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WA State Champs 2019: Club Rankings

Two weeks done and dusted for the WA State Championships. Below is the list of clubs ranked by how many of their respective teams have made Grand Finals in Championship Division & Division 2 with the number of Championships won in brackets after the team name, which should give us an indication of how clubs are going in terms of athlete and team development.

10 - Willetton Tigers (7);
6 - Warwick Senators (2);
3 - Joondalup Wolves (1)
2 - Cockburn Cougars (1); Kalamunda Eastern Suns (2); Lakeside Lightning (2);
1 - Busselton Bullets (1); Geraldton Buccs (0); Perth Redbacks (1); Perry Lakes Hawks (0)

What this shows us:

1. Despite other clubs claims (Destination of choice for Basketball anybody?) Willo are still the power club in WA and nothing has changed that. 10 teams in grand finals, with two grand finals consisting of two Willo teams. People claim the gap is closing but based on the above figures, this would prove otherwise
2. Warwick are definitely making massive strides in their junior program, but their record of only winning 1 out of every 3 grand finals they make would be something they want to address moving forward. Have well and truly overtaken their neighbours in the Wolves and Hawks
3. The fact that Mandurah and Rockingham are not represented at all sends alarm bells for the two southern metro clubs. The question has to be asked, especially in the case of the Flames, has too much emphasis been placed on SBL success and now the WABL program is suffering from a clear lack of development.
4. Whilst they only made two grand finals each, the fact that both the Lightning and the Suns won any grand final they participated in says alot about how their players handle big games.

Interesting to say the least and I would love to hear others thoughts

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Would get destroyed by any Melbourne based club

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Not that this post had anything to do with an us vs them mentality, but...

2019 U14 National Club Champs

7th - Willetton Tigers (WA)
8th - Dandenong Rangers
12th - Warwick Senators (WA)
13th - Kilsyth Cobras
17th - Geelong Supercats

10th - Willetton Tigers
12th - Nunawading Spectres
Cool argument Anon - jog on mate

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No Eagles teams.

For a long time now they have been a poor cousin to the other three powerful northern associations (PL, Wolves, Senators). I wonder what the future holds for East Perth.

When there has been discussion over reducing the number of SBL teams, the Eagles are always one of the first to be mentioned, with the suggestion either being that they get cut altogether or merge with Senators.

They have been an club lacking an identity for a long time and haven't had a true home, a bit nomadic you could say. Every other association from Wolves to Mandurah has either been located at the same stadium for many years or have recently moved into an upgraded venue. The Eagles are the exception.

In an SBL sense, the Albany area is going gangbusters (it has a higher population that Geraldton or Kalgoorle). Are they a likely option to take over the Eagles SBL license with WABL players then distributing out to the other northern/eastern associations?

Is EP's time numbered as a valid Association/SBL license holder?

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is this for junior teams only ? and then if so what age groups does it encompass ?

U12/14/16/18s only ?

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First two weeks of BWA State Championships which were U11 Boys and Girls, U13 Girls, U15 Girls, U17 Boys and Girls, U19 Boys and Girls across the top two divisions

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Yet East Perth have produced more NBL players in recent times, with Tom Jervis, Sunday Dech and most recently Chuatwech Reath as a DP. Even Keanu Pinder playing in Europe came from East Perth

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More to do with the coach than the club maybe?

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Yeah I would strongly agree that all were heavily influenced by Forde in their development, no coincidence there. My apologies too, their U15 Div 2 Girls won their grand final last weekend so add them to the list. Who is the biggest concern right now in terms of development: East Perth or Rockingham / Mandurah? Whilst there has long been an argument to dissolve the Eagles and have them merge with neighbouring clubs, the argument could be made that the Flames and Magic merging could definitely improve their junior stocks whilst also giving them access to two refurbished facilities and allow them to branch out in the south coast region - much like what Geelong have done with Corio Bay over in the VJBL.

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Jo Lual Achuil, Matur Maker and Duop Reath also played age group basketball for East Perth.

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so at U14 club nationals - the WA teams have been playing U15 comp - so against 1st year U16s ? Is that correct - surely that would help playing against a year older kids rather than year younger ? Or does qualification birthdate rule vary in WA ?

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I've always found the WA teams competitive for sure.

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Anyone who thinks that WA teams are allowed to play kids a year older are about as daft and a box of hammers.

The teams who play 13u this season will then qualify and play 14u next year. So kids the same age as all others in the tournament.

For 16/18/20 Nationals, it's all game based as well. Doesn’t matter how you run your programs locally.

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most clubs use State champs as grading or WABL selection trials, and they are only short games so dont think they are a good indicator. The WABL results are much better indication of success of junior programs as they cover a whole season
For 2019
finalists and winners over all WABL finals
final wins
tigers 14 8
hawks 10 7
senators 9 5
Eagles 4 3
Lakeside 3 2
Suns 4 1
magic 3 1
Slammers 1 1
Redbacks 3 0
flames 2 0
wolves 2 0
raiders 1 0
cockburn 0 0

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what I said was do they play at home in U15 comp ? other states U14 club champs teams play in U14 comp at home - so playing against U15 comp back home would help ?

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Its really not that hard "?"

Next years Under 14 Touring Teams (Teams attending Under 14 Club Nationals) play Under 13 Championship Division at the previous year's State Championships.

U11 State Champs = Following years U12 WABL
U13 State Champs = Following years U14 WABL
U15 State Champs = Following years U16 WABL
etc etc

Do we get the picture now mate?

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ok i never knew they played odd year state champs

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Elite Clubs - Willetton, Perry Lakes, Joondalup
On The Rise - Warwick, Kalamunda, Lakeside
Going Backwards - Rockingham, Mandurah, Cockburn, East Perth, Perth, South West
Too Early To Tell - Hills

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Insider, your comment only makes sense if you base your logic in:

"The measure of a successful junior programs is in how many games or championships they win"

If you look at retention, translation into SBL programs and overall happiness inside programs, you would have a very different table..

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