Creek himself shouldn't play but he will and get some type of reception.

You will more then likely have some osters in this forum whinge about how Mt Gambier or the Central coast don't have a team.

SEM should win.

LV likes his violence like he likes his beer.

Domestic.

I'd like to see Mitchell show some balls and keep Creek on the bench for the entire game.

Love all your work jack. :::))))

Can we keep Creek out of slanging match on the game day. The decision has been made and there is two sides to all accounts.

Illawarra by 11 if Harvey plays.

Can't wait for the commentators to mention nothing about Creek being away and act like it's business as usual. Nothing to see here!

What should they say?

Why do you think Harvey is out? There's been no reports of that. Bairstow is a game time decision.

Oh Ffs there is another thread for people to pretend they are lawyers

Harvey is starting. All clear.

Why is Mitch always untucked but every other player has to tuck their shirt in to step on the court

Harvey is off injured. Unclear.

Because tucking in a wife beater isn't a fashionable.

poor form by hawks fans

Not guilty yet.

There are actually Hawks fans at the game to boo Creek?

Only the men are booing Creek, everyone else is scared

Well done to the Hawks fans.

SEM are getting some Perth-level calls. Goorj has a valid reason to be annoyed

If only Hawks fans supported their team as strongly as they have booed Creek, maybe they would never have had Illawarra dropped from their name and would still have a team to support in 2 years time..

Maybe people in Illawarra have morals and know that beating up women is just wrong?

Exactly

Allegedly^

No one said anyone did or did not do anything above. No need for the word allegedly, a word which *should* be used if describing what Creek has been accused of doing

Allegedly has got nothing to do with it. Hawks fans might be like the rest of the normal population that think domestic violence is not something to ignore.

"
Maybe people in Illawarra have morals and know that beating up women is just wrong?"

Or just really short memories. Illawarra signed Tiny Pinder after he'd been not only accused, but charged, convicted and incarcerated, of sexual assault.

Pathetic gutless performance yet again for the Hawks.

Time for them to get kicked out.

Broekhoff has found his range and boy it's a sweet shot. Not the Australian coach watching it go in is that happy.

Gorg has no idea he is a complete toss.

Broekhoff at least is meeting the rap he gets, Adel is another story, greatest hyped failure I can remember.

I haven't seen someone shoot the ball so smoothly in the NBL as a Broekhoff did since Kirk Penney.

Rumours of Creek's version of events are circulating and if true then people wouldn’t be booing him and calling him a woman basher.

No doubt the NBL and Phoenix are aware of his version and this is why he is playing.

He is innocent until proven guilty and let the Court system test all the evidence. The rule of law is one of the best things about living in Australia.

People are charged of assault based on two competing versions every day of the week.

Any one of us could have the misfortune of being charged unfairly with such charge either later being dropped by the prosecution due to no chance of success or thrown out by a Court or jury.

We don’t even have the benefit of two competing versions in any of the media reports (not that you can trust the media when reporting criminal allegations) to even make an early uniformed judgments.

We don’t know whether reports of serious injury are accurate by the media. There is so much we don’t know that it’s way too early to comment/judge.

^^^
Exactly, the police don't always get it right either, that’s why we have courts and lawyers. Australia used to be innocent till proven guilty, not certain why we have changed to media type hype.

So many people on here are part of the current social media problem of trial by public and media. Nobody knows specifics, other than an age article. The age don't have specifics, and we also live in a world where journalists get paid by click.

I hope some people at least don’t get their pitchforks out ahead of hearing details etc.

As was said earlier, focus on the hoops, and talk basketball, I’m sure nobody will go out of their way to apologise if allegations are found to be incorrect!

Isn't it ironic that Koberulz runs with that handle, and yet makes public comments about MC and encouraging the booing etc, whilst he used a handle of someone who also faced legal challenges in his career.

Will koberulz apologise if he’s found innocent?

Zodiac. Wrong wrong and wrong

Would have thought the hypocrisy was obvious.

You post under Koberulz. You no doubt cried when he tragically passed away.

Your hero was "charged" with rape. Months of investigations. Enough evidence to justify a criminal trial. He wasn't even found “not guilty”. The trial didn’t proceed because the alleged victim refused to testify. A civil settlement with an apology.

Kobe was innocent until proven guilty. He played after charges were laid and would fly to and from Court hearings between games. As Kobe was never found guilty he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he never committed the alleged act.

The fact Creek is charged with alternate counts of assail (one with no intent to cause harm) down to common assault (the most minor) indicates police even are not confident in their position.

As posted above, there aren’t any specifics in any of the reporting of what is alleged to have occurred.

Meanwhile you post Creek shouldn’t be able to play under the name Koberulz.

Koberulz, you literally went on Twitter and agreed that MC should be booed. This is encouraging a high level of bullying, and I can only imagine the mental distress the player is already under.
It's absolutely wrong to bully anyone or encourage it, particularly when there has not been a trial.
I’ve seen many people mention lengths of investigations etc, and I’ve been close to cases before in which an investigation runs slow due to police being busy, a leave it absence or focusing on other big cases. It does not mean that they had new information.
Let’s take a breath and think critically first before continuing to press this issue.

Hawks are learning some valuable lessons.

Deng and Simon offer very little and have no worth to the team.

Naar and Aj to inconsistant and are barely NBL level players.

Deng Deng should get more minutes but Gorg doesn't do that.

Bairstow injury prone which isn't a big surprise.

Harvey and Jessup they can not do it all themselves.

Gorg the league has passed him by and the roster just isn't good enough to be top 4 they are better then previous years but needs better tecruiting next year.

#375, you ever watched deng play to structure or defend, obviously not, there is reasons for him getting limited time or no time in previous clubs. To bag Goorj shows how little you know about basketball.

"Broekhoff at least is meeting the rap he gets, Adel is another story, greatest hyped failure I can remember"

It's sad when you come in as a hyped up fringe NBA talent, and you’re not even the best player on your team with the first name 'Deng’, and that same guy didn’t play a minute last year for the Breakers!

Hawks were broke, sold to an American at last minute ahead of the Australian bloke and Ball group with Goorjian being brought in as the saviour. It was always fraught with danger. Lots of changes and some poor team selections was always eventually going to take time to settle. Goorj has time for getting more of his type players in for next season now he's seen the market.

For year punters on here being saying Adel for Australia without actually seeing him play and just listening to journalists. Lmao.

Hawks are currently in fourth place.

A few points with Forde

- went in with a preconceived motion with the refs before the game - that doesn't help things with his mindset before. They were already in his head
- was clearly pissed off they lost given they played good and weren’t far off the Wildcats. This will make a difference in the standings. Said stuff in the heat of the moment
- is under pressure from a win loss perspective. The Kings are in a tight race to make the four
- was an assistant at Perth for a while under Gleeson. Interesting given he is from Perth and with his comments re Gleeson’s behaviour

This reminds me of Braswell with Breakers in 2018/19. Rookie coach under pressure fired up post game after a tight loss. Forde is doing good given injuries but stuff like this doesn’t help imo

Can't mods just delete Creek comments.
Dave that shit for Facebook.

*Save not Dave lol.

Yep, "nothing to do with Creek". Koberulz picks and chooses what cases he takes seriously or not?
“Creek is the real victim here”...so once the brief of evidence is out, if it found him not guilty, is your campaign just bullying and slander at that point, or just fair game?
Craig McLachlan was charged also....there are countless examples of people who faced charges. Let the courts handle it, not the pitch forks! Online bullying and mental health is a real thing too.
The legal process is in place to ensure there is a fair and impartial hearing. You're basing your views with literally zero case details, and before you say “so are you”, that’s why you leave it to the legal process.

"You post under Koberulz. You no doubt cried when he tragically passed away.

Your hero was "charged" with rape. Months of investigations. Enough evidence to justify a criminal trial. He wasn't even found "not guilty". The trial didn't proceed because the alleged victim refused to testify. A civil settlement with an apology.

Kobe was innocent until proven guilty. He played after charges were laid and would fly to and from Court hearings between games. As Kobe was never found guilty he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he never committed the alleged act."


Wow, interesting point, spot on.

LV, exactly. Online opinions based on nothing gives people the right to slander and bully it seems.

I wonder if people also realise that you can be charged with a crime so that it goes to the discovery stage when a prosecutor will look at the details and determine if there is enough for trial.

So many levels to this, but the bullying is not ok.

For starters - this hasn't even gone through committal proceedings yet - meaning it hasn’t been determined if there is sufficient evidence for conviction.
For the individual in particular who is assuming guilt already - here are some numbers for you.
Nearly 4% of cases are discharged or withdrawn completely.
The same percentage end up being heard summarily as the indictable charges are dropped.
To keep it short - 10% of cases presented result in a not guilt verdict when contested.

So assuming anything when you don’t know is just dangerous, let the system do it’s job. There are no laws which prevent him from 'working’ whilst the case is in the courts.
Further - encouraging booing is straight up bullying and disgusting, regardless of what you think of the individual and their actions. It’s actions like this that is why we have the mental health crisis we currently do as a society.

^^ well said

Koberulz - no discovery is not investigation. Discovery in criminal matters is disclosure.

Prosecutors have a duty to disclose documents, reports, etc that they intend to rely on. So 461 is correct.

You keep saying they have been investigating for 4 months. What proof do you have of this? What investigations have been performed that you know about that make you so certain of guilt.

Many assault cases only have two pieces of evidence. A verbal statement from each party.

You do realise Koberulz that if someone went to the police and provided a credible report that you assaulted them even with no witnesses that you will be charged. You won't be convicted (hopefully) because you didn’t do it but you are still most likely to be charged.

Very dangerous in any matter (not just Creek’s) to judge anyone on being charged with an offence especially based on media reports only.

KobeRulez "blithering idiot" you may have been 10, but you are an adult now (I presume) and know the details. Are you so daft that you can put two and two together to understand that Kobe went through challenging time with an act relating to a woman. How does is relate to Creek? Are you kidding? You're condemning Creek on a public campaign, but continue to hold the “Koberulz” handle as if nothing occurred.

You seem to ride in on some sort moral high ground, get advertise the opposite.

Koberulz - you are incorrect in your application of the rule of law or criminal law procedure.

The Age article is not evidence of anything. You should know this. If I link an article saying COVID-19 is a hoax is that evidence of anything.

But if you want to make a big thing about an alleged 4 month investigation before even pressing three alternate charges then this would tend to indicate complexity and competing versions.

It wouldn't take police 4 months to charge a man with assault if he clearly had smashed someone’s head in without a shadow of a doubt. They also wouldn’t make alternate charges if there was no doubt about the intent to cause harm.

Koberulz yet to address his handle and use of it under current circumstances. So are you picking and choosing which information you deem relevant to allegations of violence against women? Or is it just because you have something in particular against MC?

Koberulz - you need to brush up on your understanding of the courts son. Committal proceedings do determine if there is enough evidence to support a conviction.

A trial determines if the accused is guilty based on that evidence.

That's if it even gets to trial, which only 50% of cases actually do.

'Rumours of Creek's version of events are circulating and if true then people wouldn't be booing him and calling him a woman basher.
No doubt the NBL and Phoenix are aware of his version and this is why he is playing.’
#332 where are these rumours circulating? Verbally or online somewhere?

If you continued to read (and work on) your comprehension skills. The purpose of the trial is to determine if the accused is guilty based on the evidence, where a judgment is made.

In committal, it's just determining if there is enough evidence to possibly support (as said), but not making a judgment. If there isn’t, the case is dismissed/dropped/withdrawn. It prevents the courts time being wasted further down the process.

Seriously Koberulez, this information is easily available on the court website itself. Perhaps look up this information first so you don’t embarrass yourself in your rants.

Koberulz, you're lack of understanding on the relevance of Kobe’s allegations to MC’s allegations is mind boggling and and shows your lack of ability to critically analyse information. The hypocrisy of your comments are irrelevant to whether Kobe is alive or not. You are choosing to see one as different to the other as you see one player as your hero.

You further discuss the reputation of the Age as a media organisation, and if so, did you miss the part where all allegations were denied and would be challenged?

What is clear, is that you don’t know how court/ criminal reporters work, and you have zero idea on criminal/ legal proceedings.
The innocent until proven guilty assumption is one of the most important pillars of our legal system, and for many of the reasons above.

You’re embarrassing yourself

Considering that definition of a committal hearing comes from the magistrates court website itself. The most likely outcome...

You don't know what you’re talking about.

Do you support your handle, knowing that it was a allegation against a woman. Will you avoid this answer again?

This Kobe Bryant/koberulz line of attack is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

Koberulz - of course you and luckily all others in Australia (including the officers of the NBL) are a part of the Australian legal system in that you are protected by the rule of law.

It is one of the best parts of living in Australia.

It is when the concept of the rule of law is prejudiced (like what you are attempting to do with Creek) that huge problems arise.

Heaps of studies on deaths in custody when lower socio economic groups don't have as much access to justice as others that highlight this.

The rule of law exists to protect the value of society in not wanting innocent people in prison.

Your comment on the age article indicates great prejudice. At least you concede that you accept the parts you want to with no evidence and disregard the other parts equally with no basis.

That is the point about the Kobe hypocrisy. You haven’t mentioned the Kobe case. However your forum name is literally Kobe Rules. For someone so quick to condemn someone for a mere allegation of assault (potentially common assault in which the alleged victim did not suffer any physical harm whatsoever) you appear to disregard the fact Kobe was charged with rape.

Maybe you aren’t a hypocrite. Maybe Koberulez is a play on words and you really mean kobesuckz but you haven’t said that.

Just a question koberulez - are you of the opinion that Kobe was innocent or guilty? There were some very reputable news outlets reporting that Kobe was charged with rape. Senior police officers charged him with rape after investigation and DNA evidence. Senior prosecutors believed they had enough evidence to convict.

Based on your logic he’s guilty and they should have thrown away the keys.

However, due to the rule of law Kobe was not guilty and is entitled to be remembered that way.

Based on your logic he's guilty and they should have thrown away the keys

Imagine typing all that nonsense only to land on this point as if its this big gotcha moment. It actually shows you haven’t understood a single thing he’s said.

Imagine if Koberulez is posting anon also, just to agree with himself.

Great. Now that we have established what occurs at the committal hearing, can we agree that if the magistrate decides there is enough evidence to support conviction then Creek should be stood down?

I'm getting dumber reading Koberulz posts.

Stick to board games, dungeons and dragons etc. You’re getting owned in here on a daily basis.

Jordan and LeBron shit over Kobe.

I don't think Koberulz is a genius at all.

Oh I just saw another hypocritical Koberulz post on Twitter, and this one tops them all.

"The positive out of the Mitch Creek thing is some people showing their true colours. Coming out in favour of rape, sexual assault, homophobia, and the deaths of trans individuals while supporting Creek continuing to play is utter trash behaviour."

Where to even start? He's still not getting the relationship between his handle and Kobe’s past in relation to “showing their true colours”. None of Mitch Creek’s allegations relate to any of the above. Defending someone’s right to a proper trial/process and not in the media and or social media, does not mean that anyone is in favour of any of those things.

This stuff is just ludicrous

Easy advice on dealing with Koberulz is to ignore him.
Simply scroll past and if he wants an argument don't give him one as he thinks he is always right.

The poster that likened him to a turd that won't flush is on the mark.

Creek played well. Should be starting over Te Rangi imo.

Yet you still show your ignorance, arrogance and lack of understanding!!

"You went digging through my Twitter profile, found a tweet several days old, and are confused as to why it doesn't relate to a conversation from yesterday?
Top work."

Again, this doesn't address your utter hypocrisy and lack of ability to critically analyse information with any logic.

How daft can one be? This handle has now highlighted how logic cannot be applied to any comment from it ongoing.

A turd that doesn't flush.

No quoting yourself out of this one Koberulz.

Doesn't matter what day of the week you wrote it.

Saying that people supporting the rule of law are in favour of rapists and murderers of transgenders makes you a complete disgrace.

Koberulz, you literally mentioned none of the allegations against Creek in your "old" comment, and you associated it with him (even if indirectly). What a ridiculous thing to say. This screams of wanting attention, and to be seen to be saying the “right thing” in order to create a narrative that simply isn't true.

Address the following

1. You mentioned “coming out in favour of rape” in your last post, can you not see this hypocrisy in this assessment by using this very handle to do so?

2. Will you apologise if all allegations are unfounded once proper due process has been completed and if he is found not guilty?

3. Will you continue to use this handle now that it has been clearly pointed out to you that Kobe faced much more serious allegations?

Btw, I think you should be able to use the handle freely without judgement as Kobe was never found guilty in a court of a crime, much the same as Creek so far.

A turd that won't flush = Koberulz

Backpedaling 101 see below

" The tweet in question is six days old. It was in response to a specific discussion that is itself six days old.
It was not a response to the general idea of advocating for Creek to play until his case is resolved."


The answer is no, and to be honest the original post, no matter the age is utterly disgusting. How dare you judge people like that!

I'm dumbfounded that this was the conclusion you came up with! Please explain, to give context.

People’s lives, mental health and careers are at stake, and you jump to conclusions of this nature? I’ve honestly never been so disappointed in a post as this one. Shameful

Someone is still going down the "koberulz equals hypocrite" line of internet lawyering....