sharod
Last year

Viable NBL expansion beside Tasmania

There are load of Aussie and Kiwi talents coming through and are capable at the pro level. Any thoughts what other location(s) has high potential?

Definitely looking forward to another NZ team in the near future, but the high budget may prevent them from stepping in. Is community / cross regions model still viable approach in this league?

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Shagnasty  
Last year

I think it needs to be somewhere without a current team in a national sporting league so they can be the main focus of the sports pages and grab the corporate sponsorship.

Darwin perhaps?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Darwin has a gap in there sporting conscious at the moment as the NT thunder are getting shutdown by the AFL

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Anonymous  
Last year

Need an arena in Darwin to get a team there (I think they've got a 1300 seat stadium but that's not really big enough) . Based on a criteria of at least a 3000 seat arena (maybe a little small) in Australia we could go...
Ballarat (3000 seat arena)
Bendigo (4000)
Newcastle (4500)
Canberra (5000)
Gold Coast (5300)
Townsville (5300)

I don't think we're going back to the last 2 anytime soon, Newcastle and Canberra make some sense. Bendigo and Ballarat are getting a bit on the small size.

Probably look in New Zealand who have more arenas that don't have an NBL team.

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alexkrad  
Last year

Second New Zealand team makes sense now more than ever.
With the Breakers seeming to become less of the NZ focused team they had been a new team focusing on "grass roots" of a certain area, like SEM are trying to do, would be a great start.
Not sure exact location based on population or stadium sizes but the NZNBL looks like it has a few decently followed teams around the place that could maybe be leveraged from?

Canberra seems like obvious choice but I think may end up with the same type of interest as a Gold Coast team.

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D2.0  
Last year

Indonesia is one of the hosts for the next WC.
That should really re-ignite basketball interest in that country, and if the Jakarta venue is renovated to WC standards, it would make a good NBL venue.

Indonesia has a humongous population, and they are very patriotic, so there should be enough support there for a team. Plus that population should produce a few decent prospects.
Whilst their local stars are paid peanuts, so an NBL franchise could thrive there.

The league could start by paying for teams to take on a couple of Indonesian players in development spots for a season or 2, to give the basis of a development squad for the new team.

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Reality  
Last year

Have you been to Darwin? Its not big enough!

Not ready for NBL and won't be for a longtime most people have no interest in basketball let alone sport at all.

Better to Focus on Geelong/NZ or another WA team perhaps

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koberulz  
Last year

Indonesia has a humongous population, and they are very patriotic, so there should be enough support there for a team. Plus that population should produce a few decent prospects.
Would the Indonesian national team win a game in the NBL?

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D2.0  
Last year

Long, Long term, Darwin (or the Alice) holds promise.
(With enough government money)

Yes, it is mostly a footy state, but outdoor BBL courts are relatively cheap to build and maintain.

The big advantage that the NBL would have, is that the AFL simply cannot expand there. They play ONE game a year in the NT, at night, and they hate it. The climate simply cannot sustain an AFL team, because travelling there is such a huge disadvantage.

But obviously a decent NBL and training venue would be no problem for the local or visiting teams.

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Anonymous  
Last year

firstly names a completive team for TAS

IMPORTS and LOCALS

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D2.0  
Last year

"Would the Indonesian national team win a game in the NBL?"

There's a HUGE opportunity there, that is ripe for the picking.

Indonesia, as a co-host, will automatically qualify for the WC, but only if they can get their team up to something approaching international standard. The NBL could partner with them to make that happen.

Even so, not it wouldn't. But give them 3 imports and they might. :-)

The Slingers failed (in the NBL) because they had only 1 or 2 token locals, and couldn't generate enough support. The size of the Indonesian population makes it a more realistic proposition.

Of course, as in anywhere, you still need the MONEY to run an NBL franchise. But there plenty of Indonesia Billionaires (trillionaires if you count it in rupiah)

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Reality  
Last year

Darwin doesn't have the money or people to support it!
Its a boom and bust town that has none of the ingredients to support a team.



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Reality  
Last year

Indo are interesting but they don't produce players at the level to play in the NBL other than token end of the bench guys which half smart people see straight thru.

The NBL is a good standard to getting players from Indo at the level in the next 10/15 years would be a huge challenge.

If the y would support a team of Aussies/White people then its half a chance to work commercially however eyes don't equal cash as most people in Indo live in poverty.

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Isaac  
Last year

I wonder how much overlap there is between the "you can't even name a competitive team of leftover NBL players" and "players x,y,z deserve to be in the NBL more than players a,b,c" types.

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D2.0  
Last year

The Capitols seem to do ok in the WNBL??

Surely Canberra could sustain a men's team, with the right government backing?

They already have the Raiders, so maybe those fans would like a "summer" sport to follow?

I honestly don't know about the 2nd NZ team. I think its a great idea, but people have said that even the Breakers at their peak didn't draw huge crowds.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Japan

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't see any other vaible alternatives TBH.
The DEC with a small refurb is fine. Intrinicaly it's a sound place. Dated for sure but easily fixed. The surroundng area is screaming out for development and only in the last few days I have heard of another location that would be even more suitable with land to be developed but that would be a longer term propostion.
Kestelman basically wants the land for nothing with the deal he is currently negotiating with the GCC and the DEC.
The NBL history is there, the basketball boom now on SBS with the 2 NBA games a week is there, and the Boomers are booming.
THe Blitz is in town next week and I for one can't wait. I know I will be there to all the Hobart games with bells on!!!

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Curtley  
Last year

Problem with GC n Canberra is most people living there arent from there apparently.
Newcastle/Central coast maybe.
I think LK and BA need to discourage guys going to USA colleges and have a team of AIS guys that could hopefully get federal funding to stay afloat. Give the guys a free degree somewhere n team could be shared between a few locations.

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Luuuc  
Last year

The Capitols seem to do ok in the WNBL??

The Capitals do indeed do well. They're at the top end of WNBL teams thanks to the government & corporate support they get, and they've got good fan support too.

But the requirements to support an NBL team are an order of magnitude higher from the WNBL. Not sure if Canberra offers that. (You'd hope so, because if Canberra doesn't then probably no other non-capital city does either!)

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Anonymous  
Last year

GC is a proven failure. Canberra with all the sponsorship money in town proved it was unsustainable and last I heardBACT was a basketcase. They can't even get a SEABL/NBL1 side up anymore. THE AIS is simply a team of developing kids. Not of NBL calibre yet sorry.
Newcastle why?
Darwin I know nothing about except Perth go up their and take their money.
Townsville proved they weren't interested many times.
It still all points to Tassie. I have seen many iterations of a Tassie side happening but this is literally the closest Tas has ever ever been.
If they don't get up this time it will never succeed ever.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Next 2

Wellington
Canberra

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Anonymous  
Last year

Bendigo. Biggest basketball town in Australia

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Anonymous  
Last year

It would be a west Melbourne team like Geelong as vic team 3.

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Perthworld  
Last year

Interestingly the A-League have recently added a team from that area - West Melbourne/Geelong.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Knox stadium maybe within next 3 years 8000 plus seat.
A team somewhere else might play at a different venue until another gets built.


Ais arena holds 5500 so you'd think Canberra.
Newcastle has future stadium, not sure how big.
Western Sydney too.

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Anonymous  
Last year

There are some big regional areas in nsw, they are starved of any sport. Coffs Harbour used to be a big basketball centre. Not convinced any more teams in Melbourne will work, maybe Bendigo. Wellington from NZ, like the idea of Jakarta as well, 7 hours from Melbourne. The first place should be Tasmania.

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's tassie, Wellington, Canberra.

No one else is ready yet.

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sharod  
Last year

For potential 2nd NZ team, a merged regions (Canterbury-Southland-Wellington) could be big enough to house a team. Basketball market development is growing bigger each year in those areas.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wellington 2nd team on its own, eventually a 3rd

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Anonymous  
Last year

Theres heaps of Aussie talent because each NBL team only has 5 or 6 farking aussies!!!

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Smith  
Last year

Canberra won't happen. If you've lived there you'll understand.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yet they have an wnbl team. The same size arena as cairns.

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Anonymous  
Last year

WNBL in Canberra is vastly different to an NBL team. The scale of economics are way different!

These small coyotes and towns aren't big enough to sustain a team that can compete in the future nbl!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Will people get over Canberra. Theycan't even sustain a SEABL team let alone an NBL team.

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D2.0  
Last year

"GC is a proven failure. Canberra with all the sponsorship money in town proved it was unsustainable"

ROFL

If anywhere is a "proven failure" its Tasmania.

In fact you could also argue that Brisbane and Sydney are "proven failures"

End of the day, you can have an NBL team in MukinBudin if you have the money and a venue.

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D2.0  
Last year

"Will people get over Canberra. Theycan't even sustain a SEABL team."

Which in your mind proves what exactly?
That nobody was prepared to pay for a pointless tea in a (now defunct) 4th rate bush-league that nobody cares about.
And how does that translate to a National League.

The biggest challenge in the ACT is that the local ACT government is run by the flower-pot party, and believes organised sport is a fascist conspiracy to enslave women. And that most of the adults work for the government and spend all their spare time working on their 2nd or 3rd PhD in navel-fluff.
But surely there are some normal people there?

NBL teams depend on Largess, (which can be government sourced) and on the desire for prestige. Collectively no government(s) have more money than Canberra, and as a National Capital that the whole country laughs at, there must be some desire for prestige.
Also, if LK is intent on Getting Sheik Durka-Durka to invest in an NBL franchise, what could be more prestigious than the Nation's capitol?

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Anonymous  
Last year

A simple upgrade to ais stadium would see it go to 6500 seats.
Canberra can fill,that out easy, no issue with a Canberra team, only women Th people who reflect on the past and apply it to today.


For me, Wellington and Canberra are the next 2 for sure. Within 4 years...
Later on, Geelong and western Sydney. Lots of interest in western Sydney right now.
Much later, Newcastle and Gold Coast.
Much much later, a third nz team plus unkonown, could be Darwin, Townsville, Sunshine Coast.

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sharod  
Last year

There is rumor that Wellington is pursuing to play in ASEAN basketball league. Not sure how it can work out, perhaps something like what the South Huskies did in the NZNBL to subsidy the traveling cost. But the standard in ANBL is much better for the team to play in. NZ needs another full fledged professional team in the near future.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Dazz has lost it. (not unusual I know)

"That nobody was prepared to pay for a pointless tea in a (now defunct) 4th rate bush-league that nobody cares about."
SEABL is a 4th rate competition? Wow, you have lost it. So is the NBL1 competition a 10th rate bush-league?
So what you are also saying by implication is that the Canberra Gunners who were 0-24 last SEABL season competing in the 4th rate bush-league, now deserve an NBL team? Can you please explain where all this largess comes from across all teams? Other than Kestleman there is no largess. It's funny because he owns most of the teams. 100% sure that there is no Sheik Durka-Durka looking to invest in an NBL team in Canberra.

You truly are an idiot Dazz.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Newcastle the obvious next choice
Birthplace of the NBL
Largest regional centre in the country
Huge and growing basketball culture
Already runs 2 national sporting teams
It's ridiculous they dont have an NBL Team

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D2.0  
Last year

"SEABL is a 4th rate competition?"
WAS, and yeah I know, I was being generous.

"Canberra Gunners who were 0-24"
I hear the Brownies' Tambourine Festival didn't draw much of a paying crowd either. Is there a point at all to your ramblings?

"Can you please explain where all this largess comes from across all teams?"
You're joking right?
There are TWO teams in the NBL (probably in the entire history of the NBL) that pay their own way. Cairns, who basically suck and still get NBL handouts, and the Wildcats who fill a 13k stadium every game in addition to lucrative sponsorship.

Every other team relies on an owner with deep pockets.

LK's proposal to put a team in Tassie, requires the Tassie Govt to give him a bunch of free land, and subsidise the team $1.5M a year.
The only other "expansion" team is SEM, which is indeed funded by a Rich Billionaire.

If Wellington (NZ's Capitol) can come up with a decent venue, and money from either the government or a Kiwi Billionaire, they can have a team. Same applies to any location.

I have no idea if they would come to the party, but if you're going to the government begging, then Canberra would be a good place to start.

If LK has another Billionaire mate, who, like SEM, is prepared to invest, then the National Capitol is a better target than most.

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PyroCross  
Last year

Wellington is pursuing ASEAN, in part because the NBL has rebuffed them too many times to count. Also weary of how much revenue they can make with a craptastic 4,500 seat arena.

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Anonymous  
Last year

5600 seat arena in Wellington. Likely a,12,000 seat venue within 10 years.

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Anonymous  
Last year

After the success of the Blitz it's no one else but Tassie for a while now.

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John  
Last year

Considering the popularity growth with basketball at the moment, why don't we see more interest in new teams ??
I look on with envy, as the A-League announces prospective new licences, and bids fall over themselves, presenting new stadiums, clubs etc.

Most recently they had bids from South Melb, SE Melb, West Melbourne, and a couple in NSW, and QLD I think, for only two licenses. The bids presented looked amazing.

Is it history scaring people off doing the same for NBL ? Even with LK doing a great job ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

For the old timers, it's history.
But times change, and kestleman is not the same as his predecessors.

Wellington without a doubt should be 11 and Canberra team 12.
No where else in Aus is ready for at least 5 years. Talking Newcastle, western Sydney, Geelong, Gold Coast, Sunshine coat, Townsville, Darwin, nz 3, nz 4 etc etc.

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Nostraballmus  
Last year

Nostraballmus thanks you John for your poignant and thought provoking questions. Go You.

Your football reference is telling. Nostraballmus sees that bball in Oz right now can and should learn a lot from our round ball cosuin's successes and failures over the past 20 years, both in the national team and national league arena. l

Nostraballmus believes that establishing NBL basketball arms of A-league clubs in centres such as Newcastle and Western Sydney and Melbourne could be explored as aviable way of expansion whilst sharing risk and offering, if not year-round, a broadening of the audience on offer to potential sponsorship dollars.

Nostraballmus is an old man with a long memory and notes that the Socceroos in the early 2000's grappled with generations of not quite getting there and only when they asked the hard question 'do we have the right cattle?' and appointed a proven deliverer to work with their golden generation was their own holy grail achieved.


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Anonymous  
Last year

The a league is weaker with more teams, there is less money. LK is right slowly, slowly, get sides that going to be there long term, already Cairns and Illawarra struggling with the extra spend.
Tasmanian and Wellington should cap it off for a while, a good eleven team competition of three time against each opponent, alternate years gets the home court advantage. Thirty rounds plus finals and a five team semifinals.

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Tassie Devil  
Last year

So how much money is the A League losing per season?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Enormous amount... a league falling fast.

Kestleman said he would have 12 teams within next 5 years.
Although Wellington seems like the obvious choice, will Walsh sacrifice some of the market?
Canberra with the ais stadium already built and 5000 seats with only three open sides for seating, adding in a 4th bigger seating area where the stage is could get the seating to 6500+ with little financial input. That's bigger than cairns and Illawarra.
Plenty big enough for Canberra at this stage.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I would like to see a second Sydney team

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robt  
Last year

I like, very much, the idea of a couple of teams in markets that are big enough and that can afford it. Therefore Sydney (proper, as opposed to Illawarra or even Newcastle or Canberra) makes sense to me.

However, I wonder why Perth, say Fremantle, isn't discussed. Here's why I like that Idea.

Recently, there has been talk of AFL getting inolved with the NBL. There is already a WA SBL team there, the Dockers, would you believe (part of the AFL club?)? Here's a great chance to try it. Free-o already have a football following who may take up NBL in the summer.Out of both the AFL's and NBL's heartlands, the experiment can be viewed from afar, so to speak, minimising risk if not successful (rather than trying it in Melb, the heartland of both codes).

Perth are so strong, with 12,000+ at home games, stable as, a great record and obviously a very well run club all round. For another club to compete with that they would have to be as "good", all round, or no-one would take notice of the "new" team. The Dockers would already have the infrastructure and management team who could run or direct that side of things.

Free-o is less than an hour from Perth but many would-be NBL fans may not bother (some people!?) or maybe can't make the early game times (due to TV schedules for the eastern markets).

The Wildcats have done, and are doing a fabulous job in the west. I reckon they deserve and would welcome a local rival.

The obvious question is, is Perth a big enough market for 2 teams? My only answer to that is that they support 2 AFL teams. Reckon that that would be a tougher gig.

For similar reasons, I favour a Wellington entry ('cept they don't have an AFL team, yet).

Perthworld, what do you think? Could you stand another club?



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Perthworld  
Last year

It wouldn't work. Dockers fans follow the Wildcats if they are into NBL.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The south of w.a is not big enough population, it's actually plateauing with all the mining jobs shutting down.

Nz could easily support 3 teams right now. Wellington has to be a lock. Getting nbl1 oberthere there to would be good,too.

Act and nt are the only 2 territories,without a club. Canberra has a stadium and twice the population of cairns. lock.

Newcastle need some time, a new basketball hub within the next decade, hopefully a stadium upgrade

Geelong should be vic 3 but I would wait several years as the population goes,over 300,000.

Gold Coast soaring in basketball sign ups and popularity. NRL team not certain of future. Could be back again.


12:teams - next 3 seasons.

1 wa
1sa
2 vic
2 nsw
2 nz
2 qld
1 act
1 tas

16 teams - next decade or more.
3 nsw - Add Newcastle
3 vic - Add Geelong
3 qld - Add Gold Coast
3 nz - Add (Christchurch, Napier, Hamilton )




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anon  
Last year

"Recently, there has been talk of AFL getting inolved with the NBL. There is already a WA SBL team there, the Dockers, would you believe (part of the AFL club?)? "

Umm, there is no WA SBL team known as Fremantle Dockers. Not sure where you got that from Robt?!

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D2.0  
Last year

"There is already a WA SBL team there, the Dockers, would you believe "

I'll admit to not following the SBL very closely, but that's news to me??

Is that a new team entering??

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D2.0  
Last year

The thing to remember with the Dockers, is that its all based on BS.

"Oh, Freo's so special, Freo has its own identity & culture, Freo has such a proud tradition in Football" and its all a load of wank.

If Freo restricted their membership, to people with an actual connection to Fremantle (past or present) They'd have (pro rata) about 2,000 members.

Simple fact is that there is a HUGE amount of money for AFL in Perth, and a lot of local talent. They could have called the new team Innaloo or Cockburn, and it still would have worked Financially.

For a 2nd NBL team, you'd have to go much wider, and aim say for a "South of the River" team. (Yes, that's a thing, Perth is basically divided North & South)
Therefore pushing the idea that the Wildcats are the NOR team.
It would still be a tough sell, because the Wildcats' support is ubiquitous.

We have a much smaller population than Melbourne, yet have bigger membership than MU. That's not intended as a boast, just an indication of the market penetration the Cats have.

Also, unlike Melbourne, and Even Sydney, we've only ever had one NBL team. So there's none of the "My team were the Magic, I hate the Tigers/MU" type thing.

If you had the money, and could put the effort into Community development, it could be made to work, but would take a LONG time.

On the idea of a Dockers AFL - NBL tie up, yes it gives you access to money, expertise, and existing membership, but I don't know if that would be enough.

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Tassie Devil  
Last year

"Plenty big enough for Canberra at this stage."

They couldn't even run a SEABL side let alone an NBL side. Utter bollocks.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"They couldn't even run a SEABL side let alone an NBL side. Utter bollocks."

Yep, and the guy who started a business selling stick-on Tony Abbott Ears also went bust.
Conclusive proof that every Canberra based Venture will fail.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Good we agree.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Canberra needs a team after Tasmania
The NBL1 needs to be Australian wide

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KET  
Last year

No more than 10 teams in the NBL, not enough supporters or talent

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Anonymous  
Last year

Lol, kestleman said he wants 12.

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KET  
Last year

Yeah he foresees another vic club minimum and potentially another Perth one.

I don't agree with a league style attempt at 3 Victorian and nsw clubs, certainly don’t view WA having two clubs despite wildcats success

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's Wellington and Canberra. There are no other viable options for at least 6 years.

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KET  
Last year

I'd like to see Wellington for that NZ rivalry. Can’t see Canberra managing to sustain a team.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Western Sydney have a big following.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Western Sydney don't have a stadium though. Basketball stadiums in Sydney are third rate. NSW government give to much money to rugby league stadiums to see them empty except for one origin game and The GF. If Melbourne make GF tonight against Canberra they will be giving half the tickets away yet basketball gets f..k all.

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cosby  
Last year

Bring back the West Sydney Razorbacks

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Anonymous  
Last year

Has the condemned Whitlam Centre ever been rebuilt?

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Anonymous  
Last year

No, be good spot for 6 to 8 thousand seat stadium at Liverpool.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Lol No NRL tickets will be given away

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Anonymous  
Last year

They do every year, Melbourne win tomorrow it'll be 25% of the crowd, I know I’ve been a benefactor of it many times

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Anonymous  
Last year

West Sydney. What a joke.
You know the history don't you? Bankstown Bruins, West Sydney Westars, Razorbacks. Seriously what had changed?

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Anonymous  
Last year

CU360: With that, will there be further expansion in the NBL?

LK: I don't know, but we can certainly look at some stage at another team in Melbourne. I think there’s potential for a third team and another team in Sydney at some stage. We’re talking about Tasmania. So I would think there is a limit. I don’t want to go to too many. I think it’s definitely quality over quantity, but I would think 12 is about the maximum that Australia can sustain. We want aspiration to try to bring teams in from overseas. Our friends at FIBA are still getting comfortable with that idea, but I’d love to see a team playing around Asia. How fun would it be if there was a team in Japan playing in our league or from a different part of Asia? That would be terrific. We’re in a similar time zone, the flight is [around] the same distance as it is from New Zealand to Perth. So, yeah, we’ve got big goals, big aspirations. I always feel like we’re now an official business, it’s run well, a great team, and I always feel like there’s a lot more to do.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So LK wants Tas, Melbourne, Sydney then Asia

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Ando  
Last year

Wellington is viable, they dominate the NZ league and have the money. The north island can sustain 2 teams, include the hutt and porirua and you've got a 400,000 base. Given the growth of basketball I don't see why Christchurch couldn't give it a shot, there's a brilliant stadium there, and give Invercargill and Dunedin a game or two a year as well (or stay at home and for Saturday games promote to the south with putting on some buses and discounted accommodation). Then you could use the NZ league like the old days of domestic rugby and super rugby. Southland Otago Nelson and Christchurch attached to the South Island team, Wellington Manawatu Taranaki Hawkes Bay to the Wellington team, Hamilton (if they ever get another team) and everything Auckland and north to the breakers. Something similar in football would be brilliant as well.

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D2.0  
Last year

I think people are asking the wrong question:

If you're asking what new locations can organically and sustainably support an NBL franchise, then the answer is probably "nowhere."

If you were to ask what locations COULD support a franchise with the right funding, then there are too many possibilities.

The real Q&A lies somewhere in between the two.

LK apparently wants 12 teams. Not a bad number for a sustainable league.
So I think the question is twofold:
Where does the NBL WANT the 3 extra teams to be, and
Where will the necessary money emerge?

It's nice that he is pushing so hard for a Tassie team. I have always thought they should have had an AFL team, but the AFL are jerks. So its nice of LK to give them their own State Team.
So lets assume that's a goer, and that leaves us with two more teams to place.

I like the idea of a 2nd NZ team, but i just don't see it happening. Certainly not as a priority for one of the two remaining slots. I see NZ focus as being on expanding and solidifying the NZBL, whilst keeping the Breakers as THE NZ team.

I think that a 2nd Sydney team is a foregone conclusion, at some point. But they will need some government cash to upgrade or a replace a decent home base & training venue.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Worked so well b4 didn't it.

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robt  
Earlier this year

Anon 765029, you wrote:

"West Sydney. What a joke.
You know the history don't you? Bankstown Bruins, West Sydney Westars, Razorbacks."
You could add Nunnawading, Coburg, Geelong, Tassie (Devils), Canberra, Forestville, Gold Coast, Townsville, Newcastle.... that will do, to your list and finish off with nearly the whole of the NBL.

Firstly, do you really want history deciding your future?

Secondly, your final question .. "Seriously what had changed?"

For the league.
*A tremendous Lazarus-style comeback from near annihilation.
*A fabulous WC campaign for the Boomers.
*Fabulous prospects for the Tokyo games.
*LK
*A great couple of years of NBL comp, starting with last year's 4 x OT game between predicted 1st and last place holders all the way through to last night's 2 upsets.
*Tassie expansion plans.
*Tassie's staging of the Blitz.
*Vastly increased numbers in attendances, domestic and international viewers.
*Expansion happening now, and with lots of up-front support (LK, again).
*Commercially, Sydney, numerically the biggest market, desperately needs a second team (3rd, if you include Illawarra).

For Sydney.
*Bogut (playing)
*Bogut (ownership)
*Qudos (filling up with up to 17,000+)
*Hawks generating immense publicity
*Hawks v Kings already becoming a featured rivalry (Lamelo)
*Slightly improved attendances for the Hawks (Lamelo)


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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Excellent work robt
To much common sense there for most to understand.

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Bear  
Earlier this year

I tend to agree with the wait and consolidate what we will have once Tasmania enters the NBL, with 10 teams it is a viable league and the NBL1 is there to judge who may be the next suitor, but for now, I would consolidate with 10 teams and not get too carried away...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Hobart 21/22
Wellington 23/24
Canberra 25/26

Stop

Team 13 after 2030.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

"Worked so well b4 didn't it"

So, to follow your logic...
There should be no Tasmanian team;
SEM Phoenix should not exist;
Brisbane Bullets should have been brought back;
Neither should the Sydney Kings;
Hawks and Taipans should be gone since they would have failed without league support;
And to be fair, there should be no team in Melbourne since the Tigers failed and had to be bailed out and rebranded.
Furthermore, the Wildcats would not exist today without the support of a Dr Jack and the government, concepts you apparently reject.
So that leaves Adelaide and the Breakers. Have fun with that.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

We're you around was a when the Bruins et. al. existed? If so please tell us why it will work now.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

"Western Sydney don't have a stadium though. Basketball stadiums in Sydney are third rate. NSW government give to much money to rugby league stadiums to see them empty except for one origin game and The GF. "

They need a decent home-base. Somewhere to a professional standard, to train and host the odd pre-season game.

I don't know Sydney well enough to comment with any authority, but I do find it funny, because Olympic Park is actually part of Paramatta, and some Kings fans regard that as already being in "West Sydney." LOL

A West Sydney team would have to play its games at the State Sports Centre and Qudos, just like the Kings. I would imagine that train and motorway access would be as good as anywhere??

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney Olympic Park is certainly not in the west of Sydney, maybe 60 years ago, now inner west city fringes. Blacktown would be the centre of Sydney and has a large African community and good basketball area but no decent stadium.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

We're you around was a when the Bruins et. al. existed? If so please tell us why it will work now.

What??

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

And to be fair, there should be no team in Melbourne since the Tigers failed and had to be bailed out and rebranded.
When did that happen?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Pretty sure that technically the true centre of Sydney is out Parramatta way. The used to be sign pointing to it years ago.
Did the E.G. Whitlam centre ever get uncondemmned?

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