Where does it say in the rule book that they have to give warnings?

It's a hazard for all sports, the afl, league, union, soccer have all struggled big time. Refs are not machines, they see things differently, even on the same call. Imo the coaches should only be allowed to talk to refs in timeouts, 1/4, 1/2 times otherwise shut up. Most time the refs get it right, don’t forget, no refs, no game.

Did you hear Goorjian's off his microphone or did you hear it in the stadium audible to the public? There is a massive difference.

I agree that consistency is the key word. Players/Coaches can adjust to the way the game is being called, but inconsistency within a single game or even a single quarter is a big issue.

I know that each season the Refs have points of focus, and I believe these are communicated to the clubs. Yet I can't imagine how frustrating it must be when reviewing game tape to see countless differences in how contact on and off the ball is being called. It's difficult to make adjustments to your sets and movements when you aren't rewarded for doing so.

Wrapping your arm around the screening player is an example from this current season. It was occurring frequently in the start of the season and not being called. Then the Refs seemingly made a point of calling it for a round or two to try and stamp it out. It's still happening now and not being called, so as a coach or player you're instinctively going to want to ride the Refs about it.

Particularly if you copped a few fouls for it in previous rounds and made the effort to adjust your defensive mindset to not hold. Then seemingly it's suddenly 'legal' again and your opponent is getting an advantage out of something you were previously punished for.

#206 this is every professional sport, AFL, NRL, NBA, NFL etc etc

Water is wet, so?

"Exercising discretion" implies inconsistency. It takes into account the context of the game, previous actions, reputations, the umpire's resilience, etc.

"No discretion" is consistent.

They swear? Tech foul. They step over the court line? Tech foul.
They question a call? Tech foul.

But that might not make for a fun game, exciting spectacle, close ending.
Tech foul a coach for stepping over the boundary line twice in the first quarter? That's a miserable experience for everyone.

There's no league in the world where the refs have such a huge impact on the game more than the NBL.

#249 The NFL and New Orleans Saints from the 2019 Playoffs say hi.

Love how extreme everyone on here gets. No league .... yeah right, every league. Remember the NBA refs caught fixing matches for bets? Nah.

Also worth pointing out its not the referees, its the League directions. They call what they're told to call.

They really need to get rid of the review and only make it available in the last 2 minutes of the game. They also need to learn that not everything is a charge.

partly

I know Aylen and his reputation is outstanding. He's full time afaik. Based on him and knowing where he used to work a fair while ago, he would be on good money.

" 2) despite that I wish the NBL would clamp down on ALL coaches from talking to the refs. Maybe they'd ref better if someone wasn't yelling in their ear all the time. And also set an example for all levels. "

Seconded.

Gleeson and Vickerman sometimes put continuous pressure. I think it makes the refs anxious and doubt themselves. It's fine for coaches to dispute genuinely 50/50 calls and show some emotion, but the constant chatter, almost like they’re coaching the refs, looks unprofessional and probably affects the calls.

I think that Lemanis, Kelley and Shamir are probably the best (based on games I’ve seen) and Gleeson, Vickerman, Goorj (at least in terms of sheet F U ref you don’t know anything) the worst offenders.

Shamir?? You lost credibility there mate

No point the 2 senior guys throwing T's if the rest of the group don't follow. Vickerman copped a technical against Brisbane recently from memory

Forde doesn't get into them much as well, he’s quite polite, so Lemanis, Kelly, Forde, Shamir, Mitchell are fine, Henry snaps at times, that leaves Gleeson, Vickerman, Goorj as the guys that should shut up.
We all on here agree that coaches should shut up, Larry get it done.

Mitchell, do you actually watch the games mate?

" Shamir?? You lost credibility there mate"

Polite disagreement is fine. I've seen him actually explain the rules to referees and then get silence. I like that about Lemanis and Shamir. The problem is not coaches disagreeing with referees, the problem is them riding the referees possession after possession: TRAVEL TRAVEL TRAVEL or HOW LONG IN KEY HOW LONG HOW LONG or FOUL FOUL FOUL or BABA BABA BABA. Actually, the last isn’t directed at the refs but it’s still annoying.

The top offenders are Dean 1st with his Hey hey hey hey and hey!!!! Then G&G Gorgi Gleason are right there Henry started off ok but is now at them job pressure could be his excuse and Mitchell he's right there as well. However the refs are so terrible I don’t even mind it anymore. Look at most the players expressions on most calls and granted not are or bad or wrong calls but the NBL refs are the worst officials by far it’s not even close when you listen to them explain or get into they feelings about a call they missed the replays during the cop showed & proved that what we are witnessing is terrible officiating and in some cases they still got the calls wrong. Also there are a couple officials who bate coaches say things that are dare I say unprofessional from being a ref yet the players and coaches have to take that as well each game we notice the refs more Then the players that says a lot there. I hope this is fixed because they are really shocking each game. You get paid good coin to run up and down and make solid judgement calls yes judgement calls but most NBL refs judgment sucks

Ever heard of punctuation?

Because each Country that qualifies is awarded a referee spot to match. They get invited because we have a team competing. No mens 3on3 team, no referee as an example.

Canada have 3 referee's at the Olympic Games. How does that work with your theory? Another idiot with no clue.

Because FIBA invite specific referees of standing on top of those selected to represent their country. This hasn't happened in regards to the Aus referees. So in fact it proves Canada produces better international referees than we do.

Australia are not at the Olympics for 3 x 3 but we still
have a referee appointed. Nice try thanks for playing

Now that's how you shut a idiot up hahahah

We have a girls team playing, sexist much?

Canada Women have qualified and not the Men. So now we are saying they produce better referee's than the USA whom you all love. Because the Canadian National League is awesome. FIBA chose who they want regardless of who is competing. Rankings within the federation means nothing.

Australia haven't qualified yet but a referee has already been appointed. So no not sexist

Let's go the other way, maybe go look at the list of 30 selected referee's and then go slap yourself for being silly. They even dumped one of Australia's initial appointments.

KET, perhaps I misrepresentated my thoughts on discretion. Yes, we want consistency. Yes we want discretion. But discretion can appear inconsistent. A coach that rides an ump all game long, can be Td for just over more comment. The other coach makes the same comment, and doesn't get the tech. Because... discretion takes into account lots of factors which are invisible to the observe.

It might be very consistent behaviour from the umpire. After 10 snarky comments your get a tech. Every time. Every game. But to the outsider, discretion can appear damn inconsistent without knowing all the factors taken into consideration.

That's all I'm saying. Discretion means that the exact same action can have different consequences based on other factors. It's inconsistent. Or it might be the most consistent application of discretion ever. But no one knows.

The NBL refs sucks let's just agree on that the coaches are going to complain that’s most coaches the good ones know how to get at the refs some use fear some ride refs that there job to affectively deal with such behaviour good refs have thick skin great refs understand time and score these refs don’t do either they are overly emotional can’t take the heat when they stuff up and then give out inconsistent T’s yes they also lie when confronted no integrity at all. They are as close to the USA police as you can’t get might be a bit much but there someone had to say it. They F’ing suck and that’s simple the NBL has a ref issue this is something a lot of fans have a issue with from fans to coaches and players they such and you know what else they don’t care they suck because they will keep getting away with it hahahaha

I think if you can't spell or use correct grammar that you deserve five across the eyes from Mitch Creek.

Well said Koberulz x.

"Most complaints about officiating, in my experience, come from people who either don't like the rules, and think the officials are somehow to blame for them, or don't even know the rules, and think a call is wrong when it's clearly correct."

Except almost every round there is a contentious call that is wrong and there has also been instances where that substantially affects the outcome of the game. In fairness, from what I've seen this year, it's not the likes of Mayberry or Aylen making that call, but that doesn't mean it's not happening or that the illiterate masses don't have a point.

There's a reason the scoring is so low and it's because the defence is allowed too much holding and bumping.

More fouls would force a cleaner game and create more space for people to score.

More fouls = more points.

And if the players don't adjust? The issue is they don't. They want every advantage so like Goorjian teams of old, the current bullets and NZ is they keep whacking and hacking and grabbing and when they are all called they bitch like school girls. Hence why Gleeson, Vickerman, Mitchell, Lemanis, Shamir and to a lesser extent Henry ride every call because they want that advantage.

No that happened during the NZ v Perth championship era's

Imho, the really critical calls are those that adversely impact on safety. So fouls should be called, and some fouls such as any tripping action might be better being over-called for safety.

Stepping onto the court by coaches etc- they're usually older, the game moves quickly, instant call for safety.

Body contact (through close D) against shooter is good D but any kind of hacking or getting under a shooters "cylinder" is dangerous and should be called.

A couple of seasons ago the NBL were doing discussion of contentious calls during breaks in telecasts. Mostly the reviews confirmed the calls were correct.

The refs aren’t as bad as some have made out.

#419 that isn't even coherent. What a ridiculous post.