want to go back?

Many teams have failed over the years.
Newcastle and the nsw central coast have a lot of bball talent and fans. It needs to be done the right way for it to work. Same with Canberra. It might take time to get it ready for the NBL but it could work.

Why and where would you like the new NBL teams to go?

The NBL can only cater for so many teams
Maybe 14 or so

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Huskies had a lot of teething problems and the NZBL has assured them that next season everything will be far better next season. Huskies signed a 5 year deal. If they walk now then they lose a bit of money and save a shit load on them flying to NZ and then flying the opposition in. Same goes for the NBL1 teams.
Then we go back to no elite basketball in the South.

I believe only 2000+ people have signed up as being interested in a Tassie team.
Not good enough. The interest in the Blitz will be important that's for sure.
There doesn't appear to be people clamouring to get on board and equally I don't think the Huskies did themselves any favours last season with bills being paid late.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Teams that folded were along time ago and if you haven't noticed... the Nbl is run a bit different now days.

Wellington should be a certainty and I have no doubt Canberra, mewcatle region, Gold Coast, will be in the nbl once again.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

End of the day, to have an NBL team, you need three things.
A venue, crowds, and money.

Crowds are flexible. If you have enough cash, you can wait whilst they build. And not every team needs Wildcats' numbers to make it work.

In a very real sense, unless it already exists, your venue also comes down to money.

So you need some combination of government and a Private owner with deep pockets.
I think as a general rule, you need the government to stump up for the venue.

Canberra is an interesting one, because obviously as the Nation's Capital it has potential access to the biggest government largesse. (I know the ACT has its only weird little flower-powered government)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why would huskies play in nznbl if they aren't in the running for an nbl licence. A lot off cred was lost last year when the whole chargers thing blew up after a premiership year. Chargers had bigger crowds than huskies and huskies gave a lot tickets away. An nbl team in Tasmania would be great but not certain it’s feasible, I don’t see it happening.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year


Teams that folded were along time ago and if you haven't noticed... the Nbl is run a bit different now days.


League
NBL

Founded
1993

Folded
2016

History
Townsville Suns
1993-1998
Townsville Crocodiles
1998–2016

Arena
Townsville Entertainment Centre (1993–2014, 2015–2016)
Townsville RSL Stadium (2014–2015)
Capacity
TEC - 5,257
RSL - 2,500
Location
Townsville, Queensland

Team colors
Green, Yellow, Black, Light Blue

2016 isn't that long ago and the new model is a lot better now. Canberra, Newcastle,Gold Coast should have the chance to come back with the right model.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

2016 isn't that long ago and the new model is a lot better now. Canberra, Newcastle,Gold Coast should have the chance to come back with the right model

+ Tasmanian, it looks like it won't be the huskies unfortunately. It might be the best for the huskies to stay in nznbl and nbl1 and act like a feeder team.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Chargers had bigger crowds than huskies and huskies gave a lot tickets away."

Yes the Huskies had special deals on, however the Huskies had 2000+ people in the first few games. The give aways were generally in Launceston. Kingston games initially OK crowd wise but in the end the free tix there got maybe 300.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Point is the momentum stopped between chargers and huskies, no knowledge of why but it slowed.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I didn't mention tiwnsville on my next in list.

I personally think cairns and Townsville should be combined to make northern Taipans, the opposite end to southern huskies.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I didn't mention tiwnsville on my next in list

It was the last NBL team to fold.

A national NBL1 could be good for Townsville if it doesn't make it back to the NBL Maybe.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Townsville already have a team in the QBL which will become an NBL1 conference! Gee some people are thick.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"no knowledge of why but it slowed" Because Bartlett was no longer required. So Bartlett kills the Chargers and once the Huskies worked out Bartletts agenda they had no further need of him.
Huskies were right. Bartlett's now running his own race and linked to the NBL bid with Kestleman.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Townsville already have a team in the QBL which will become an NBL1 conference! Gee some people are thick


Wow slow down there champ
No need for insults keyboard worrier

I didn't say there not in the qbl

Id like to see the NBL1 be a national league considering NBL stands for national Basketball League

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

which will become an NBL1 conference!

We haven't seen confirmation of this yet

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

That's no explanation why fan support dropped away. I think you will find there were two sides in killing the chargers. It’s easy to blame Bartlett but when he was running it every one got paid on time.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yet they had a massive debt.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

He took the chargers from debt to balanced books and a premiership in three seasons.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Pretty sure the books aren't balanced. AGM in Oct and Barlett has a lot of explaining to do.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The LK group has announced their website for the future of the Wilkinsons Point development.
I am hearing he wants $25mill to develop the DEC. That's simply outrageous and he wants the Government to fund it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

Matt Knight comes out in the press supporting the Tassie NBL side in today's Mercury. Government still pondering. This deal was supposed to be done by Christmas one way or the other. Time is running out Mr Hodgman.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

I found it crazy how tassie can't afford anything, wtf they do down there?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

That comment proves that you know nothing about Tassie.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

I've never been, 25 mill don’t seem a lot, but I’m vic. Every week there’s some multi mill recreational structure being built.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

The afl are probably in the background trying to screw this deal over with there idea that only money should be available for there teams. The longer this takes the less likely. LK might start looking elsewhere, he's no fool.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

Population of Vic, 4 mill? Population of Tassie just over 500,000 and the hottest property market still in Australia.
The Tassie government has a hospital is Hobart that could do with the money LK wants. The Tassie health system is rooted. There is lies the dilemma. Technically the Hcc owns the DEC and it loses about $1mill plus a year. Yes it needs upgrading and it will soon be the Government's problem. Don't fix the Dec great. NBL Basketball will never appear again in Tassie.
Fix the DEC and LK will supposedly run an NBK team and spend $200mill in that precinct and the health system misses out. That's the Government's dilemma.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

Front page news in fact.

"LOBBYING has begun for Federal Government funding to redevelop the Derwent Entertainment Centre - but any push needs a public commitment from the State Government.

Federal independent member for Clark Andrew Wilkie has approached Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg over the proposed redevelopment of the 30-year-old DEC under proposed new owner NBL boss Larry Kestelman.
He also plans to take it up with Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack, who controls regional development funding.

The venue is the key part of Mr Kestelman's wider plans for a $200 million sporting, restaurant and shopping precinct that would also see the state returning to the NBL – but none of the proposal will go ahead without taxpayer funding to bring the DEC into the 21st century.
An artist’s impression of the proposed Derwent Entertainment Centre upgrade.
An artist’s impression of the proposed Derwent Entertainment Centre upgrade.
Mr Wilkie, who also met with Mr Kestelman last week, said Mr Frydenberg was aware of the proposal and the development’s benefits to Hobart’s northern suburbs but for now remained non-committal.

Just how much taxpayer funding is required is still being negotiated.
"The impression I got from Larry is his proposal is well received by the State Government and is supported in principle and my initial soundings today suggest the Federal Government sees the merit in the project but no one has moved beyond that," Mr Wilkie said.
“I think the most important government actor at the moment is the State Government because if the State Government moves beyond this gesture of support and really clearly defines exactly what support it will provide, that will really unlock it and make it easier to pursue money in Canberra.
“It is very hard for me to pursue money in Canberra if the State Government hasn’t more clearly put their support behind it.”

The DEC is currently owned by the Glenorchy City Council and it is believed the council has agreed to sell it and the adjacent Wilkinsons Point to Mr Kestelman.

Mr Wilkie said he was a supporter of Mr Kestelman’s proposal but only as long as it met his four criteria:
A FAIR price for the DEC;
FORESHORE remaining in public hands;
ALL reasonable community concerns being addressed;

ANY public funding, state or federal, is strictly conditional on it being demonstrated there will be a strong benefit to the community, not Mr Kestelman.

Mr Wilkie said the unanswered question remained on what would happen to the DEC if it was not sold to Mr Kestelman.

“Even if it was to continue to be used as is, it would need quite a bit of investment,” he said.
Mr Frydenberg’s office was contacted for comment."

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

Hobart is overdue a quality shopping/entertainment precinct outside of the CBD. It is an obvious next step for a growing city that needs to start thinking about higher density infill. That makes me optimistic that the federal government will see the merit in it (assuming LK isn't taking the piss with how he is asking the funding to be divvied up).

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Reality  
Earlier this week

Hobart is overdue alot of things....they've only been waiting for something to happen since 1804

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Anonymous  
Earlier this week

"LOBBYING has begun for more WA GST funding to redevelop the Derwent Entertainment Centre"

fixed

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UseTaHoop  
Earlier this week

Scoop: secret deal between ScoMo and Jacquie (sp?) Lambie hinges on the DEC upgrade and return of the Tassie Devils to the NBL.

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Tassie Devil  
Earlier this week

Done.

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Tassie Devil  
Yesterday

Todays paper said ""However, I would say the Government is running a very good, thorough process to make sure all factors are considered and everything is done in the right way.

“I think right now we are having good conversations with all the parties and everyone understands the timeline and seems optimistic to meet those timelines."

NBL owner Larry Kestelman says there is a February deadline for the State Government to commit to funding an upgrade of the Derwent Entertainment Centre. Picture: ZAK SIMMONDS
NBL owner Larry Kestelman says there is a February deadline for the State Government to commit to funding an upgrade of the Derwent Entertainment Centre. Picture: ZAK SIMMONDS
Mr Kestelman said a number of proposals were put forward for the DEC redevelopment from the very basics to a full-scale upgrade that would increase capacity, but he was more than satisfied with the compromised final agreement.


“The [redevelopment funding] figure is definitely settled and we've agreed with the Government on which option,” he said.

“There were a few different options to consider, but I won’t put it out there what it is. I had better leave that to them to announce and 100 per cent finalise if they do want to support it.”

Any publicly funded DEC redevelopment would include state, federal and Glenorchy City Council backing adding an extra layer of complexity to the deal.

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Anonymous  
Yesterday

i hope it happens, but i'm a little dubious of anything relying on the government.

governments only want to associate with winners.
they would be looking at the current NBL wondering how the hell their little team is going to compete

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Anonymous  
Yesterday

First it was a before Christmas dead line, now February, it's not happening folks. It should have happened but governments are useless. Time to start looking elsewhere.

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Anonymous  
Yesterday

The announcement will happen pre xmas with no real funding issues for anyone.
An equitable 3 way split that should pass the pub test. Bring it on.
The idiots say "how the hell their little team is going to compete"
SEM Phoenix are doing it OK. A year or so nothing, now they are in and reasonably competitive. It's a done deal. #finally

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Anonymous  
Yesterday

"The announcement will happen pre xmas with no real funding issues for anyone.
An equitable 3 way split that should pass the pub test. Bring it on.
The idiots say "how the hell their little team is going to compete"
SEM Phoenix are doing it OK"

Congratulations on bringing new life to the phrase "Shit for Brains."

Equitable 3 way split between whom?
Kestleman, Larry, and LK?

Phoenix have money to burn, have access to great venues, and are located in the heartland of the most populous basketball City.
They're also backed by a Billionaire who can afford to waste his money, and walk away when he gets bored.

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Reality  
Yesterday

The NBL feels like the Aleague....the bubble will burst very shortly!

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Anonymous  
Yesterday

Once again someone who knows nothing about the local scene now has yet again another wrong comment.
Stick to the fantasy stuff many because that's all you are spruiking.

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Anonymous  
Yesterday

The A League is a shitful competition losing $million$ per season. The only thing propping them up for the moment is TV rights.

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Anonymous  
Yesterday

Someone said "Phoenix have money to burn, have access to great venues, and are located in the heartland of the most populous basketball City."
Shame the crowd aren't turning up and last time I checked the Phoenix weren't in the 4.

If you have a new franchise you would have to plan to be in the finals the first season and beyond every year.
The first few games were well attended and I hope that all the free tix they give away sees people actually continue to attend.

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