All I know is from South Australia is:

Keanu Rasmussen
Aime
Fiston Durant

You would think soon that Yaak and maybe even Ulbrich will go.

COE
R.Smith SG
E.Kilminstee PG
K.Rasmussen CG
T.Armstrong CG
F.Ipassou G/F
P.Ryan SF
K.Galloway SF
A.Woodhill PF
B.Jones PF
D.Rogers PF
D.Okerwa PF
H.Wessels C

NBA
Daniels PG
Proctor PG
Toohey SG
Rutaysire SF
Hughes PF
Dengdit PF
McWilliams C

Girls 20/21
03 5'7 K.Deeble PG
02 5'10 J.Melbourne PG Arizona State
03 5'10 S.Swain SG
04 5’10 I.Borlase SG
03 6’1 C.Dunn SFF
04 6’2 N.Puoch SF
02 6’2 R.Macdonald SF Cal State Fullerton
02 6’2 A.Goodchild PF
03 6’2 M.Prior PF Fordham
02 6’3 O.Pollerd SF Washington
02 6’3 E.Sewell PF Portland
03 6’3 C.Evans PF
03 6’5 L.Wise C

Yaak will definitely go onto bigger things...he's the only realistic prospect from SA that might be lucky enough to crack the NBA code.

Yet Beatty was chosen over him for the jnr n.t.

Beatty from SA? Read the post.
Yaak will go well...he's an A+ prospect
& getting great development & support from his Coach in clubland...his time will come.

Beatty was the 04 Centre from act

Adam Todd did a great job working with Yakk

They should be. Going up against the bigger bodies would have to be a key component in their development?

Seems to be a production line from The Lights straight to the COE!
Rockets have left every other SA club standing still in the area of player development & pathways.

831, yes congrats to Sturt junior Aime on making it.
To be fair he did spend about 5 minutes as a Rocket.

North would take credit for LeBron's success if they could. I'm shocked he's not a HPHN 'featured athlete' or claimed to be mentored by SK.

The surprising thing is that there are so few victorians at the Coe and nba a.
And they won the ajcs...

WhereS Duach, ofoedu, Magbegor, Amum, adebayo

Sturt bitching about other clubs claiming players for 5mins service?
Wow.

Some started at North, went to Sturt and saw the light and returned to North

Went from unbeatable in 16s to very beatable. Didn't Yaak get his ass kicked by Thomson, something like 28-7.
Lot of unhappy 18s at north and that's their words not mine.

North are top 2 in the 14 16 & 18 div1 Boys & with great coaches in every grade, other clubs could be feeling the pain for quite a while yet.

Thomson , an 03 Centre.

871, good to see you believe in the great propaganda machine.

Propaganda? Or fact?
State of the art facility...participation in all ages & divisions through the roof...elite coaching with continuity through the program...video analysis with focus on skill & IQ...on court results...high level exposure for players nationally/ internationally...COE, AusCamp, NBA GA & College prospects
Suppose it depends on what your definition of propaganda is...

"participation in all ages & divisions through the roof." Same as they always have had it (Perhaps some more in females). Same as Norwood and South

"elite coaching with continuity through the program" elite coaching? More like elite talent that make coaches look elite.

"on court results" Where is that? 18 1s have under performed even with the so called "Superstar" team. 16 1s have under performed. 14 1s have under performed. Your girls program from 12s up have about a 35% win record.

"video analysis with focus on skill & IQ" but your teams have under performed. What does that say about the coaches if they have that advantage and still under performed?

"high level exposure for players nationally/ internationally" No different to any other club

"COE, AusCamp, NBA GA & College prospects" Aime was from Sturt. How is the girls program going?

933, bitter much?

Aime spent same time at North (U12s, u14s and u18s) as Sturt (u14 and u16). Spent a few years in USA also.

Not bitter at all and no affiliation with Sturt.

Okay cool so by your logic if Fiston went and played 18's at Woodville, Woodville would be credited with his success? Makes perfect sense.

Yes. You already show you are ignorant and dumb by making statements without the facts that he had played at North as junior prior to this most recent stint.

Now every other smart, high level prospect should and probably will make the same decision as he did, others will make and have made.

Over the coming few years there will be massive output of talent coming out of the club and playing in higher level programs, CoE/NBA Global/D1 NCAA/NBL. You can try and stop it by complaining you might even try and influence but it makes NO difference. What you say here WILL NOT stop what is going to continue to happen. This is simply because you, and also your statements here, have zero relevance to the endgame and outcomes.

High level players, with smart parents want proven success in player development and growth outcomes and provide real evidence of how that was achieved.

The North coaches and assistant coaches have the case studies, examples of athletes they've helped in multiple environments. The real-life stuff mate, the real examples. They have capabilities and networks to assist athletes, work directly with athletes to assist with their journey in many ways and have done so time and time again. They can do this in ways you simply cannot, because you don't know how, would not even know where to start and have zero credibility.

You can't avoid that smart parents and athletes will ask for factual information and details when the output is significant and they will provide it.

What you say here and infact what I say here is irrelevant to the real-outcomes that will continue to happen.

948 - you are bitter.

I haven't read anything negative towards any club.

You just seem triggered by any pro North comments.

Taking time out of your day to post that junior teams have underachieved is unnecessary irrespective of your affiliation when there are no comments that are anti any of the other clubs.

If a player was at Woodville when they got a COE offer then I would expect Woodville to be proud. Doesn’t mean they are "claiming" no one else didn’t play a role.

Taking all the club colour arguments out of it, if the two u18 players rumoured in the first few posts receive scholarships that will bring SA’s boys number to 5. Have there been more than 5 in the past?

There's a difference between being proud of an athlete's achievements, and grandstanding.

I wish these players the best - most of them are good kids. I'd also wish you lot pulled your head in before it's too late for your program.

Now that your physically dominant kids are transitioning to senior basketball, your far-from-dominant foundation is gradually being exposed. Unless of course we're talking about your girls program: in which case, it's been flawed for a decade if not longer.

That really doesn't sound like wishing the players success. That sounds an awful lot like hoping they fail.

But have a great day.

Mate, interpret it however you want. I know if must be difficult to put your circle-jerking on hold and evaluate your program critically, but don't pretend that you're the only one who want the best for SA's juniors. There are plenty outside of North that gladly help these kids without feeling the need to publicly gloat or take credit for *their* hard work.

Isn't just fantastic we have so much talent coming out of SA being recognised.
The current U18’s group in SA is very exciting we should look forward to what they achieve going forward.
Who cares which club they are from ?
Ipassou ((North)
Rasmussen (Sturt)
Olbrich (Southern)
D Smith (Southern)
Brennan (Sturt)
Thompson (Norwood)
Barei (Norwood)
To name a few are all exciting prospects, Olbrich to me is the outstanding prospect of the lot with his size, athleticism and skill.
You can all carry on about clubs and their programs but in the end the kid has to do the work !

977. Great post. 100 percent.

Lovely post about these prospects and lovely sentiments.

No need to go into specifics but unfortunately it is not an even playing field for these kids in SA. Buyer beware, get the right information, ask the right questions, make informed decisions. You only get one chance.

Any film on olbrich?

043, that is the dumbest load of shit ever posted on Hoops. Congratulations.

Are you honestly suggesting that his father told the previous operations manager who to appoint as coach? No way.

6'8 03 on nbl1 site.

Good point, don't think he played in a Nationals either which is a surprise? Good player at club level tho absolutely

This is a dirty little secret that most kids doing well have had virtually no input from the NPP development program in their development or talent ID. The clubs tend to do the grunt work. Look at the names above and learn their stories.

These kids often actually succeed in spite of the BSA funded development programs, not because of them. The kids and families see these programs and people that run them as entirely irrelevant to their development and often they're seen as a bit of a joke. These people serve no real purpose and are typically privately despised by the athletes and their parents they are supposedly serving.

It beggars the question why have the BSA funded development programs? Feed that money back to the clubs and pay the state coaches who tend to have the impact.

085, his improvement really took off after top-age U16 Nats, but the year level above was very strong and tough to crack as a bottom-age U18. He was obviously selected for Nats this year, and was expected to do well given how much he's improved and how well he's playing locally. Just tough luck.

I do think the Aus u17 team would look way different now.

086, in theory the NPP/SPP/EADP systems are very beneficial for the athletes involved. It's all about who runs the programs and how they're implemented though.

103...

Lol

That is all.

Nope, you're just full of s**t.

It's irrelevant. They can all be Sturt coaches, the can be Woodville, they can be North or Norwood, they can be Eastern it does not even matter. In the past 10 years the whole program has become irrelevant to player development, talent ID and success.

Players don't need to be involved in it. If they are not selected it DOES NOT even matter. The service quality and capabilities of the program just does not matter. Get it right in your club. Choose the right club, do your own research. Get it right with your own children, manage their workloads yourself, get it right with who you choose to provide the support around your child. Those things matter. Don't worry about HP stuff, if it is good or bad, it does not even matter. It has almost zero relevence to the end game.

Same in wa. You have Willetton Coaches constantly picking there own players for development tournaments and aus champs over other players. Much more deserving.


It's not like that in vic. Much better at choosing players on merit.

A look at Willetton both sides in 16's, both girls teams are top 2. Boys have 2 teams in championship, how do you suppose there wouldn’t be a high cohort of players in the state teams?

It goes way back, not just this year.

The talent ID issue is no different anywhere else I think, the Vic system is awful. I don't think Josh Giddey made a State team till after he was already in CoE, by all accounts he's been a gun since u12. Its pretty hard to get a handle on how they make selections for teams such as SCC and ECC, it seems some are picked for now, others on potential and some because you need a player from that club even though they are not good. Maybe the coaches could actually go and watch a few Friday night matches rather than running their BS money making camps and have an appeal process open to the clubs of kids who miss out so that they have to give proper explanations as to why certain kids are chosen ahead of others.

"Maybe the coaches could actually go and watch a few Friday night matches"

They generally do, by virtue of coaching on Friday nights.

"rather than running their BS money making camps"

The coaches don't get paid (at least in SA).

"and have an appeal process open to the clubs of kids who miss out"

Parents and clubs definitely do appeal.

"so that they have to give proper explanations"

SA coaches give direct feedback to all players, which is a lot of work when these trials have 50-100 kids present.

Obviously talent id is a simple straight forward linear process that doesn't change no matter what team you are selecting for, nor what age, nor which gender....

How many W/NBL teams pick DP's that end up having a solid NBL career?
How many W/NBL teams pick imports that are worth bringing back each year?
How many of the W/NBA top picks end up having long NBA careers?

Then consider how much resource the average W/NBL and W/NBA team has to identify those that they think will help their team? How many times do they get it right?

Its not an exact science and its not a level playing field....deal with it.

State bodies suffer the same issues as everyone else at club land does. This forum is obviously ruled by people who don't have to do selections....

No matter what level you pick a team at, it is not an exact science and some good athlete miss out.

When people think it’s so black and white, what do you do with a athlete you like from watching play in local comp but at trials doesn’t perform well? Still pick him or does the performance at trials override everything?

If you pick him every parent of a kid that trials better is up in arms and if you don’t Pick him, people are up in arms that a good local comp player doesn’t make it and cry politics etc..

346, not at some clubs in Vic and I am sure SA that problem exists. Talent ID is a part of the job. Accountability is important to the success of any job, but these jobs are devoid of that.

It is why these programs are less and less relevant. Coaches at higher levels, pro ranks, D1 NCAA, NBA scouts and even Basketball Australia rarely mess with the state based bodies because they constantly get it wrong and lack the capabilities to do talent ID. This is why these people and programs are becoming less and less relevant and the strongest clubs (Knox, Dandy etc) keep getting stronger.

^ another parent naming their kid as part of the best players in an age group. Not even in the final SA Metro squad of 25-30 players, lol

344/350, please stop.

You're embarrassing yourself and embarrassing the guys you're naming.
In any case, naming U18 players is not OK.

Why would they be referring to a guy that isn't playing basketball anymore?
Pretty obvious to all. The one who’s father moves him from club to club, supposed to be one of the best according to this thread but has never been in a HP squad

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I'm sorry but I don’t think that applies to any of the four guys I mentioned. One is a consensus A+ prospect and has been at north his whole life, the one who "hasn’t made a HP squad" did in fact make one but upon clashes with football stopped his involvement but continues to lead the age group in scoring at a top Sturt team and recently at north, and the other who has played for f’ville, Woodville and north has just made the state squad and will likely be a starter in the final team.

Just made state squad? There are no state squads atm. Development squads. which have like big numbers of players and many of the better players are not available. This is exactly the comment that people are highlighting make this January development joke offensive to the actual state programs.

i guess you were right as a year later olbrich and yaak made it into the NBA GA and CoE