greenwood i doubt

newley
Dufelmeier Jr and Jack Purchase
Norton, magnay mcveigh

Le Bron.

Very useful post perth fan

How is Greenwood a likely signing? lol. "Yeah he quit basketball like 5 years ago but he's from Tasmania so... likely signing!"

I worry about the dillution of talent with a new team tbh.

Seems like there was big talk about their signings, but they don't look like they're eventuating with McCarron off the table, and chatter that Norton is going to stay a Wildcat.

Hugh Greenwood has indicated his desire to return to nbl to play with the Jackjumpers but it obviously wouldn't be this season.

I will hold my point of view until they announce their signings, hoping that is soon.

There has not been anything out of the Jackjumpers re-names, only confidence that they would have a strong roster.



Waiting waiting waiting for some announcements.

Ooof, now there's a bit of chatter that Norton is going to be a JJ. :/

McCarron's decision being made should now open the flood gates for Free Agency activities. Now that the other clubs know he's off the table, they'll resume or finalise alternatives and be able to structure the rest of their rosters.

Greenwood is under contract in the AFL and earning 400k per year,

He's not leaving that for the NBL, he may try NBL again once his AFL career is done in a few years, but personally wouldnt want my team to sign him

I have heard they are looking at some big names from overseas leagues but obviously they need to concentrate on the locals first and I agree that it's not looking great for signings at this stage.

Fair call anon #135, it is my understanding that the budget for the Jack Jumpers for players should not be an issue....Larry made sure of that.


Sure Kay has signed in Japan - Scott Roth stated that last week.


Season three months away so not a lot of time to pull a whole roster together.

Has Larry given the Jackjumpers a bigger Salary for year one?... because I think we will need it.

Hope they have a big name lined up or it will be a long season down in Tasmania

Why does it need to be a 'big name' according to Perthworld. Once the roster is announced then have a crack.

Chill signings will be announced just not on a timeframe given by an internet forum.

Perthworld - quick ? would you rate Mitch Norton as a 'big name'?

I think Norton is still in shock, and trying to recover from the Thrashing

If Norton goes to JJs I think Kay will be there in a year or 2.

ROFL
For those not aware, Kay is returning to Perth in the middle of 2022.
What he does after that, I have nfi, but I can guarantee you he WON'T be following a mate.
Returning to the NBL and playing for the Cats might be a convenient option, but who knows.

There are a couple of touchy posters on here.

chill

Wouldn't signing a big-named star before, rather than after, your locals/core help to attract a better standard of locals/core and get better value for your roster-spend (*see below).

Remember that this is a 1st-time squad. No core, no locals, no-one else to recruit "around".

If the HC knows what style he wants to implement, he will find his main actors at the big-named end, not the locals. For eg. Sorry to say that Cadee is not a signing that is going to make a gun 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5-man want desperately to join that team. On the other hand, I imagine that Cadee would probably be eager to play with a gun in the team.

*When it comes to the economics, You can guarantee that every player will be after the best deals they can negotiate.

If you've recruited from the locals up, and each one of them get just a bit more than budgeted for, you have less to negotiate with for your main men.
Then you've got the perennial problem of your PR with BIG announcements up front that JJ's have recruited (relative) no-bodies or also-rans at best.

Or, vica versa (is that right?? no spell check on that). If you're putting a team together from scratch, which way do you go?

We definitely need to get one or two big name recruits to start with but by the looks of that is going to be hard,when can they start looking for overseas recruits?

Worth overpaying for the first 'name' player so you don't struggle to lure the rest.

Why does it need to be a 'big name' according to Perthworld.

Perthworld - quick ? would you rate Mitch Norton as a 'big name'?

Apologies Perthworld my post was meant for Perth fan

My bad!

Channel 7 news just reported McVeigh will sign with Jackjumpers. A shame for the Sixers if true, but a good signing for the JJs.

Mitch Norton a good chance to sign with the Jackjumpers.

McVeigh is an ok signing.
The Tassies still need much better local players.

Daniel Felmingham
Last month

Mitch Norton a good chance to sign with the Jackjumpers.




BWAHAHAH how did that work out for you.

Kay's not available - has signed in Japan.

There is lot to playout for the roster to come together, some getting a tad fired up early.


Judge the roster when it is together, personally finding it intriguing.

Kay still available.

koberulz - dunno maybe because there has not been multiple facebook post on his NBL signing on facebook, has been said here multiple times he has signed in Japan.

I am sure the Jackjumpers are still after a marquee player.

Scott Roth said so on the 21st of June (a while ago now) - re Kay signing in Japan.

https://twitter.com/brentcostelloe/status/1406876946353512448/photo/1

What?

Steindl to JJs. 1+1 deal likely.

Where have you heard that Steindl will be signing and do you rate him?

That's not what "confirmed" means.

The tweet says "in discussions".

FWIW Liam didnt say likely, just that they're going for him.

I like the ambition, clearly the have been set up with some serious cash to throw and that’s fantastic

Don't they have the same salary cap as every other team or have they been given a bit extra for the first year?

Salary cap is the same; however in the NBL it is not a hard cap.

Well what other money can they use?

...what? Do you think the league donates money to the teams to spend on players?

How are you on this board with absolutely no understanding of how anything works?

I'm a first year supporter and loving every minute of it.

The roster development of the Jackjumpers is great to watch along with the different takes on it from different posters on here including quite a few self important anons.

Good chance for some to have a crack early.


To state the obvious roster obviously has a long way to go, marquee player needed (if it is Reath great) along with more pieces to the puzzle.


On a side note it is interesting to witness the CEO of Cricket Tas down here getting all fired up about the Jackjumpers (they will compete with the Big Bash team the Hurricanes) quoting the numbers of TV viewers and people who will go to respective games. There is competition in place and they do not like it. Having a real shot at the JJ's and basketball in general.

Fun times.

To Daniel Felmingham (I'm a first year supporter and loving every minute of it.)

To the game or to hoops.com? Either way, welcome. And have fun.

Jacob Chance announced as 1st Asst, Jack Fleming 3rd Asst and Mark Chivers Team manager.

Dunno much about Jack Fleming does anyone? Knew Chance was on the way.

So they have Jack McVeigh signed, will they be chasing Jack White, Jack Purchase, Jack Mooney, Jack Landale, Majack Deng?

You will be part of the roster Jack Toft

Anon #681 did you apply?

Reath is a better player than Patterson and the Jackjumpers are looking a good chance of getting him.

Rob T I'm new to Hoops and to basketball,I decided to get involved because I'm happy to see Tasmania get a national league team which we don't have in the AFL for example.

Fair enough,still learning about the different players but I had heard others say that Reath is better than Patterson but different people have different opinions.
I can't wait to see the Jackjumpers later this year,it's going to be huge for little old Tasmania and I'm going to attend as many games as possible.

Anon # 823 - reckon Reath is what the Jackjumpers need an Australian who would be high impact. The imports 'should' be easier to source.


Perth always have deep pockets and will be in the box seat for signing him.

Rob T I'm new to Hoops and to basketball,I decided to get involved because I'm happy to see Tasmania get a national league team which we don't have in the AFL for example.

They're a good chance to catch a decent Next-Star.

There's a bit of bench talent floating around, and Roth has the contacts to chase good imports.
But they still need a couple of local starters, one of whom will be a Marquee. But who?

Keep in mind that if Perth do get Reath, that means Magnay's going elsewhere, Humphries is still looking, H Froling appears to be moving on, and Hodgson is unsigned.

Kinda sad they didn't get up and running a few years back, as Gibbo would have been an automatic. Not sure if they can squeeze another year out of him, or should.

Indeed. At this point, you'd almost prefer to see him retire and be named an assistant coach.
A couple of years back he could have been the inaugural captain, even on limited minutes, and provided leadership.

Things being as they are, he was squeeze out another season as and end of the bench guy somewhere, but bringing down to Tassie for that seems a bit pointless.

Gibbo is done. If they hire him for the minimum and it will be leadership purposes only

Strong rumours both Magnay and Stiendl on their way to JJ's. Will believe it when it is announced.


My thoughts on the JJ assistants are that Roth has identified tasks then people, there is no one there who takes away from being the HC. He's the man. Not sure if he will be taking advice on plays/situations etc from those he has as AC's

Both Magnay and Reath would be great for any team, hopefully we are successful in getting them.

Doubt very much they will get both Reath and Magnay, would be happy with one of them.

Reckon Reath to Perth and Magnay to either JJ's or Melbourne United.

Would still need another big player so would most likely be one of our three overseas imports.

Why do you believe Perth is the frontrunner for Perth?

Why do you believe Perth is the frontrunner for Reath?

Daniel:

'Born in South Sudan, Reath and his family moved to Brisbane when he was aged 9. He moved again to Perth soon after where he attended Girrawheen Senior High School. '

Plus Perth have and always have very deep pockets.

Scout fair enough,Magnay would be great for the Jackjumpers,we need get a marquee signing that will get people through the turnstiles.

Exactly Daniel - either of them would be great for the roster

Reath will get 400k

I don't know them,how do you rate them?... and what sort of money would they be asking?

Great,I'm sure some team's will look at them,I'm concerned for the Jackjumpers because to me it looks like most of the big players in The free agency are taken, interesting to see who the last few big names sign with.

Terrance Ferguson and Brian Bowen were both cut by there nba teams, would they both be good marquees for JJ

Put very simply when clubs exceed the amount of the Salary Cap, they pay a tax, if they go over a lot then the tax becomes quite punitive.
A Marquee player has a very specific meaning for the purpose of that tax. Up to 4 players can be treated as marquees, which simply put gives generous concessions to any tax that might otherwise be paid, with the benefit reducing from the 1st to the 4th.
Marquees can only be "unrestricted" players, ie not imports. Also, for every import you have the number of allowable marquees is reduced by one.
So as we are going back to 3 imports, most teams aim to target at least one real Marquee. A highly paid local, of whose salary only ~$150k is counted.

Trying to assign salaries, or add up what a team costs, is just pointless nonsense. It's like arguing over which team you think will win a game, when it's played behind closed doors, with a secret result, and you have no idea who is going to play or even what the rules are.

@Daniel, I wouldn't worry. There are still good players available, and you never know who's going to come home from Europe or America. What's import is building a squad and a culture over time, and getting the right players who'll be there for the long-haul.

Have to admit was really hoping for Duop Reath at the Jack Jumpers - type of player they could build the franchise around.

Gorjian has done very well since he has arrived there, have always had a soft spot for Illawarra being a small club that punches above their weight. Pleased if it wasn't the JJ's it is them.


Missing out on a few though

Magnay to Tassie according to Uluc

If true Magnay is a very good piece of the puzzle. Is Olgun Uluc reliable?

Disappointing to miss out on Reath but good luck to Wollongong.

"Is Olgun Uluc reliable?"

Yes - Olgun and Liam Santamaria are the two that are extremely reliable with lots of inside sources for NBL off-season

Olgun today: Reath to Hawks; Magnay to Tassie; Steindl close to signing to Tassie; Jack Salt to Brisbane

Who reported that?

Liam and Olgun reckon Humphries returns to Adelaide

36ers didn't take up the mutual option and are negotiating a new deal; the original one had a significant backend pay which is why the 36ers decided not to take it up and are negotiating a longer deal with bonus structures: number of games played, achieving x etc

KET how do you know this? Sounds like a smart move by Adelaide if true.

Liam Santamaria - check out the Huddle podcast from Friday with Santa and Hooley

Yeah was going to but might be worth a listen thanks KET

Reath is signing with Wollongong, would of be a great get for the Jackjumpers,I'm not sure we can get someone else as good as him.

"Yes - Olgun and Liam Santamaria are the two that are extremely reliable"
if they were cars, you'd sell them to the wreckers.
Both let themselves down by constantly trying to be the first to "break" stories, often based on nothing more than supposition.
Santa "broke" the story that Norton was going to Tasmania, then when proven wrong, invented some crap about an 11th hour bid from Perth.

Then one of them claimed McVeigh would be their first roster signing, apparently oblivious to McDaniel.

Sure, many of their claims today will probably pan out, but wait for the official announcements.

And again, there's too much focus around a couple of players.
It's even worse when it comes to imports, and people keep prattling on about recycling the same few imports.

Just a fan, it's also well known on this forum to not listen to Dazz (D2.0 as 1.0 failed)

Quite disappointed that they weren't given enough cash to land Delly.
Who's still out there that would be real Marquee material?

Their bench is fine, but they need a couple of top-shelf locals to be starters.
Magnay should be great for them, but if he's their best local, they could be stretched.

Basketball "journalism" in this country really is pathetic.
Just read a bunch of recycled puke from Rowbottom who pretends to write for the ABC, but basically just seems to regurgitate whatever Santa has crapped out, without even bothering to proof read.

Reporting the RUMOURED signing of Reath (still unconfirmed a week later) as fact, and claiming Illawarra as his home town???

Spinning Delly's move to Melbourne as being a result of the JJ's being asleep at the wheel.
Repeating the BS about Norton, and making out as though the movement of Perth players to Tasmania was anything other than amicable.

Reath grew up in Perth. If & when he signs with Illawarra, it will be for all the usual reasons, not becuase it's his home town.

Delly is from Melbourne, and once United set their sights on him, he was never going anywhere else. He'll be on Marquee money make so mistake, and even if JJs had the cash to splash, MU still had the inside running.

Norton was NEVER going to Tasmania. He is the Wildcats next Captain, loves Gleeson, and had already re-committed to the team.

And to suggest the movement of surplus Wildcats to Tasmania was anything other than planned, is laughable. I imagine it's a part of why Roth got the job. Huge cred as a development coach, NBL championship experience, well-established US network, and the ability to start the process with a small cadre of familiar players.
So tell us Chris, who exactly do you think has left Perth that we wanted to keep?

Classic dazz

"Deladova comes from Maryborough, not Melbourne."

Are you actually retarded?
On the off-chance you were dropped on your head as a child, I'll spell it out for you:

Delly is from Victoria (Capital City of which is MELBOURNE.) He grew up in a country town about 150k from MELBOURNE (Which in Australia is basically suburbia)

Until such time as the NBL establishes a Franchise in Bendigo, The MELBOURNE team(s) are closest to his home town, being about 400km closer than Adelaide.

Pretending Norton was never leaving when every single report has Perth throwing a massive pay cheque 5 him to keep him away from Tasmania is daft.

Who gives a shit if people loosely say Melbourne? Isn't the point it is his home team?

From another Maryboroughian, yeah the Victorian one, not the better known one in Qld (a very outer non-suburb of Sydney).

When asked where I'm from, I usually say "Melbourne", rather than "Maryborough, the one in Vic, up near Bendigo and Ballarat". What's the problem.

Koberulz, I'll stick with Melbourne.

Can someone please tell me how many players each team has to sign including Rookies?

Eleven in the main squad excluding development players who can suit up for games and training players who can't.

Perthworld Thankyou kindly!!

"I'd hazard at a guess that Maryborough hasn't got any nbl member driving to Melbourne to watch them every week. It’s over a two hour drive and 169 Kim’s, facts never been your strong point.
He’s a Victorian, yes, if that’s your point, all those premierships you have won in the last decade would be Sydney’s as the base of your team came from nsw, yes they moved interstate. it is allowed.
Just by the way Busselton is close to the same distance to Perth, it’s certainly not a suburb of Perth, or to make you happy, the nbl could put a team there."

I simply made the point that a Melbourne team had the inside running, even before money was put on the table.
You're the one making a big song & dance about the fact that he grew up in a country town just outside Melbourne.
And I said "about" 150k. Historically distances were measured from I think either Town-Halls or Post Offices, but sure let's go with 169km. Still puts it just outside Melbourne.

"Two hour drive"? well that's just because Melbournians don't know how to drive and ride everywhere on Trams.

And whilst I don't know what NBL team he followed, given I think there were still multiple Melbourne teams when he was born, I do know that he's a Collingwood supporter. Guess what city they're based in.

Premierships? The Eagles have only won one in the last decade.
As for the Wildcats, Knight came from Tasmanian, Jawai from QLD, Wagstaff from Canberra, Redhage from Nebraska, Cotton from Arizona, etc. Kay came from Tamworth yes, but according to your logic that puts in a different galaxy compared to Sydney.

As for Norton, here's what we know, as facts:
He was recruited twice by Gleeson.
He was named Vice-Captain last season, and the incumbent captain is close to retirement.
He has shown exceptional dedication to his team, and loved by Perth fans.
He's stated publicly that he loves Perth and playing for the Wildcats.
Perth are not short of a quid, but were going through a sale-process when the season ended and FA kicked off.
Immediately following the finalisation of that sale agreement, first thing they did was announce Norton's new contract.
Santa, in his never-ending quest to "break" "big stories" claimed Norton had signed in Tasmania. Then when proven wrong came out with the story of Perth winning him back with a big 11th hour offer.

Just my opinion, but there's nothing there that substantiates Santa's claim.

On the other hand, I was told beforehand, by people with a better hit-rate than Santa, that Norton had already committed to the Wildcats.

I've no doubt that at some point the JJ's put an offer to Norton. And I've no doubt that their entry into the competition increased his value.
But beyond that? The only thing we say for 100% sure is that Norton stayed in Perth. (So I'm right and Santa was wrong.)

The article is pushing the idea of some rivalry based on their assertion that the JJ's have somehow poached a bunch of Perth players, and that they almost had Norton too. I call BS.
Signing Magnay, a player Roth never crossed paths with in Perth, points even more towards cooperation.

The article also paints a dirty picture of Norton, claiming that he strung the JJ's along with false promises, just to leverage a better offer from Perth.

Instead of retrospectively making claims without evidence, why don't these "in the know" journalists actually tell us something we haven't already heard??
Are they going to sign a Marquee?
Who's going to be their other local players?
Imports?

I'd give them far more credit if they could actually get something correct, instead of making up click-bait after the fact.

This is terrific news,we have finally signed a big fish and I couldn't be happier,I can't wait to see who we can sign next.

Santa, in his never-ending quest to "break" "big stories"

On the other hand, I was told beforehand, by people with a better hit-rate than Santa, that Norton had already committed to the Wildcats.

"How often is he wrong?" asks Koberwallah...
In a discussion specifically related to Santa being wrong...

Making a completely false claim,
then inventing some conspiracy theory to explain how you weren't really wrong, doesn't make you right.

"he would have been signed"

He was. I realise things must be different in your universe, but in this one time is linear and moves forward.
Norton's new contract required approval form the new owners, and was literally the first thing announced
(after the announcement of the new owners)
IIRC there was less than two hours between the two.

"none of the JJ's stuff would ever have happened."

Not sure what you mean by "stuff"? If you mean Santa making up bullshit, well then I hate to shatter your illusions, but it happens often.
I haven't checked but is he also claiming to be correct about Trev going to Asia? because "there's a lot of Asians in Torronto"???

The Magnay one is interesting.
Under Trev he was only ever going to be a 20 min guy, and Perth weren't going to pay top dollar for that. So assuming he wants more minutes and commensurate cash, he was never staying in Perth.
BUT, would a new Perth coach have offered him more?? Guess we'll never know.

Signing for one year, and publicly saying "I'm only here till I get another NBA invite" is a bit of a weird one. If NBA is the only other consideration, he could have signed for 3 years, with the ubiquitous NBA-out clause.
Cos this actually reads like "I'm here for a year to try and get back to the NBA, and if not then I'm leaving for the best gig I can find". Understandable, but not really franchise-building.

I'm hoping they still have a big signing up their sleeve, because they still have to announce their Inaugural Captain

"How often is he wrong?" asks Koberwallah...
In a discussion specifically related to Santa being wrong...

Making a completely false claim,
then inventing some conspiracy theory to explain how you weren't really wrong, doesn't make you right.

Norton's new contract required approval form the new owners

These two look reasonable from what I have read about them but I still think they are not the star injection that the Jackjumpers need.

I hope that is "the 7" and it's only stars from here, because those two aren't adding much.
I'm a little surprised they've gone for such an old squad.

It's going to be very interesting to see how he shapes the squad.
How much will he follow the Gleeson model, and how much will he try to bring his experience to bear.
Still reckon he needs one more local starter...

With imports, it's often about giving them an opportunity and a taste of the NBL and Australia. Some go on to bigger and better things, some stick around. I'm certainly not going to bag a couple of guys I haven't seen play yet.

It's fairly common in the NBL to see combo guards in the backcourt, so we'll just have to wait and see how these things work out.

Still waiting on one local spot to complete that part of the roster. I'm hoping they've got something big in play, as they still need to name a Captain. (No idea who might still be in play though.)
Or they could go for an "Asian"(market) player.

And people should be careful about making "weather" presumptions. Tassie is downright tropical compared to many parts of North America, and "Basketball Players" come from all over.

Nikita Mikhailovskii, a 6'8 Russian wing who was named VTB young player of the year, will sign with the Tasmania JackJumpers of the Australian NBL as part of their Next Star program, a source told ESPN.

JJs will announce import number 3 on Monday.

Any idea if this player is another American?

99% of NBL imports are American.

They could name Anthony Davis as their next import and Anon #6055 would still spin a negative view on it. Seems to have a bee in his bonnet about the JJ's... Silly boy.