Isaac
Last year

James Harden dunk vs Spurs



The dunk goes in, wraps around and then bobbles out on its second time. Refs called it a missed dunk, then couldn't review it. Rockets got taken to double overtime and ended up losing...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Showing refereeing is a tough job and you can't always get it right.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wow so if it went back in the second time would that be 4 point play lol

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Isaac  
Last year

Showing refereeing is a tough job and you can't always get it right.
Yep. You can have all the professionalism and pay of the NBA and still screw up basic things, infuriate people with challenge systems, etc.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maybe like tennis you could have a challenge system, not on fouls but outs and obviously on wether the ball goes in. One call a half, you get call right you keep it, wrong and see you later. Baskets scored behind or in front charge line would be interesting as well.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Rockets already talking protest

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Isaac  
Last year

From Twitter:

A Rockets source is optimistic that the NBA office will take action regarding James Harden's dunk that didn't count, either awarding the win to Houston or ordering that the final 7:50 be replayed because the Rockets outscored the Spurs in regulation.


Just noticed that Harden went 4/20 from 3P. 24/24 FT at least. Westbrook was 7/30 from the field.

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Ben  
Last year

Can't believe the Spurs won. Gave up watching the game when they were thoroughly getting pumped.

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

Surely replaying a quarter and/or awarding the win to Houston sets a dangerous precedent.

If results can be overturned based on evidence of incorrect/non-calls at any point where there is time remaining on the clock, at what point does the NBA draw a line?

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Luuuc  
Last year

This is possibly even more ridiculous than that time the Wildcats lost when they might have won instead had things gone differently at an earlier stage.
Once they let that get to the end of the game there's really no acceptable way they can make up for it. A dunk shot so nice it almost went in twice. The only positive is that it happened to Harden.

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AngusH  
Last year

Was that the worst 50 point game of all time? 4-20 from 3, 11-38 overall, and 24 FTM. Jeezus, gross.

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

Technically 12-38* if that makes a difference ;)

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mo, I guess the difference is that this wasn't a missed call or a mistake from the ref. It was a made basket (that isn't in dispute) but due to the way the ball bounced it appeared to miss.

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

A similar instance happened last year where Manu Ginobili attempted a pass, but made the shot. Play continued as if it had missed. The refs eventually incorrectly counted it as a two-pointer, then corrected it as a three later in the game.

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/21946914/manu-ginobili-san-antonio-spurs-hits-3-pointer-attempting-pass

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KET  
Last year

When a player people don't like gets screwed and more people find it funny than fume, we shall forever call this the James Harden Rule.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Well, it was the wrong call, but PlaymakerMo is right. You can't change the outcome of a game that was played the rest of the way based on a certain scoreline. From up 13 with 8 minutes to play, Houston should have won the game, whether the dunk was counted or not.

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Perthworld  
Last year

What's the point of having every feed routed through Secaucus if something like this doesn't get picked up?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Perthworld, it's not reviewable you moron

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Anonymous  
Last year

Perthworld and D2.0.
Oh my how the forum standards have diminished.

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D2.0  
Last year

"This is possibly even more ridiculous than that time the Wildcats lost when they might have won instead had things gone differently at an earlier stage."

The one that springs to mind is the time some boobjob official told the refs Fisher had fouled out, and he had to sit on the bench for a bit, whilst the game continued, before it was corrected.
Perth managed to stuff-up 4 open chances to win the game, before losing to Brissy in quadruple overtime.
Ironically with Fisher setting the (never to be beaten) record for minutes played.

But that said, I'm not sure exactly what the rules say about this.
Is it an error of judgement, or simply a recording error.
At what point does the score become official? I would assume that even in the NBA, the officials sign the scoresheet and that's that.

IMHO this is an error of judgement, and therefore not over-turnable.
Otherwise, as many have pointed out, where does it end?

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

"Perthworld, it's not reviewable you moron"

That's kind of the point. Harden clearly scored, the NBA had ample resources to confirm this beyond doubt in real-time, and yet neglected to correct the situation due to a technicality?

Now the NBA may award the win anyway, after-the-fact. What a farce.

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Perthworld  
Last year

Yay for understanding!

They decked out a state of the art instant replay centre in Secaucus and it's going to waste. In other sports the TMO and even the much maligned VAR can intervene when something way less egregious than this is missed.

Also this wasn't a subjective call like a block/charge interpretation - the ball actually physically went in the hoop. The officials aren't being undermined. A positive from all of this is you would think they will alter their review policies to be less rigid.

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Melvin Corpuscle  
Last year

In one of Shaq's last games for Miami he was incorrectly fouled out with 2mins or so left in the game ... league made the teams come back a week later and replay the last two mins.
In that week shaq was traded to Phoenix, so didn't play the replay game anyway !!!

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Anonymous  
Last year

The only person that was right was harden. The refs stuffed up because where did they think the ball could possibly go if someone is throwing it down.
Could be the people that tied the net up were at fault or the length of it because that should just not happen it was as clean a dunk as you will see

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Cram  
Last year

Yeah its crazy that they can just change the call on a 2/3 point shot from the replay centre and just move on, or change whether someone beat the buzzer etc, but can't just go back and add the two points on what was a clear made shot. Its a lack of common sense.

Having said that, giving Houston the win or replaying the last 7:50 would be dumb. It was a bad call, but thats part of basketball.

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koberulz  
Last year

It's not a situation the rules allow the replay center to review, though. Probably because nobody considered that it's the sort of thing that would ever need to be reviewed.

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Bear  
Last year

Mistake made, game won/lost, result is in the books, move on...

Or, give the Boomers a rematch against Spain LOL!!

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Cram  
Last year

I get that, but that shows how common sense hasn't/can't be used because of technicalities.

And the whole "you can't ask for an official review because you didn't do it within 30 seconds while we were trying to figure out what happened" thing is laughable.

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robt  
Last year

Can't understand the NBA not insisting on a replay, in fact, a best-of-3 decider, all on prime time.

After the NBA/China debacle putting $4Billion in jeopardy, the NBA could probably do with the financial bonanza of replaying that game several times.

May even outdo the Lamelo viewership!

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Isaac  
Last year

Perthworld and D2.0.
Oh my how the forum standards have diminished.
I'd take them over comments like yours and the one immediately before it...

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

To make it worse, Cram: D'Antoni insists that he tried to challenge the ruling on two separate occasions.

The first ruling of the play didn't get a response from the refs, then the refs changed their explanation and A'Antoni wasn't allowed to - apparently because of the 30 second rule...

I don't recall D'Antoni having a history of making things up to prove a point. If true, more evidence of a lack of common sense.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Having said that, giving Houston the win or replaying the last 7:50 would be dumb. It was a bad call, but thats part of basketball."

It wasn't a "call" though. The basket went in, no refs call was needed. The points should have counted and Houston should be given the victory.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Extremely unlucky, and i'd be pretty salty to lose after having 2 points not counted, but going back and changing a result based on an incorrect decision by the refs just opens up a whole new can of worms

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KET  
Last year

A no call is still a call; you can't just weight the value of bad calls on the final score to dictate who wins. If the score had counted, we can't say what would have happened in the last 7-8 minutes of the game (or the overtimes should they have occurred).

Bad calls happen, fix it so that something like that can be reviewed for sake of sanity, and move on.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yeah Isaac Perthworlds comments about male referees menstral cycles in another thread are exactly what the forum needs to drive standards.

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koberulz  
Last year

The points should have counted and Houston should be given the victory.
So much of the final minute or two of a game is dictated by time and score, so it's absurd to say Houston should just be given the win. The teams would have played completely differently in the closing possessions had those two points been on the scoreboard.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Result should stand. League should amend the rules so that if it happens again, it can be corrected from New Jersey.

What happens if the missed basket (or say, a basket called as made that didn't actually go in) occurs with 3 minutes to play, and teams continue for the next 3 possessions before being notified of the change? Do they reset to the point of the make/miss?

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Final minute or two"
well seeing as it actually it happened with nearly 8 minutes left I suppose that makes it quadruple absurd to say that Houston should be given the W

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MACDUB  
Last year

I watched the last 10 minutes of the game.
Without doubt IMO Harden and Westbrook straight out gave up. So many possessions that they weren't even trying.
I know NBA games are really glorified pick up games, but thats no excuse for a lack of effort especially when you're being paid what you are.

Glad they lost in the end because they simply didn't deserve to win.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Final minute or two"
well seeing as it actually it happened with nearly 8 minutes left I suppose that makes it quadruple absurd to say that Houston should be given the W"

It doesnt matter if it happened in the first or last minute of the game. Houston made a legit field goal that was not counted. The score sheet needs to reflect that and if that means they win the game, so be it.

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KET  
Last year

It doesn't need to reflect that because it wasn't called a score.

Bad calls happen. Bad calls affect the score. We don't go back and retrospectively deal with every bad call ever made.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Bad call on Bogut cost us a certain medal. What's done is done.

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's not a bad call made by the refs though. It's a scorebench error. There is no argument the ball went in but the scorebench didn't pick it up.

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Peter  
Last year

Here is another howler missed call

NBA 2019: LeBron James travel video vs Utah Jazz, Lakers | scores
https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/lebron-james-gets-away-with-audacious-travel-in-lakers-win/news-story/2d101c2822c790653b41c43c511ee1a3

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KET  
Last year

How can it be a scorebench error?

Scorebench don't determine if a score counts, the refs do.

When there is a score, the opposition player needs to pass the ball in from behind the baseline, you can't just rebound it and run with it. They don't wait for the score bench before they pass it in.



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Anonymous  
Last year

"It's not a bad call made by the refs though. It's a scorebench error. There is no argument the ball went in but the scorebench didn't pick it up."


The scorebench goes off the refs calls. Haven't you ever noticed the refs turn to the bench to signal a made shot before? And put up three fingers for a 3?

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D2.0  
Last year

The refs got it wrong, and they should be criticised for that.
Whether it was technically reviewable or not, they should have had the sense to look at a replay, rather than guessing.
But they didn't. Refs made a mistake, it happens. It might be "unfair" but its also part of the game.

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