Anonymous
Two weeks ago

Working out the World Cup draw

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Round 2 onwards. We play Group G. So Lithiuania, France and Dominican Republic. The top 2 of this pool move onto the 1/4 finals. So if we win 2 of 3 we likely move on. Then we would face most likely USA or Turkey depending on whether we finish first or second in second round.

Am I somewhat right?

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ME  
Two weeks ago

Somewhat. Although it's also possible we come in, win both those games but miss out depending on whether we beat Lithuania tomorrow and what the other teams do. Lithuania tomorrow is a super important game.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Ah yes because the wins carry over to the next round? So effectively we would have a one win headstart over Lithuania if we win tomorrow? If we lose we have to make up the point.

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LC  
Two weeks ago

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Nostraballmus  
Two weeks ago

Nostraballmus sees that if we are thinking medals we need to take care of both Lithuania and France.



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D2.0  
Two weeks ago

If we finish top of group L, then we will play Turkey or Brazil in the QF.
If we finish 2nd, we will almost certainly face USA.

We play 5 games.
Obviously, if we win all 5, then we finish 1st.
Drop one, and depending on other results we could end up in a multiway tie

It will all become clearer tomorrow as the top 2 teams in each sub-group are playing off. So either us or the Lithos, and presumably France, will go into the 2nd round with a one game break.

It's a shit draw, and why I have said from the start that we're unlikely to make it past the QFs.
Nothing I have seen so far, in the bumbling and stumbling, makes me think we can get through undefeated. Which means at best facing USA in the QF.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Thanks LC. Sums it up well.

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paul  
Two weeks ago

Unless there has been a massive shift by FIBA for this tournament, the points differential is only for games between the teams in a tie. Only if that is equal can points differential in other games come into play.

So if we lose to either France or Lithuania, we need it to be a close loss in case we end up in a three-way tie for two spots.

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Bear  
Two weeks ago

Bear thinks if we think too far ahead we are over thinking it!

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Elphinkiller  
Two weeks ago

Its simple, same as any tournament play, Survive and Advance, just keep winning.

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Hroz  
Two weeks ago

To medal

We need to win our next 4 games and atleast 1 of our last 2

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Hroz  
Two weeks ago

Okay we need to win atleast 2 of our next 3
Then win a game
Then 1 of our last 2.

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Perthworld  
Two weeks ago

"To win you must win" - Jack Bendat

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Perthworld  
Two weeks ago

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Perthworld  
Two weeks ago

We are in Group L, USA in Group K.

Finish 2nd in Group L and we face USA.

Finish 1st then either Brazil/Greece/Czech Republic

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

I don't like our chances against USA, Greece or Brazil atm.
Czech a good team but heavily reliant on 2 players.

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paul  
Two weeks ago

"Finish 2nd in Group L and we face USA."

If they finish first in Group K. No guarantee of that just yet.

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ME  
Two weeks ago

"I don't like our chances against USA, Greece or Brazil atm.
Czech a good team but heavily reliant on 2 players"

Probably didnt like our chances against Lithuania either lol

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rjd  
Two weeks ago

Perhaps this thread is more relevant for this. The classification round is under way and this has implications for Olympic qualifications. It also matters for world ranking points.

Tonight China defeated Korea in a close finish. China with their 2nd win, but I believe this still isn't a guarantee to get that highest World Cup placing in Asia.

The final world cup ranking depends on their *placing* within each group of the classification round, not necessarily wins. Currently Iran and China are both placed 2nd in their respective groups. I can't find any clear information about how they are ranked from there, but I assume it is based on wins then points differential.

China will play Nigeria next. Iran will play Philippines.

So if Iran beat the Philippines as expected, and China loses to Nigeria, they will both finish second in their group and Iran could get that automatic Olympics birth from points differential. Although knowing FIBA, they might obscure the final placings system to somehow let China into the Olympics anyway.

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Then there is New Zealand's placing. It appears FIBA is using a very complicated world ranking system now. It seems to be unlike the previous system which awarded world rankings points depending on final placing in the tournament. Now every game played can get world rankings points. The number of world rankings points earned depends on the ranking of the opponent, the winning (and losing) margin, whether it is home/away/neutral, and which tournament it is. World rankings really matters because it affects which pot teams are placed in for subsequent World Cups. It's better to be placed in a higher ranked pot before the draw. That's why China's path was so easy, because it automatically received the highest seed.

It is a very complicated ranking system...

http://www.fiba.basketball/documents/rankingmen/howitworks

... but world cup results are weighted very highly (2.5 times weighting compared with 0.4 times weighting in Asia qualifiers). Notice also that winning/losing margin matters, not just the win. Also the ranking of the opponent matters. So these final two games remain important to New Zealand for their world ranking.

Would you believe that New Zealand are current ranked 38?

New Zealand will play Japan and Turkey in their final two games. Win both and they finish 17-21 in the World Cup. Beat Japan and lose to Turkey, they should finish 2nd in their group which equates to a 22-25 World Cup placing. I'd argue that it's the world rankings points for each individual game that matters more than their final placing in the World Cup.

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