koberulz
Earlier this month

Matt Hodgson Opts Out

Per the Bullets Twitter.

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TB  
Earlier this month

Geeze, I thought Cotton leaving was a big story...this news is going to blow it out of the water.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this month

LOL

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

Cooks from Sydney too.

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

To me, Hodgson opting out is a bigger story than Cotton opting out. Cotton can get a ton of money elsewhere, at least in theory. The same isn't true of Hodgson, so if guys like him are opting out it looks like we're going to see a large number of opt-outs rather than just the elite tier.

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Trev  
Earlier this month

Hodgson opted out because he is sought after by the Wildcats.

Wildcats centres will be Angus Brandt and Matt Hodgson.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Except that's not permitted under the rules.

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Trev  
Earlier this month

Not permitted but Brisbane will let him go for more money.

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Senator11  
Earlier this month

"To me, Hodgson opting out is a bigger story"

^This

If a guy on the level of Hodgson is opting out, this is going to set the NBL back at least 2-3 years. The decision to cut wages was done way too soon.

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

Why do people think total bankruptcy and folding the league is somehow a better outcome than whatever ends up on the floor this season?

If guys of Hodgson's level opt out en masse, I absolutely 100% guarantee that the majority of opt-outs will play in the NBL next season. There just won't be enough leagues, import spots, and money to go around.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Can't see him getting an attractive contract in Europe unless he has a European passport (and even then not a sure thing)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Big risk for him.....not the wisest of moves.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Could they be putting pressure on the clubs to get there money and bring in low paying players around them so they still keep under the cap.

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Wang whipper  
Earlier this month

Hodgson opted out of getting a brain when they were handing those out. Absolute dope.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Earlier this month

Trying to manage their value. Some times managers get it wrong too in a game of chess. Going to suck for him if the team that may take him change their mind. How long did he have on his contract? Brandt and Hodgson would both be aiming for contracts as number one big, but one of them would end up as backup.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Brandt did very good in Italy, if they get a league going and he's happy how it all went, he’s not coming back for peanuts in the nbl.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Probably some desperate team in outer Mongolia offering a few dollars more. Or goats.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Is 3 players opting out that big of a deal

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this month

Cooks yes. Cotton yes. Hogdson.... Not so much

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Who will be next?

Can players who opt out only return to their club in the NBL?

Why would the NBL cut salaries well ahead of free agency commencing? ( over 2 months)

Anyone else think NBL 20/21 Will be a shitshow?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

I think it will be great if NBL 20/21 is any sort of show we can attend!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Long has signed in Korea now.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

If they don't allow crowds then they shouldn't bother with tv coverage.

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Beantown  
Earlier this month

I guess he thinks he's going to end up losing minutes to Magnay?

The Sixers could do worse than invite him back under their new coach. He still has his fouling and positioning issues, but has improved in Brisbane and is one of the few NBL big men who can really change shots around the basket.

Could still become a difference maker if invested in for a couple more years and getting a decent import big in the current Covid19 climate could be difficult.

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

I guess he thinks he's going to end up losing minutes to Magnay?

The Sixers could do worse than invite him back under their new coach.
Does nobody read anything anymore?

Opting out does not allow him to play for another NBL club. This has been mentioned ad nauseam ever since the deal was announced.

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KET  
Earlier this month

Is it possible for a player to opt out and the team decline to let him opt back in?

Akin to a mutual termination of contract type thing, Bullets want to give more time to Magnay and focus Hodgsons money elsewhere, Hodgson wants more time so moves on to a different club.

Straight up this is an odd opt out though. Cotton and Kay and aware would make sense, take the risk but get paid at some euro club. Hodgson I don't see making euro bucks especially without a euro passport.

Would love to be a fly on the wall of the convo between him and his agent

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Zodiac  
Earlier this month

36ers could definitely use him as a replacement for Froling and to be honest I'd rather have Hodgson than him anyway.

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Beantown  
Earlier this month

That's what I'm wondering KET. I just can't see Hodgson getting a gig overseas, or being offered a bigger contract by Brisbane, so why would he opt out? If Brisbane has told him they will retain his NBL rights under the opt out rule, then I guess another possibility is he just isn't willing to play for what Brisbane is offering and would rather go do a regular job instead this year?

I'm hoping they'll somehow let him come back to the Sixers! Unlikely I know, but it was disappointing that Joey wasn't able to keep Hodgson onside and develop him. We have failed to retain so many young Aussies since losing the Grand Final three seasons back it is ridiculous! DJ and Teys are literally the only guys remaining from that team unless Drmic resigns!

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Beantown  
Earlier this month

"36ers could definitely use him as a replacement for Froling and to be honest I'd rather have Hodgson than him anyway."

Diff skill sets so tough call. It would depend on the team I was trying to build. But I've always wanted a guy who could be a defensive presence next DJ and Hodgson probably fits that better than Froling, who doesn't really have the length to challenge shots around the basket.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

As previously stated by someone else, Hodgson and Cooks have the same agent and it's been put into the media, there are others who have made the same decision but so far been kept in house.

I think a lot of players will be disappointed, because they won’t find other teams but are just trying the market. Cotton and his quality will have no problems but a few others not a chance.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this month

Anon,

Hodgson would not be opting out of guaranteed money with the Bullets on an assumption. He would have a deal lined up likely with another NBL team.

Cooks with his pedigree and play last season can set his own price.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Cooks averaged less than 6 points a game, could not defend the three spot, Kay had his and Tate measure in the GF as well, did well on rebounds and has had a season in Europe but I don't see him as a certainty by any length. His exit tweet clearly left the door open for a return.

Where is Creek in all this, his good salary will be halved as well, nba border line and play in Europe as well, he’d be a big chance. Some sides might lose there best and second best players.

Most clubs would take Creek ahead Cooks.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this month

that team unless Drmic resigns!


Supposedly has an agreement in place with Brisbane but can't sign until free agency begins.

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Beantown  
Earlier this month

Have heard a similar rumour Zodiac. Disappointing if true.

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

He would have a deal lined up likely with another NBL team.
Oh for fuck's sake.

Opt-outs can't sign with another NBL club.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this month

The team they were contracted to has their rights for the season unless of course they choose to waive them.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

"I just can't see Hodgson getting a gig overseas"

There is always demand for 7-footers. If he has a Euro passport he'll be snapped up quickly.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

"unless of course they choose to waive them."

Then he isn't opting out.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Koberulz, can he sign at another NBL team? Haha

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D2.0  
Earlier this month

He would have a deal lined up likely with another NBL team.

Oh for fuck's sake.


Funny, that's exactly what I was going to write. Strange times.

It would seem that for some at least, opting out is a tactic, presumably pushed by their agent, to keep options open.
Hard to see what the advantages are, without knowing all the details.

That said, does Hodgson have a Euro passport?
I don't know what He'd be getting paid, but these pay cuts appear to be draconian. Supposedly a player getting $160 takes a 42.5% cut. If that's applied to the whole salary it takes it down to around $92k. If that's how it works, you can understand why a lot of guys will be looking at their options.

I think it comes back to the level of uncertainty. There COULD be better opportunities o/s, but then again there might not be

One thing I'll admit I'm a little unclear on, is re-contracting with the existing club.
And what happens if a player opts out, his club signs a replacement, and he then wants to return to the NBL?
ie Could this be a tactic to force clubs into waiving?

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

One point Liam Santamaria raised yesterday is that if they opt back in, their pay will be pro-rated, and some contracts start their payment cycle this month. So guys on those deals who opt out now are guaranteed to lose money on their NBL contracts.

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AgentView  
Earlier this month

I think this whole situation is a farce is riddled with legal challenges.

To make a unilateral change to a contract then only to throw on a restriction of trade clause should you wish to play with someone else in the League. I actually don't think that would stand if challenged in the future should a player have detriment. In fact I don’t think players should bother opting out rather just breach their contracts en masse as a pack at a time that suits them. Good luck to the NBL .

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

Yes, the death of the only pro league in the country is a vastly better option.

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proud  
Earlier this month

I'd love to see Matt Hodgson make the NBA, I think he'd do really well, he'd be what 4th string centre so let's say he got 5 minutes for example, he wouldn't have to worry about foul trouble as he does/did with Brisbane and he's far too dumb to stay out of foul trouble here but he doesn't come across as someone that would be daunted by the bright lights and I think he'd have some good moments in limited opportunities.

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KET  
Earlier this month

Haha like Luke Schenscher

Most major countries in Australia have pushed their employees to accept contract variations for the next three months or so.

Wonder how the contracts work in the NBL, given their work product for the most part is September til end of March.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Good on him...why play for free?

The league will suffer for a long time becuase of this, the league with by NBL1+ next year

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Isaac  
Earlier this month

I think this whole situation is a farce is riddled with legal challenges.
Didn't it come about with the support of representatives of each team's players?

Olgun's story at the time:
Key NBL players began the process of voting for a series of measures on Thursday that would see a tiered approach to salary cuts for the 2020-21 season, multiple sources told ESPN.

The COVID-19 pandemic created an unstable and untenable financial environment for the league and its teams, leading to both parties coming together with the Australian Basketball Players' Association to negotiate cost-cutting measures.

Each teams' delegates voted on Thursday, sources said, with 15 of the 18 representatives voting in the affirmative, meaning the new measures are expected to go ahead. Contracted players were informed of the agreement after the vote.
You'd hope each representative at least ran it past their contracted players?

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KET  
Earlier this month

Yeah, I don't see this becoming litigious

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Each player will have there own thoughts and opportunities elsewhere to explore if they wish.

Also some might not want to play for the new salary as it might not be enough money to put the body out there for another NBL season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

@agentview

I believe he's 100% correct, it’s unfair on contracted players. If a player under contract is offered the same money he’s on at present elsewhere but the club he’s with makes him take a pay cut, he’s going to opt out. It’s a total restriction of trade, uncompetitive and won’t stand up in court. If the league wants to change the cap and who knows what the cap is or how it all works now, all players should be free agents.

This has got a long way to go and as good as the league has been run under LK there are lots questions and what seems like secrecy around this.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this month

If the league wants to change the cap and who knows what the cap is or how it all works now, all players should be free agents.


As any player with a contract can opt out of it every player can become a free agent hence no restraint of trade.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

"It's a total restriction of trade, uncompetitive and won’t stand up in court."

How many restraint of trade cases have you tried in the courts?

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KET  
Earlier this month

It's a total restriction of trade, uncompetitive and won’t stand up in court.


Which fraud website gave you your law degree?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

It's a restraint of trade as you can opt out to play elsewhere but not in Australia. Why should a contracted player take a reduction and a free agent can negotiate a new salary at his terms. That my friend is a restraint of trade.

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Isaac  
Earlier this month

there are lots questions and what seems like secrecy around this.
For fans, or for players/clubs/agents/association who put together the adjustment in light of the pandemic?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

No "new" free agent is going to be able to negotiate anything substantially different to what the players just agreed to. The reason the pay cut was agreed to is the teams don't have that money to spend. You can’t offer what you don’t have.

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KET  
Earlier this month

^ true

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

" It's a restraint of trade as you can opt out to play elsewhere but not in Australia. "

Yes you can play in Australia, with the team you were originally contracted to. You can opt out because the entire league imposed a salary reduction. If you want to look elsewhere, you can. If you don't, then you have a job already.

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AgentView  
Earlier this month

Restricting a player to only play with one club in Australia is a restraint of trade clause. It is unfair because it removes their ability to have a competitive tender for their services whereby players of a similar skill and value who are off contract for next season will be better off than those under contract who have also been gouged up to 50% of their salary. Contracted players inherently are in a position of damage should the season start in OCT as in this case there has been no changes to the underlying circumstances relating to the fulfilment or their portion of consideration under contract.

If you were in any other occupation and were told that your pay would be reduced by 50% only to also be told you are unable to work for any other employer in your field in Australia, such an attempt would be unlawful and overthrown without much thought by the court system. The only way that this could have been done legally is to terminate all player contracts, reduce the salary cap and make a 1 year hard cap determined at a date closer to the season (once sponsorship is reviewed, and a more realistic review of crowd potential), and allow for an open and transparent free agency period to occur for all players from that date. I just can not contemplate any rationale for this approach.

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AgentView  
Earlier this month

Furthermore it doesn't matter what committee, union or other representative group agrees to, they can not make an unlawful agreement under Australian competition nor employment law. That little get together the NBL is using to justify this won’t hold much stick.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Agentsview.

Exactly, anyone after one year in a law degree knows this. This could get ugly. Players have short careers.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

You're making the mistake of thinking that players out of contract won't be subject to the same salary reductions across the board.

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

Correct. Free agents will have their salaries cut by the same percentage as those under contract.

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AgentView  
Earlier this month

They won't be because they are in a much better bargaining position. Good players off contract don’t have to compete against players with a restriction of trade to one club and therefore can have a bidding war against clubs without as much competition in the market. Thus they will get more money.

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AgentView  
Earlier this month

Also the fact that each club hires the players separately the fact that they agreed to do this together could amount to cartel conduct.

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KET  
Earlier this month

" Restricting a player to only play with one club in Australia is a restraint of trade clause.“

In NBL, not in Australia.

And it's not restraint of trade. And you don’t understand ACL.

Everyone thinks they’re a lawyer

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

Good players off contract don't have to compete against players with a restriction of trade to one club and therefore can have a bidding war against clubs without as much competition in the market.
Those players were under contract, so they weren't going to be competing in the market anyway.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

KET

Maybe you should go back and look at some previous sporting results re restriction of trade, the afl get away with it and have made so easy for players to move clubs now because they all stuck together. The nrl players take court action and win, very hard to hold on to players when contracts are changed. The nbl has admitted this in away by even giving you an opt out date but it won't stand up if you challenge it.

As Agentsview said good free agents this year have an unfair advantage.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Those players under contract have had there wages cut.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

"They won't be because they are in a much better bargaining position"

Then every off season is a restraint of trade.

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KET  
Earlier this month

Haha people love to say what they think the law is as if their opinion is authoritative.

Half an hour of googling doesn't help, it’s like thinking you can do surgery from a quick wiki read up.

Total nonsense in this threat!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Objection KET! You're out of order!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

No, not every season do players under contract get wages cut.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Might be blindingly obvious, but why not wait till season is closer, have a better idea of scenario, then start sorting out the pay cuts. AFL and rugby have done it as the season has started. I know there are options for overseas, but why not let players just say they can tear up contracts now.

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koberulz  
Earlier this month

No, not every season do players under contract get wages cut.
So? Everyone is having their wages cut. What's the difference?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

If your boss cuts your salary under contract you can tell him to shove it or appeal to the real ent authority, I find it unbelievable that people think you can just cut wages. Players might agree to it but they have options just like you would if you got cut.

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UseTaHoop  
Earlier this month

How good is the Belarusian league?

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