Adris Deleon was in their WC squad but just missed the cut.

Thank you.

Dominican Republic about to move into group L

France and Lithuania.

We play France on Monday 9th.

They just got smashed by France, bookmark a slow start for the boomers, love doing it the hard way.

Yeah the Boomers will sleepwalk the first three quarters and then make it happen in the fourth. That's what they do against these secondary teams.

This game is on at 4pm local (and Perth) time.

Interesting according to the table, your for and against from all matches carries over.

We will need to hope France beats Lithuania.

Yeah if we beat DR and France beat Lithuania we'll be going through. If either of those goes against us, it starts to get messy

IMO Lith will beat France, France will beat Boomers, no quarter final for Boomers

Teams finishing equal, the for and against is in respect of just those teams.

Nostraballmus laughs at our arrogant notion of a secondary team that has made the 2nd round just like us

I don't think anyone is arrogant about beating Dominican Republic. We just know that we HAVE to beat them. If we drop that one, we don't really deserve to progress (and almost certainly wouldn't).

KET. I hope you are right. Many of the news stories have been written as the point differential from all games counting not just between the tied teams.

As this has not been the case before I wouldn't think so.

I'd think we are in trouble either way points wise - we’d have to lose to France by a small amount of Lithuania win by a small amount.

Australia basically just needs to get it done against both Dom Rep and France.

Yep, obviously win both and all is great. But if we win the game against DR and France beat LTU that's enough as well

What is the likeliness that France beat Lithuania?

How does Trollballmus see the Boomers going in the second round?

Us beating DR and France beating Lithuania seem like the most likely outcomes to me, at least it will be with the bookies I presume?

Keep winning and it doesnt matter what other teams beat who.

No reason why Boomers cant beat France and Dominican Republic and go into the bracket undefeated.

How does Baynes stack up in the NBA when he plays against Gobert? That'd be my biggest worry, we'd have to rely on our shooting a lot more against France.

Yeah France's interior D has been good. That'll be a challenge. Hopefully Bayne's outside game can help drag Gobert out a little.

DR average height is 6'4". Only got one guy above 203cm. Boomers average 6'6" and Lithuania is 6'7", France 6'8". I know it's not necessarily how it works, but Baynes and co should run riot.

DR barely beat Jordan, beat Germany by a bucket and then got smashed 56-90 by France.

France got Germany by 4 then belted Jordan and obviously DR.

DR's FG% is 10%+ below Australia's. France and Serbia are the only teams ahead of the Boomers this WC.

The thing that sucks about our side of the draw and the way things have panned out is that there is literally no room for error. If we drop one of the upcoming games, suddenly life gets extremely hard. On the Chinese end, you can pretty well sleepwalk through to the top 8.

I see people are saying we have to beat DR & France but don't we really only need to beat DR to advance to the QF? I believe the top 2 teams from each of the new four groups advance as QF is 8 teams.

Lithuania can't get past us with an equal record now right? So all we need to do is win one of these 2 games against DR & France to advance, that's how I understand it?

"The thing that sucks about our side of the draw and the way things have panned out is that there is literally no room for error. If we drop one of the upcoming games, suddenly life gets extremely hard. On the Chinese end, you can pretty well sleepwalk through to the top 8."

Agreed, however bodes us well in due time having been in the so called "group of death" and every game being a must win.

So far, two fairly impressive games from three. I don't think anyone expected us to be doing so well offensively. When Delly is making it rain from beyond and Baynes is pulling up from top of the arc and sinking them its an entire different ball game for us in terms of spacing. Probably why we're getting so many dimes.

Surely we make easy work out of DR and give France a run for their money. If we can manage to go through to brackets rd undefeated then you'd think we play brazil or greece for a semis birth.

Things are looking good for that Medal!

"Lithuania can't get past us with an equal record now right? So all we need to do is win one of these 2 games against DR & France to advance, that's how I understand it?"

If Lithuania beats France and France beats us, there is a 3 way tie which will be broken by points for or against. We'd lose in the points percentage. If France beat Lithuania and we take care of business against DP, we make it through regardless of what happens with Australia and France.

"Surely we make easy work out of DR and give France a run for their money. If we can manage to go through to brackets rd undefeated then you'd think we play brazil or greece for a semis birth."

You'd expect us to take care of DR but I'd want to be able to rest players if we can. Fatigue may become a factor down the stretch. As for France, we can beat them but they do present the kind of athleticism we've shown trouble in dealing with.

Steven, Trollballmus thinks you for your respectful request for his insights into the future. Note Trollballmus only provides his insights to those who respectfully ask (our do something funky with his name).

Trollballmus sees a hard fought win for the v the Dominicanos. DR will rate themselves at causing another upset. Trollbalmus does not buy the 'they aint got no bigs, our bigs will smash them' school of thought cause the German bigs who smashed our bigs didn't smash them, so why should ours ? Add the fact that Lemanis could likely go with weird 4 guard lineups again like he inexplicably did v Senegal's length for extended periods. Plus our 17 strong coaching staff weren't able to get us up to perform better against Senegal so we are likely to take an arrogant 'just turn up and we'll win' approach again which has characterised these Boomers at times. So Ballmus sees a tight win but a win nonetheless.

When Ballmus looks into the future he sees things of beauty but also things of horror. He would thus prefer not to describe what is ahead v France and beyond. Suffice to say, while we are rightfully happy to have beaten Lithuania, Trollballmus sees that Lithuania will ultimately finish 10th.

Trollballmus suggests you do those sums Stevo.

"If Lithuania beats France and France beats us, there is a 3 way tie which will be broken by points for or against. We'd lose in the points percentage."

Under the rules FIBA usually uses, points differential is in the games between the tied teams, so we are currently in a good position at +5, ahead of Lithuania on -5.

"You'd expect us to take care of DR but I'd want to be able to rest players if we can. Fatigue may become a factor down the stretch. As for France, we can beat them but they do present the kind of athleticism we've shown trouble in dealing with."

In that case go all out against DR and rest for the France game pending France beat Lithuania? If we're making easy work of DR by the 4th qtr rest then, it's must win.

"If Lithuania beats France and France beats us, there is a 3 way tie which will be broken by points for or against. We'd lose in the points percentage"

Not necessarily, points for an against only take into account teams involved in the tie. So comes down to a game of margins between France with Us and LTU. No point speculating on that might look like, could be anything.

Dominican Republic are paying $34. Might be worthwhile putting a small amount on them for Boomers collapse insurance.

The rules on FIBA website are as paul has posted, and the rest of his post is spot on.

"Dominican Republic are paying $34. Might be worthwhile putting a small amount on them for Boomers collapse insurance."

The line whatever it is might be worth the bet, Angola line was +40.5 which was covered fairly easily.

France vs Lithuania is after Australia vs Dominican Rep, so we can't make any assumptions to rest players. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Lemanis went deeper into the bench anyway.

France are favourites according to the bookies. If France win, we are through, then the Aus vs Fra game decides top spot (assuming we also beat DR) and our QF opponent.

If Lithuania win, it will come down to points differential, unless, again, we beat France. The margins are so tight already, anything can happen. No point speculating until after the LTH vs FRA game.

Vive la France!

Think France will beat lithos. They should take a look at our game and take the 3 ball away and Sabonis wont be bullying down low with gobert in the paint.

It's funny the trepidation one has an old time hoops nut (can remember seeing the 1984 Olympics in the school library and seeing the Boomers play). I've been waiting to see an international mens medal for a looooong time and better bloody see one before I croak dammit! A wonderful opportunity awaits and this team plays with so much heart and passion. Damn I love international hoops!

For me its only been since 92 (damn you old Gus!) and there's been a few times where its felt like its gonna happen only to have our hearts broken.

Though we've never really even gotten close at WC level. Those 4 Olympic 4th places are just cruel.

In a perfect world we for once don't have to do it the hard way and on Saturday we beat Dominican Republic by 40+ and Lithuania defeat France.

Average odds:

AUS $1.01 $18.00 DOM

Line set at 23.

Not getting this fear of the USA. Lost to Australia. Almost lost to a Turkey team that didn't even make the 16. They're not exactly the all-conquering team they usually are.

The thing that sucks about our side of the draw and the way things have panned out is that there is literally no room for error. If we drop one of the upcoming games, suddenly life gets extremely hard. On the Chinese end, you can pretty well sleepwalk through to the top 8.

Side note, I think this new system, while on the surface appearing to be a little confusing, can probably eliminate much of the tanking issues that have happened in the past. While in theory if France and Australia both win tomorrow they don't need to win on Monday, I think for the most part teams are going to need to win to ensure passage. I think there'll be a few groups which will end up being decided on tie breakers

Don't count out the Dominican Republic bigs. They took out a Germany team featuring 2 NBA rotation level bigs.

Definitely need to play our bench some more tomorrow. Our main 4 are playing over 30 min a game.

Cram, If both France and Australia win tomorrow it will be critical who wins their game on Monday because it will determine who their Quarter Final opponent is.

More likely than not we will be looking to avoid a QF against the USA.

We are also playing for seeding in the round of 16 so it will make a difference qualifying out of the group first or second.

Of course, who would you prefer out of Greece, Brazil and USA? All three would be very tough opponents.

Nostraballmus says only Euros flop. Aussies 'do a good job of emphasising the contact' according to Heal, S. which Nostraballmus assumes is different.

Zodiac,
So much drivel in this thread I can't see if anybody actually answered you.

If we assume that USA finishes 1st in their group, then they play the 2nd place team from our group in the QF. Not somewhere we want to be.
IF we win both games, then we finish 1st. Period. And we will play probably Brazil in the QF.

If we lose to France, then even if Lithuania beats them and we all finish on 4 wins, it is unlikely we finish 1st, and frankly I don't see that happening.

So we need to start by beating DOM, and they are no easy-beats.
The problem for us, is that they excel at the small-ball, and will likely be the toughest challenge Mills, Delly, Joe, and CG have faced.

Yes, our bigs will dominate, but we're got to turn that into points, and keep our bigs out of foul trouble.

Poland 4-0.

Must be nice being in the easier side of the draw.

"Poland 4-0.
Must be nice being in the easier side of the draw."

Correct. Remember that is the Pool setup for CHINA


"Poland have been good regardless of opponent."

Umm, Poland almost lost to China, who were shit.

Poland have been good regardless of opponent. The coach has been very good for them.

China? Worrying signs for them with Korea getting so close.

We should take care of the Dominicans by 3 qtr time. NBL guys need to carry the load and give the NBA guys some well earned rest going into the France game. Nick Kay will dominate tonight.

All of the quarter finalists could be locked in tonight if all of the favourites win. Already one side of the draw has the teams set (Argentina, Poland, Spain and Serbia).

Then you have two days of dead rubbers where all the games will be played around what teams consider will be the most favourable draw.

The rubbers aren't dead if they effect the draw which they do.

But yes, it could get weird if there are upsets in one pool, and the QF opponents then try to engineer a match-up.

"Fear of USA"?
Absolutely!
ONE victory in a meaningless friendly doesn't translate to a WC qualifier.
Would I rather we place Brazil? Absolutely.

USA's last game of the round, which might determine their placing, starts 30 minutes after Australia's last game. So both games are in progress simultaneously and the result of the USA game comes after the end of Australia's game. It's FIBA's anti-Australia-vs-Angola strategy.

Casey and Heal still prattling on about plus minus as if this game scores matter.
HTF could Heal play so many internationals and not understand how the system works.

Per FIBA, points percentage from all games is the tiebreaker. So they're correct.

Neither of them is Casey, however.

Are you sure it is not only between the teams that are tied?

FIBA told me the PD counts for all games played. I was told it goes:
1. Overall wins/losses.
2. Overall PD.
3. Overall points scored.

— Olgun Uluc (@OlgunUluc) September 7, 2019

Argh bloody turnovers again. Thankfully some nice shooting happening too

Heal and Dwayne Russell Are you kidding me

That is bizarre.

LOL I love how animated the Dominican coach is. Quality entertainment.

Stupid turnovers again, trying to be flashy when playing fundemental basketball would generate a solid win. Play safe, stay in front on defense

The Boomers passing and cutting is elite. Not for the 1st time causing opponents to argue amongst each other.

Dominican coach is awesome but he'd scare the sh*t outta me in a dark alley.

Coincidence that landale comes on and DOM start smashing points in the paint?

Abla!!! F#*k!!! Wise words by the coach seems to have fired up the dominicans

Two dunks and a rejection since the time out

Landale is having an absolute shocking game. Stick to kay and creek this game

Yeah Landale stinking it up at both ends

And this where they miss Jonah Bolden. Perfect 4 man

Shocking call on Bogut

We are lucky we are not down 10 in this game.

Careless

F'n turnovers. Stopping f'n around with the cute stuff!

Nostraballmus is not surprised.

Lots of sloppy play again this game & DOM making us pay on most occasions

How can the same team both make you so proud yet infuriate all at the same time? The hot dog passes leading to easy scores. Lift, you blokes!

Stop running the same bloody offensive set, how many turnovers just from feeding to moving big men.

We are too stringent in sticking to set routines, its ok to identify the hot hand every now and then and feeding it. Goulding is hitting shots but has been basically been the 3rd option in the play or the bail out shot.

Boomers lacking athleticism

Way too casual. WTF is with this team?

inb4 someone says Lemanis is hiding plays from France.

Landale needs to stop with his recent pre-game butter hand wash routine.

Dominican coach is awesome but he'd scare the sh*t outta me in a dark alley.

Boomers with 16 assists from 15 made baskets. I guess that answers the question about whether assists are credited for passes that lead to free-throws.

not one athletic player in this team, except mills. Deserves to lose this match

Goulding 11pts. #NBL

Players look rightfully frustrated with the refs.

By the way, DR with 15 free-throw attempts vs 5 for Australia.

"not one athletic player in this team, except mills. Deserves to lose this match"

Dave, where have you been? Didn't watch the Lithuania game?

Czechs leading Brazil.

Boomers with 16 assists from 15 made baskets. I guess that answers the question about whether assists are credited for passes that lead to free-throws.

40-40. Unbelievable.

The arrogance is killing this team and not becoming of an Australian team. Play your role, get the W. C'mon lads.

Luckily DOM can't shoot free throws. 9/17. Otherwise...

This refereeing...

WTF Patty just ball watches instead of grabbing it. Lazy.

Lemanis acting super cool in the timeout. WTF rip into them you dope.

Nostraballmus is not surprised

I wish we had the international commentary feed. These guys are hopeless. Totally missed the Double tech and Baynes foul out(?).

Bolden, 3rd string C, time to sub in, we need you.

Ffs, play with some heart. Mills just watched the loose ball thinking landale could get it.
They all seem to be playing with the ingles attitude. But he does it well, the rest just look lazy

Commentary hasn't noticed but Baynes has fouled out.

Heal is too busy stroking Dwayne.

"I wish we had the international commentary feed. These guys are hopeless. Totally missed the Double tech and Baynes foul out(?)."

International commentary think the crowd is cheering FOR Bogut and still think Baynes is sitting with 4 fouls.

Compare and contrast the passion of the Dominican coach and Lemanis.

They review the shot but don't review the out of bounds.

If no getting fired up was all that mattered then South Americans would be champions of all sports

Mills lifting the team AGAIN with some big plays

Mills somehow fouls while being cleaned up by a double screen?

They review the shot but don't review the out of bounds.

" FIBA told me the PD counts for all games played. I was told it goes:
1. Overall wins/losses.
2. Overall PD.
3. Overall points scored.
— Olgun Uluc (@OlgunUluc) September 7, 2019"

Not according to FIBA's World Cup website.

"Should the comparative ranking need to be established between the teams placed on the same position in the groups, one group of all teams in questions shall be established. The criteria shall be applied in the following order:

Better win-loss record of all games played in their revised final group standings.

Higher game points difference of all games in their revised final group standings.

Higher number of the game points scored in all games in their revised final group standings.

If these criteria still cannot decide, a draw shall decide on the final classification.

For more information, please read Section D of the Official Basketball Rules."

Section D is very clear. The 'revised final group' terminology means the tied teams only.

The link is in the information popup on http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/competition-system.

"Can we please stop complaining about the refs not reviewing things that aren't reviewable?"

What's the rule about out of bounds reviews? There have been a lot in this tournament. Is it only in the last x minutes?

PJ As it always has been in the more than 50 years I have followed the game.

When a sense of urgency is required the coach shouldn't be trying to act super casual cool. Lemanis basically laughed in one timeout.

Plus in the timeout I am referring to Lemamnis had nothing to say and Bogut took over. WTF?

We needed to win this by 30-40pts. It's as if they think FRA-LTU was already played earlier today and FRA won it.

Meanwhile CZE leading BRA - could setup us up for a juicy R16 if we win the group. But no let's just be casual.

Ow, how easy was that in transition for DOM.

Of all the criticisms of Lemanis I have read around here, staying composed during a close game has to be one of the dumbest

What's the rule about out of bounds reviews? There have been a lot in this tournament. Is it only in the last x minutes?

Up by double digits finally. Time to absolutely hammer them now.

Meanwhoile Dwayne keeps talking about Geelong.

It's not the Boomers style to panic and get emotional. It's just sticking to business. Lemanis talks about not letting the lows be too low or highs too high.

Perthworld. If we want to win the group we need to beat France in all likelihood. Score here wont matter as long as we get the W

Lol goulding, not the place to take a charge hahah

Well amongst the points differential lack of clarity from FIBA it's kind of hard to know WTF exactly we need also. So frustrating.

Its game on again

"Bogut's basketball IQ is probably higher than Lemanis', letting him talk probably has some validity."


Well I can't argue with that.

In such a crucial moment basically having nothing to sayas a head coach is alarming though.

Wow, DOM miss the wide open three from a huge defensive breakdown.

Phew.

Way to miss the point.

Mills with +21, which means Boomers were -15 in 10 minutes without him, again showing how much we relied on Mills' offensive presence.

Wasn't Martin unavailable due to off season injury treatment? I know he's playing NBL warm ups now but wasn't ready when the squad came together?

Why do we have to make it so hard?
I don't know how important (if at all) overall points difference is, but the coms were banging on about it.
Either its a chance for that, OR a chance to manage your starters, but its like nobody got the memo. Too many guys playing at half-pace.

So sick of hearing the coms bang on about what great passers we are. Have they LOOKED at the turnover count.
And all this shit about Bogut being such a great passer for a Big Man. Yeah he is, so what, doesn't mean we want him at the top of the key against the Doms. Put in the post and let him go to work.

And why do I have this terrible feeling, that Lemanis' anointing of Landale as the Great White Hope, is just going to keep biting us in the arse until we bleed out.
That decision probably convinced them they didn't need Motum, caused Boldne to have a dummy spit, and left us with a crippled Barlow.
Yeah, he's a great finisher when he's being fed, and provided nobody puts a body on him. But he also lacks strength and is often found out defensively.
I mean sorry, but you cannot convince me that Creek is a better option at the 4.
Plus, Bogut's foul problems seem to be getting worse. I think the refs are gunning for him. So what happens if that shit hits the fan?

But hey, at least for once we let our backup PG actually play.

And why do I have this terrible feeling, that Lemanis' anointing of Landale as the Great White Hope

Landale is clearly a very good player, and with a bit more strength and experience will probably land an NBA gig. His flexibility, in being able to play minutes at the 5, is a handy backup.

Whether he should be "starting" is statistically irrelevant, but Kay is clearly the better player in this WC.

But, thinking he was the Messiah, is probably why they decided they didn't need Motum.

Then relegating Bolden to bench-warming undoubtedly caused his dummy spit.

I like Creek as a role player. He brings a great level of intensity.
And Goulding has been phenomenal.

Honestly, I don't know if things would look any different if we had other players on the end of the bench. It's almost practically impossible to use 12 players in a 40 minutes game.
But surely we would at least have better options that Creek in the 4 and Goulding in the 3?

Obviously big test coming against France, and hey if we keep on winning...

Agree D2.0. I'm sure you are all salivating with the Ballmus at the prospect seeing Simmons, Broekhoeff, Exum, Bolden added to this rotation for Tokyo.

It's worth looking at coach Flynn's analysis of the Boomers game on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/coachliamflynn/status/1170893187285757952?s=20

He also did this for other games too.