Isaac
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FIBA World Cup Award Winners

MVP
Ricky Rubio (ESP)

All-Star 5
Bogdan Bogdanovic (SRB)
Evan Fournier (FRA)
Ricky Rubio (ESP)
Marc Gasol (ESP)
Luis Scola (ARG)

Player of the Final
Ricky Rubio (ESP)

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LC  
Last month

Was Mills robbed?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Patty was absolutely robbed on this one. Should've been in over Fournier for sure

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Miloš Obilić  
Last month

Mills lost to Fournier because of the bronze medal match. If Australia got bronze, Mills would have been in there. Australia wouldn't have got this far without Mills, but he did some bad plays at the end against Spain & France.

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Reality  
Last month

Mills wasn't great down the stretch of the two games that counted!

He did have a great tourney but france winning gives Evan the nod.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Just because France won doesn't mean Fournier should've been included. If that is the case then Patty should be included over Bogdan.

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Miloš Obilić  
Last month

Fournier top scored to beat the US. Patty choked at the end against Spain & France. Bogdanović was tournament top scorer.

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Isaac  
Last month

One of Bogdan, Fournier or Mills was going to miss out, if we're assuming Rubio is safe. Bogdan finished with 28 against the USA and 31 in his final game.

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LV  
Last month

Patty the 2nd leading scorer in the tourney, one point behind Bogdanovic. Shot the ball at 50% including 40% from 3. Was easily Australia's best player across the tournament, and was excellent in the QF, the SF, plus the group wins vs France and Lithuania.

Fournier averaged 3ppg less than Patty and shot 42% from the field. Shot around 35% across France’s three finals games, where Gobert and De Colo were their best players in their two key wins (QF vs US and last night).

Is this called "kicking a man while he’s down"?

FIBA really is inviting people to accuse them of Euro bias....

What a joke.

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Luuuc  
Last month

Personally I think you have to find a spot for Mills in the 5. An absolute standout on a team that finished 4th.

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paul  
Last month

"Patty choked at the end against Spain & France"

If his 49 points on 46% shooting in the medal round was a choke that excludes him (and yeah, I get you're talking about late in games), then Fournier's 32 points on 32% shooting in the medal round must be classed as full-game chokes that exclude him, no?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I thought Rubio was bad early in the tournament and even towards the end I didn't think he was dominant.

For a large part of the tournament I thought Spain were better with Llull on over Rubio. I wouldn’t even have him in my all star 5, let alone MVP.

Gasol deserves MVP for his semi final heroics.

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Greggo  
Last month

Patty pretty much identical stats to Bogdan, one player carries a team to over-perform, the other on a hugely under-performing team. Seem pretty unfair to me.

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paul  
Last month

I wouldn't say Serbia losing one game and finishing 5th is a massive underachievement.

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D2.0  
Last month

Results will also be skewed by teams performance
Rubio is Spain's best player, Spain is the best team, it makes sense.

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Greggo  
Last month

Well Serbia were second favourite, moving to favourite throughout the tourney. Australia started 11th favourite.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Results will also be skewed by teams performance
Rubio is Spain's best player, Spain is the best team, it makes sense."

That woulds be fair but then by the same logic Australia is better than Serbia so Patty is more deserving than Bogdan

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Anonymous  
Last month

Patty was robbed. Either it's judged mostly on individual performance, in which case Bogdan and Patty are in. Or it's team performance in which was Fournier and Patty are in. He was exceptional and the Boomers probably weren't even a top-8 team without him. Neither Bogdan nor Evan elevated their team as much as Patty did the Boomers.

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Nostraballmus  
Last month

Nostraballmus hopes you watched all games not just the Boomers games.
Who do you take out for Patty ? Rubio - no, Gasol - no, Bogdan - no, Scola - no
It essentially was Patty or Fournier, France medalled, so Fournier in.


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Anonymous  
Last month

Australia, ranked 11th in the world, finishes 4th in the world cup without a player worthy of All-Star 5....hmmmm!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lemanis coach of the tournament by that logic then!

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LV  
Last month

[Patty was robbed. Either it's judged mostly on individual performance, in which case Bogdan and Patty are in. Or it's team performance in which was Fournier and Patty are in.]

This bears repeating.

My argument for Patty over Fournier was that Patty was more valuable to his team, and played better overall. If the reply is "Well France finished higher" then why the heck did Bogdanovic make it over Patty?

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Isaac  
Last month

Not saying this was it, but it could be a factor:

Mills: 22.8 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 3.9 APG.
Fournier: 19.8 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 3 APG
Bogdanovic: 22.9 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 4.4 APG

Bogdan was the best of the three in each of those major statistical categories. Maybe that gave him an edge, then whichever of Fournier or Mills took the bronze was the other spot.

FWIW,
Rubio: 16.4 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 6 APG
Gasol: 14.4 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 4.1 APG

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LV  
Last month

Patty shot 50% from the field and 86% free throws

Fournier 42% and 72%.

Patty had more turnovers, but really, factoring in overall stats, it's not even close.

Neither is it close in their impact. Gobert dominated against the USA, De Colo was their best vs Australia, and Fournier went missing, shooting 32% over their semi final and bronze match. He was too fatigued from Delly's intense defense that he couldn't consistently hit layups against us!

With 32 teams in the comp, it's a wonder they don't do a 2nd team. If they did, Patty would be a certainty and Ingles would be likely. Baynes would be in the mix too- but his chances would be hurt by his injury and only playing 13 minutes in the last game.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Euro baskets World Cup awards, did a second team and Mills and Inglis were in it, Baynes got honourable mention.

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D2.0  
Last month

Hard to say without knowing who voted, how, and why?

I can easily make a case for not including Patty. What I can't do is make a case for Fournier over Mills.

The only thing I can think of is that they have picked according to the formula: PG, 2 wings, PF, C??

I only suggest that becuase the Argie PG, Campazzo(?) and even the Serbian were probably stiffed.

I suspect, as some have alluded to above, that Founrnier got more "votes" because they finished on a win.

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