Jack Toft
Last year

Bullets v Breakers Dec 27

Another double point game. Breakers are almost broken, and the Bullets are almost shot, but a win keeps them both still in the hunt.

Every time these teams hit the court you don't really know which team will roll up. One day the smooth symphony plays, the other is like a Rick Sanchez grunge band. Tipping these games is hard, damn hard, but tipping the correct wrong answer takes just as much skill as tipping the correct right answer.

Brisbane have been a disappointment this season. The less said about them, the better. The Breakers have had their issues on an off the court and have only won once on the road, albeit it against the Hawks. They are gunning for 3 wins in a row, something they haven't achieved since Jacinda Ardern held her annual hugfest.

You would think Brisbane should be fired up with this one. There's no real advantage that NZ have over them in the matchups, but the Kiwis seem hungrier for a win.

Breakers by 4

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Mystro  
Last year

Richard Clarke has left Brisbane mid season, do they have culture issues? Someone please warn the Bullets about accepting free drinks in Perth.

NZ starting to find some form which coincides with some consistency in their playing group.
Hopefully both squads can turn up healthy and the refs can let the players decide the outcome.

NZ by 8.

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Anonymous  
Last year

This weekend's games will be a big indicator of Shamir's ability. The Breakers have had a consistent line up for a few weeks with plenty of practice time. This weekend they play two guns - Patterson and Randle - who caused them strife not long ago. It will be interesting to see what the Breakers do to limit their touches and disrupt their flow. They did a good job against Roberson and I'm picking them to go 2 for 2 this weekend as Hopson will be unstoppable.

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Ben  
Last year

Anyone else watching via SBS on Demand and getting massive echo on audio?

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Luuuc  
Last year

Sounding fine for me

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Anonymous  
Last year

Brisbanes cheerleaders look so cheap and budget. They hust like some random fans they grabbed out of the crowd.

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Ben  
Last year

Yep, the cheerleaders are genuinely ordinary in terms of entertainment. Young lass who runs them has no idea. Bullets need to bring back Ruck's ex who has previously done a top job in this regard.

And thanks Luuuc, turns out I needed a reset.

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Ben  
Last year

If you were a casual viewer, you'd literally have no clue the Bullets strip is Looney Tunes-branded.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"If you were a casual viewer, you'd literally have no clue the Bullets strip is Looney Tunes-branded."

Theirs and the wildcats is terrible. The friends i was sitting with at the Cats game last week didn't even notice a change to the perth jersey.

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Luuuc  
Last year

didn't even notice a change to the perth jersey.

To me it is slightly uglier than the usual one due to the disembodied Sylvester heads surrounding the neck. Would a lot of people even know that they're supposed to be Sylvester even from close up? Probably not.

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

Funny you say that, Ben: I had seen the jerseys previously, and completely forgotten that's what they were. I don't mind the look, but the theme is not obvious at all.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Say what you want about the bullets & Lemanis, but they play great team basketball & have beautiful ball movement. Starting Magnat at the 4 may be the the recipe they're we’re looking for and snatch that fourth playoff spot.

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

Hodgson must have a clause in his contract that guarantees his starting spot, because Magnay is clearly the more consistent and productive player.

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Ben  
Last year

Hodgson out in 13 minutes with a boneheaded fifth foul, then gives the refs a mouthful. What a boob. At least the Bullets have Magnay.

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Ben  
Last year

#sacklemonass
#blanksnotbullets

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Anonymous  
Last year

That was bad ass

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AngusH  
Last year

Vintage Bullets collapse.

Breakers still in a position to make the top 4, shame Webster pissed off to China.

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Ben  
Last year

Seriously, how the f*** did they lose that. Up 2 - 8 seconds left - WITH the ball! You're kidding! Haha. Awesome culture you're building there Andrej.

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Tom  
Last year

Oh my!!!! Brisbane found a way to lose. Great shot by Hopson but who would have thought Manar Patterson could conjure up a way for us to win.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Bullets should've never put themselves in that position but the refs won that for NZ. Patterson’s was mobbed then they call an USF

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Anonymous  
Last year

biggest last minute screw up since Anstey @ worlds v USA

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AngusH  
Last year

The terrible fade-away jumper from Sobey the possession before just as much to blame I think.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wow. I have no idea how the Bullets lost that one. Although the Breakers played really well in the 4th, I thought some dumb plays and bad luck meant they wouldn't win it. But credit to the Breakers for toughing it out. If they win against Adelaide they are building some momentum as well as a culture that is overcoming serious adversity. Hampton possibly back next round too.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sobey with hero ball down the stretch lost the game for Brisbane, get an import point guard. Patterson looked like he was fouled on the last play but should never have been in that position.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Magnay not sure why you wouldn't be up in hopsons face

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Patterson's was mobbed then they call an USF"

Lol. Learn the rules.

The sequence of play that cost Brisbane the game was Patterson pulling up for a jumper, Henry going to the ack, then Sobey pulling up for a jumper again. If both Patterson and Sobey had gone to the rack strong, Brisbane wins.

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koberulz  
Last year

That's the second time in three years the Breakers have won in Brisbane despite never holding a lead.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Shamir is the you posting? I said Brisbane should've never been in that position the first place. But if you don’t think Patterson wasn’t fouled and if you support this inconsistent USF rule maybe you should stick to cricket like old mate

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koberulz  
Last year

That was a blatant clear path foul and would have been called as such in every league in the world including the NBA.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Patterson's fouled Delaney on the out of bounds the play before he lost it at half way. Bullets can't blame the refs for that one

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Anonymous  
Last year

The USF was ballsy from the ref given the stage of the game, but I have no problem with it. Probably the correct call.

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AngusH  
Last year

I'm as vocal as anyone re: hating on the USF, but that was a pretty easy one to call. Also don't think Patterson was fouled at all when he lost the ball, looked clean on the replay.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I got no problem with the USF as long as it's CONSISTENT. According to the rules last night Newbill did a clear USF to McCarron who would’ve had a clear path and given melbourne it’s first lead of the game. Was it called? Of course not

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Anonymous  
Last year

Refs are refs, calls go both ways. Brisbane shit in there own nest for about the fourth time this year. To much reliance on Paterson and a few of there locals are not as good as they think they are.

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koberulz  
Last year

When was that foul, anon?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Late 4th. Mitch pressured DJ forced a TO

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Anonymous  
Last year

" But if you don't think Patterson wasn’t fouled and if you support this inconsistent USF rule maybe you should stick to cricket like old mate"

He wasn’t fouled. I don’t support the way the referees have been giving out USFs this season. But that was a blatant USF and the refs had no choice to call it. Patterson should have let Abercrombie get the score then play with five seconds left or overtime. It was a dumb foul.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The rule was once that there had to be a disadvantage for a foul to be called. That reactionary tap on the arm didnt hamper the offensive player who was on his way for an uncontested layup and in the past refs would have called advantage to keep the game flowing. The usf slows the game down when it was intended to help keep the game flowing. I thought it was a no call.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"According to the rules last night Newbill did a clear USF to Mccarron"

He made a play at the ball.

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FSTOS  
Last year

Perfectly stated Anon.

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FSTOS  
Last year

Anon 702 that is.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Last night Newbill fouled Barlow. Close.

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Anonymous  
Last year

" That reactionary tap on the arm didnt hamper the offensive player who was on his way for an uncontested layup and in the past refs would have called advantage to keep the game flowing. The usf slows the game down when it was intended to help keep the game flowing. I thought it was a no call."

While I understand your sentiment, I believe that's not the rule. My understanding, and someone may correct me if I’m wrong, is not whether there’s a disadvantage or a play at the ball but simply whether there’s a defender between the attacking player and the basket.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last year

Breakers will make playoffs

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AngusH  
Last year

Maybe Breakers can buy out Webster's China contract if they do make the Finals.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last year

The reason NZ will make playoffs is because Webster is NOT there. They won't want him back

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koberulz  
Last year

Late 4th. Mitch pressured DJ forced a TO
The only Newbill turnover in the fourth was the dunk attempt that slipped out of his hands and sailed out of bounds.

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koberulz  
Last year

It was the Cam Oliver turnover to David Barlow. Machado was back for Cairns, so no clear path.

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Perthworld  
Last year

Exactly - the only shocking thing about that play was the refs getting it right for once last night.

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

Sobey's shot selection and Hodgson's foul discipline were embarrassing in the 4th. Lemanis definitely deserves blame too: Brisbane ran the same Flow set for countless possessions which resulted in nothing, leading to someone having to make something out of nothing with 5-6 seconds left on the shot clock.

This is standard from the Bullets though. No team is truly out of the game against them.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Starting Magnat at the 4 may be the stupidest thing we've see all year" Fixed it for you.
Time to lock your Lemonass porn in the bottom draw and don't look back. He's finished, just taking the piss now. Once again completely failed to build a proper team. Too busy wasting money poaching other teams players and ruining them. Now that he is no longer protected by his Magic "National Coach" Bubble, we can see how crap he really is.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Newbill fouled Barlow after the Oliver turnover with 0.16 remaining

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

723, how is starting Magnay stupid? The kid played well and is Brisbane's best big.

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Playoffs race much more interesting.
Only Illawarra gone.
Only Sydney and Perth safe.

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Mystro  
Last year

There was no foul on Patterson, just great trapping and he clearly grabbed Abercrombie's arm with a clear path to the hoop and no one in front. Refs got that 100% right and even Patterson would agree after watching tape, he would want that exact same call if the shoe was on the other foot.

NZ have fought through a lot of adversity this season and it seems to have only bought the team together and they’ve found a way to grind out tough wins. Even if they don’t make the playoffs they’ll have a big say in who does.

Dan Shamir silencing a lot of critics now he has 90% of his team healthy.

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Anonymous  
Last year

RE USP

Contact by the defensive player from behind or laterally on an
opponent in an attempt to stop the fast break.

There has to be contact which is designed to stop a fast break. Clearly this contact didn't happen because it didn't stop the fast break.

The rules also say.

Contact by the defensive player on an opponent on the court during
the last 2 minutes in the fourth period and in each extra period, when
the ball is out-of-bounds for a throw-in and still in the hands of the
official or at the disposal of the player taking the throw-in.

ie any contact

So if you are going to call a little tap on the arm as an USP foul, then you have to call any touching or bumping on inbounds in the last 2 minutes. There would have been contact on every imbound situation. In which circumstances the refs don't call any fouls unless there is a disadvantage.

So in one circumstance they call any slightest touch (disadvantage or not) and in the other circumstance they typically only call a foul when there is a disadvantage.



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UseTaHoop  
Last year

The USp foul is obviously new, and I lost interest for a few years until a couple of years ago.

"Contact by the defensive player from behind or laterally on an
opponent in an attempt to stop the fast break.

There has to be contact which is designed to stop a fast break. Clearly this contact didn't happen because it didn't stop the fast break."

I take it the first sentence is a direct quote. Any sport is hard to officiate based on seeing the action in real time. But adding “in an attempt to” adds a whole new level of difficulty. How is a ref supposed to read the INTENT of a player. It require mind reading to be accurate and reliable. Just because the fast break wasn't there, doesn’t mean there was no intent. Based on that definition, the ref has to call the USpF regardless of the outcome. AFL does that with the “advantage” rule, sometimes delaying the call until they see if there is an advantage.

It just makes a difficult job even harder.

Remove “in an attempt to stop the fast break” and you’d remove that layer. Then FIBA might need to decide on a certain angle behind which it’s an auto USpF

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