Smac76
Earlier this year

36ers 20/21

Apologies if this is a repeat thread. Thought worthy of discussion. Pretty disillusioned by the team this season, read some comments on the selfish Players thread and got me thinking. Are we really that far away?

Import pg/
Drmic/ McVeigh
Import 3/ ?
Johnson/Kyei
Import 5/ Froling

Obviously we are a budget team. But if you could re-sign this core we could be ok. I know JR has a contract but I'd be thinking he won’t be back?
Import choices key. A pg who can defend, distribute and knock down 3, import 3 who is long and athletic, and an import 5 who is tough inside and a rim protector. Then chase an Aussie 3 who is lacking opportunity.
All big ifs, we done even have a coach, I maybe dreaming but I reckon this squad would be tough.
Huge offseason, make or break I reckon.

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Very Old  
Earlier this year

only want to sign 85% of Froling, at the very very most

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Import / NS / Mudronja
Import / Vasljevic / Harris
Import / Drmic / Mcveigh
Motum / Kyei
Johnson / Reath / Froling

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Budget team? Lol they have the 3rd or 4th highest budget.

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

No way they have 3rd or 4th budget.

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BeeGee  
Earlier this year

I thought Teys was signed for next year as well?

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

You might be right? Would he stick around without Joey? Would any of our Aussies? I have no idea. Just that maybe if we nail the imports, it may not be all doom and gloom.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Would he stick around without Joey?
Where else would he go? Surely the alternative would be retirement?

Re '881, would Drmic go for bench minutes behind an import? Seems more useful than that.

Froling may bail but I'd be trying to convince him to stay and work harder. I think Joey wasted his year with him.

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

Agreed Isaac, I was hoping he may retire, though he was useful this season.
I think Drmic can be a starting 2 in the league. A fresh coaching voice may help him even, same with Harry.
I had heard DJ may opt out and look elsewhere?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I am guessing Wildcats

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You'd think drimic is worthy of a starting spot, but he was horrible towards the end of the season. Complained at every single no call, is a shooter without any consistency at the free throw line, even though he pleads for a foul every single time.

He’s a valuable flash on the pan bench player, if he accepts the role ofcourse.

Who knows what the team intends to spend. But Kelley was pretty comfortable to tell anyone who’d listen that Griffin was on $400k, I think he isn’t being truthful about this, but for some sort of tactic. But if that’s what they want to pay one guy, make it a stud!

Teys has a young family, he is staying on. To assume he would walk because Joey is out, is delusional. completely over stating joeys worth by thinking that. The players are not that upset about Joey leaving. For some it’s a relief, for others it’s a chance to be coached by someone new. That’s a refreshing thing after years of hearing the same voice.

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Jack Toft  
Earlier this year

I think the Coach Question needs to be answered first.

With regards to current players, it seems like the bottom line is:

Gonski: Randle, Griffen, Moore
Stay: Johnson, Drmic, Froling, McVeigh
?: Teys, Dillon, Kyei, White

I do like the basic spine of the team as the OP had it:

Import pg/
Drmic/ McVeigh
Import 3/ ?
Johnson/Kyei
Import 5/ Froling

Need a defensive guard in there and obviously a 3 shooter. I personally like the centres you lock in a cage during the week and feed them large carcasses of meat through a slot in the cage until game day.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Is there really a line up for DJ's services?? His defence is horrible and while fantastic offensively he goes missing on occasions.
Having DJ play you then need a rim protector and a PG/SG that can defend at a high standard.
that's 3 starters that cant be deficient in any areas just to accommodate one player. Shorter, Childress and Creek all did this a couple of years ago and we finished 2nd. Chances you find an Aussie and two imports that can do that? I'm not sure.
maybe Jo Lul-Acuil as the rim protector.

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

I thought until recently that Goodson maybe available but he looks back in favour. Would Te Rangi be worth a look as a back up?
I reckon Jack's team would be good. Need one decent decent Aussie recruit, and 3 good imports.
Easier said than done.
Whispers on new coach? I was hoping Bevo, but Boti our that to bed.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Surely time for Teys to hang them up, maybe the Flint Tropics will throw in a washing machine if we trade him there?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I'd love to see the 6ers go after Sam McDaniel when he's available. Hopefully with Joey gone we can start getting back to our roots of filling our roster with available SA talent.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I'm not a 36’s fan but I am an NBL fan so I’d like to see all teams to do well, I feel at different times throughout the season they looked like a top 4 team. Some games I was thinking why is the coach playing the game like that and scratch my head, other games he had the right combination on the floor at the right time and it all just clicked.
Randle is a big part of this team winning games on the other side Froling was a massive disappointment this year and a big part of why the 36’s didn’t do so well, then he turned up for the last 2 games and played good but way to late.
Griffin is a beast but needed better guidance from the coach early in the season to stop all the foul trouble.
From what I could see there were two time in the season a import change was needed
And it wasn’t Taylor.
I like Moore but like Boone it might be time to retire from the NBL, if Randle came in for Moore at start of the season it could be a different result right now.
And the when Moore was injured an injury replacement import was needed.
Next year I’d like to see Randle and griffin back, but griffin needs to do some work on a few things, Froling needs to find his form from last season or move on.

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KET  
Earlier this year

C Defensive Import/Froling [Def Big/Off Big]
F Johnson/Kyei [Off Big/Off Big]
F Drmic/McVeigh
G Lengthy Def Import, with 3pt ability is plus/Teys
G Randle/Mudronja

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"I think the Coach Question needs to be answered first."
Yes. No point picking a fantasy team until the coach is appointed.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Who are the leading candidates for the 36ers coaching job?

Shawn Dennis?
Liam Flynn?
Mick Downer?
Adam Forde?
Jamie O'Loughlin?

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

^ slim pickings other than Dennis. I like what he did in Townsville, I think Boti ruled him out though.

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

I guess Forde May be worth a go, definitely earned his stripes and been part of successful programs

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Shawn dennis could bring his own imports with him. he coach shiga lakestars

Jeff ayres c pf
craig brackin c pf
henry walker sf

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

905, outside of Sammy Mac there is no recent, young talent that is good enough from here. A few of these kids around think they are good enough, as do their parents, but they are not. Look at the level they played at in college or their numbers at Premier League or NBL1 or even just go and watch them play.

Yes. There is about to be a few more currently at college, in addition to Mudronja and Harris, good enough to play NBL but you will find they all would have played for Joey.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story though.

I really hope we have not lost Joey to have one of those guys as the replacement. Be careful what you wish for people because you just might get it one day ;)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think if they are the available names then KB is definately the best option by a mile.

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Looking Forward  
Earlier this year

#905, very true. Getting more SA players on the roster an important step in further building the connection with SA basketball. And in providing a visible pathway for local juniors.

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ME  
Earlier this year

The only Aussies on this team that I have any particular interest in keeping are Johnson and McVeigh. Teys shouldn't even be in the league really. Frolling will never be any good until he gets some sort of work ethic. Drmic is a head case. Kevin White is meh. I want to see a full reshuffle.

As for imports, I don't really give a shit about Jerome Randle at this point. We all had our moment with Jerome in his first time here but his game isn't the same. He's not a proven winner. He's not going to take us where we need to go, and he certainly won't do it surrounded by the dregs he's been surrounded with. Griffin? Gone. Moore? Not sure if he's on contract or not but he should be gone.

I'm not going to waste my hard earned money on this team until they bring a line up that is respectable. I know a lot of people will accuse me of not being a "real" fan for that, but I don't really care. Fans have actually put up with a fair bit of crap from the new management. And we've had to put up with players that none of us like, and that don't make us better, lingering long past their welcome. If the right choices aren't made I wont be bothering with them next year.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Looking forward;

do some analysis, learn some history. There was just over a decade where the talent just dried up from SA. Just look at Boomers teams these days. How many recent SA kids do you see? Look at AIS program or U17/U19 National teams over past decade. Look at guys going to D1 collegiate level of SA. There was major void.

The oldschoolers that mean well actually crush talent in SA and anyone that actually knows how to develop is seen as an outsider. There is a major, ongoing problem with SA basketball pathways and club system. Fortunately, it is well known amongst the top tier athletes and coaches, in the modern era these old school, clueless angry old men are irrelevant (despite their formal roles) and kids will just keep succeeding outside and in some cases in spite of traditional development pathways.

The talent pool from SA IS now growing, the kids coming through still have a little way to go in order to get to the NBL. But at least it is beginning to flow through again.

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anonymous  
Earlier this year

Randle has had ample opportunity to show that he can win. Unfortunately his style of play doesn't result in wins.
Compared to Cotton, Ware, Machada who make their team mates better.

There is some individual talents on the current Adelaide roster but some massive issues. When you get Teys playing substantial minutes in front of the others on roster then you know there are problems

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Drimic and McVeigh should be scoring guards, with minimum time in the three. Johnson is fine get a coach that knows defence, ie Kickett under Weaver this season. Kyei is fine off the bench, needs work on offence but got potential.

Forde, Nielsen would be great candidates for coaching. Get imports five and point guard. Pay more for two and build around those guys.

Johnson, Froling
Import, Kyei
Find Aussie try for Newley or Moller or Pozoglou
Drimic, McVeigh
Import, White
Mudrona.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Does DJ have an opt out?
Keep Teys in his original 10/11 man role.

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Captain Jack  
Earlier this year

I want

Coach: Matt Nielsen

C import basically Cam Oliver 2.0
PF Johnson
SF Import as close to a fully fit and firing Prather type we can find
SG Drmic
PG Import, im assuming Randle will be back, if not id find a Machado type

Bench
C Froling
Pf Kyei
SF McVeigh
SG Vasiljevic
PG? Mudorona/Dan Dillon

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

it was toxic to the team as soon as Teys started the other players were laughing at Joey playing games instead of defence and structures

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

Like that team and coach, Captain Jack. Let's hope the owner/management don’t cock it up this time.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#925 it's ok buddy there there.
Griffin has potential (with Randle and a better coach) to improve massively over the next season.
If anyone from SA sees Froling on the street, can you walk over to him and slap him stupid, he’s a better player than this.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Having DJ play you then need a rim protector and a PG/SG that can defend at a high standard.
But wouldn't you want that anyway? If you have a defensive big, then you need a scoring forward. Import bigs that are great at both ends are in the NBA. Locals that play both ends are Nick Kay and who else? And who's going to move? I'd keep DJ. Who else is going to be on the market? Four teams in the finals are going to have reasonably satisfied players. SEM have just started up. Who would you pilfer from the Hawks who would play a ready-made role?

Go do the end of season interviews. See what they say about Joey and who they favour as a replacement. Listen most to the guys you suspect you'll keep. Go from there.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Shawn dennis could bring his own imports with him. he coach shiga lakestars"
Pretty sure Denis isn't going anywhere yet.

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Looking Forward  
Earlier this year

#926, You sound both close to junior development in SA and pretty angry at some folks. What's your connection/involvement?

The talent in SA dried up for a decade you say, what specific period are you referring to?

I believe that the benefits of a strong connection between the Sixers and local basketball go both ways and are significant. I'm looking forward to seeing if JVG sees it similarly.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Teys does have an option for next season and after a couple of 20 point games this season I would be more than happy to have him back next season.

McVeigh has shown some promise and although I like Drmic's fight it wouldn't kill me if he left he's not a great shooter for a specialist shooter.

No doubt we'll all once again scare ourselves into the thought of life without DJ and rush to give him another big contract. You only have to look at how often he's left out of Boomers squads by various coaches over the years to get a true understanding of his value around the league.

The Wildcats wouldn't touch him with a barge pole you think Gleeson would be interested in a 6'11" guy who guards with his hands down by his sides? He saves all his energy for the offensive end and has an almost contemptuous attitude towards defence.

GK has sullied the Sixers name so badly over the Mitch Creek affair that we had to sign misfits and cast offs like Kyei, Dillon & White this season so I'm sure a few of these guys will be back to round out the roster.

Will be interesting to see if Randle's option is picked up now that Joey's going. Hopefully not but like GK our new GM JVG thought it a good idea to give Randle a 2 year deal Sydney so who knows with people like this running the team. The fact Kevin Brooks is the favourite to replace Joey says it all really.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Everything fell apart when they released Taylor to sell more tickets, that was a guy Joey brought in & loved right away. The way Randle plays doesn't win games, he yells/argues at players and coaches on court during games so I can only imagine the practice. He just didn’t gel well with this team in particular, his playing style doesn’t work with every team and it showed with this team. They needed a guard who could defend, knock down shots and good willing passer. I believe with this 36ers group had they needed a player like Taylor to run the team or alongside Randle to offset the issues Randle has on the court. He’s flashy and can score, but nothing else really, only being a small scoring guard will not win you the important/meaningful games and it’s shown in his career

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Above anon, hit it on the head.

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

Randle was the wrong move, but replacing Taylor wasn't. I’d rather Kyle Adnam start at pg than Taylor.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Hahah what!? Taylor's body language alone was a huge lift for the kings.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#926, you sound like somebody about to lose their job. Won't just be the head coach going.... Get the broom out.

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Smac76  
Earlier this year

If you say so. He's been good for them, but he’s backing up Ware. No way he’s starting material.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Smac76
Kyle Adnam hasn't started on any teams for a reason, plus he’s 4 years older ... I’m not putting my future in his hands

You think him playing behind Ware as a rookie is helping his development?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Above ^^^
Definitely will help pay off

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Would've been very interesting being able to play through hypothetical 19/20 seasons, with Randle and with Taylor, and see which team fared best. Better scoring output from Randle, but likely better team structure/chemistry with Taylor?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#921 - 'Look at the level they played at in college or their numbers at Premier League or NBL1 or even just go and watch them play'.
You mean like 3 current Sixers who couldn't even complete college as it was too difficult??
Thank the basketball gods that idiots like you will not be involved in the Sixers going forward.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

091, are you talking Mudronja, McVeigh, Froling?

Which of these local kids you speak of, not with the 6ers, that were overlooked should have replaced them on the roster?

Express your views then, as you are such a genius and lets see your knowledge and expertise ;)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Crickets......

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Jack Toft  
Earlier this year

It all starts at coach level and I can see a couple of scenarios.

1. Joey stays and it's "business as usual"
2. Joey gets sacked and paid out
3. Joey walks without a payout (unlikely)
4. A "coach swap" occurs with Joey going to another club with a mutual agreement

If Joey is not the wright guy, then who will be the replacement?
1. Untested NBL level coach (hello Marty, let's go party) Would a KB/Jantke combo set the NBL alight?
2. Poached coach from another club
3. Aussie coach overseas wanting to come home
4. American coach wanting to go his own way
5. Former NBL coach out of retirement (will you drive us to a flag Scotty?)

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KET  
Earlier this year

#2 n #1 (KB) is the expected result

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#100, Crickets?
You might wanna read the post again champ. Pretty certain no names were mentioned or local replacements even mentioned.
However you do seem to know the circumstances of the 3 Sixers you mentioned. Care to elaborate?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I would take Sam Daly over Mudronja if we're talking local guys.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Mudronja signed a 3 year contract before the season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kevin Brooks wouldn't be a horrible choice, but he looks like a mute on that bench. I’d love to see the club bring in a completely unattached to ADELAIDE type figure. Euro coach etc

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Time for Flynn to take the reins of an NBL club IMO

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Brad.  
Earlier this year

Go for the best coach possible regardless of where they're from.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Let's go for an upgrade for a coach. 1 name. Brett Brown. If not Brett then KB forsure.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

KB couldn't coach the Centrals women to any wins before getting the sack.
Golly looks like he doesn't know where he is half the time.
Jantke is there to hold a clipboard.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think Centrals did pick up a win from memory, but worse than that is that he left them in a worse place than when he started. Pretty amazing with that team only winning a couple I think the year before.
Showed at Norwood though that he could succeed with a finals berth and trying to phase Webbers out which proved his undoing.
But definitely a strong personality that can rub people the wrong way.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

"You don't have to be the big dog; just the right dog"

Team chemistry and fit is huge.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's whether the dog is great at basketball"

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Woof

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

Too bad Air Buddy isn't alive anymore;

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

no joey wright. season is already off to an amazing start

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

When is it going to confirmed wether he's going or staying?

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

I bet Friday arvo like politicians that's when they put out their bad news because they know everyone is focused on the weekend.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Isn't Adelaide's MVP night on Saturday? Announcing it tomorrow wouldn't bury it at all in that case. I'd say either they'll do a big thing on Saturday night to thank him for everything and wish him luck with his future, or they'll drop the news Monday after their commitments to each other are done and they can break things off immediately.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

After the external review by Sapwell and Maher. Will take some time, so next week I'd imagine.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Teys probably had best season. Definitely keep for his experience.he is calm player sets great example. In transitional year coming need experience calmness leadership positive attitude team first.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Teys outperformed Dillon and White handsomely this season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Then why do you need all 3 in the sam position?

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Looking Forward  
Earlier this year

Yes, he had his best season for a while.

But is he really the type the team needs going forward..appeared to allow himself to be turned into a bit of a cheap thug under Joey, and also appears to be a highly skilled and relentless flopper?

Is this the sort of behaviour you want your kids watching and imitating?

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Inevitably people start taking shots at Randle, but he's not the issue. End of the day you can sign 3 imports inline with your budget. Can't say whether Randle is good or bad, without knowing what he gets paid. But if you don't like him, hire another import.

The challenge as always is your Aussie core. You need 2 or 3 guns, and a couple of really solid guys off the bench.
As an outsider looking in, it seems that (apart from DJ) you've got several guys who looked ready to do to the next level, and just didn't. Can a change of coach turn that around? If so, who's worth persisting with?
If not, you'll to rebuild. See who's looking to move from other clubs, or guys who aren't making it in Europe or The USA.
Plus I think you just need to do better with your imports. It's hard to do on a budget, but look what Cairns were able to do off the back of 3 great imports.
I think Joey's strategy of looking for bargain role-players worked when you still had Creek and Sobey, but unless you can rebuild your local core at once, you'll need better imports.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

As for coaches, if Nielsen isn't coaching in the NBL next season, then something is seriously wrong

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Beantown  
Earlier this year

"I'd say either they'll do a big thing on Saturday night to thank him for everything and wish him luck with his future..."

I hope this is what happens Koberulz. It's time to move on, but Joey deserves a positive send-off after 7 years and two grand final appearances.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year



Easy test for Kelley. Would probably want to make that call ASAP before losing interest of anyone he wanted to keep.

Also hints at some chemistry hassles that would've made Joey's life interesting.

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