the W will go to Marty as he coaches the 36ers to another loss

Crocs will win. 36ers don't know how to- at least under Clarke and co (Radford you fat ginger).

As much as I love the Sixers and will continue to support them no matter what, I think they are at an all time low and honestly I cant see them winning another game this season....

Crocs by 18. Tough road double for a good side let alone this rabble! TV bench will get some good mins otherwise 30 point blow out!!

Thomo, thanks for the insight.

Crocs to win easy. Our team has no fight, no spirit, no chance.

Crocs will get up by 9.
Looking forward to watching Simpson vs Holmes. This match-up could have a bearing on the end result.
Here's hoping Warren can back up with another solid offensive game.

My heart says the 36ers, my head is leaning towards the Crocs. But you never know, the Crocs also had a tough loss last night...

Sixers to lead and look good at some point only to fall apart at some point and manage to steal the loss.
Warren for 10 points.
DJ to be better from the field but worse for rebounds.
Weigh to score 14, 6 of which will come when It's over.
Simpson to look good only to get tired when the other team has their run.
Creek to bounce back. Predicting 16 minutes.

I doubt if the players have much to say, they are a great bunch.
What i find interesting is they said for nearly 2 full season they are rebuilding, 1st season dump a few, bring in new. How many teams win by changing their core? If the coaches don't know how to keep a team together, and the owners say he is doing a good job? Who is doing it wrong?
According to the owners its not them, according to the coaching staff its not them, prob even the fitness team think they are marvelous?
Any big company would know if the Indians are not working properly look at the chiefs.
According to them they kept the best? And recruited well? I bet they will again have to replace 1/2 the team at the end of the season as they are rebuilding. Its like football we have learnt from this game. If after so many years as a coach and still cant get it right at the elite level, I'm sure some year 3 team are looking for coaches still on their L plates.
No wonder the rumours are rife that many are not renewing, and im not talking players

There were some positives against Melbourne but this is a big ask. Townsville will be hurting and will be glad to be at home to redeem themselves. Adelaide lost last time there and is coming of a crushing loss. I'd love to tip Adelaide, but I can't. Crocs by 14. I've done a game review below

http://www.36reasons.net/2012/02/preview-crocs-v-36ers-sun-5212.html

Having watched the tigers game again tonight, I am amazed at the young age and lack of experience we put on the court as our starting (or finishing) five. we don't yet have the cagey old wortho, the clever saville or the multi-faceted Anstey- yet... We are not just waiting for a couple of the group to develop, we are waiting for the WHOLE group to develop. I know it is bloody frustrating for fans and players alike, but what do you really expect Marty and co. to do- berate and abuse these guys aka Al Westover (although I did enjoy his timeouts). I really don't think this would achieve anything. Maybe this guy is teaching the boys a valuable lesson about being in control while under pressure. If you turn it over a few times, come off for a bit and re-focus, then have another go, I reckon that is teaching good mental skills. Of course these guys are gonna make some bad decisions at times, but hang in there folks, good things come to those who wait...
Cheers

Actually Isaac I feel strangely confident we might win tonight
If warren has another blinder and dj builds his confidence further
I think we can stretch them

Looking forward to see how Jacob goes was disappointed
We never kept him

I started at the AIS , and then tried the harder stuff.
E V E R Y . - . B o d y ! ..
said they'd stand behind me , when the game got rough.
BUT ! , .. the joke was on me ! , ...
there was nobody even there to bluff.
I'm going back to Tasmania . I do believe I've had enough.

15 minutes till game time. If you thought Carfino is bad at 10:30pm, should take a look at the uncut versions/.

http://theusagetv.org/broadcast/16/34/363502/watch-townsville-crocodiles-adelaide-36ers.html

Love the Bob Zimmerman cover Camel! Some irony with the choice of that song for a basketball player, too.

http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-2/16/34/v-363502.html

Good times.

Is Helliwell taking the piss with that moustache?

Mitch Creek answering the haters.

Anon, are you kidding? He picked up two early fouls and then got a third.

Yep Creek is balling, even the jump shot is falling. Just imagine how much his game would open up if he could get that to fall at a decent rate.

Yep Creek is balling, even the jump shot is falling. Just imagine how much his game would open up if he could get that to fall at a decent rate.

Love the big F U from Creek. Quality player who can def ball. Has one bad game and all the haters come out of the wood work "I knew he couldn't play, always said he was a hack".

I'm not saying one half of basketball makes this kid a superstar, but the ridiculous hate from some people after the tigers game was just bs.

Anyone who watched 1st half online having issues with live steam in 2nd half

Yeah doesnt seem to be working. Sucks, i had it on mute and was enjoying.

Yes, wildcats80. Just threw the cat at the screen. Fortunately, it was a wildcat but ..... dang, where's the online feed gone? Sick of staring at the halftime shootout guy. Steve, Shane, please turn the online feed back on!

8.18pm - just came back on.

Awesome, thanks for the heads up Moses! And on queue the 6ers are falling apart ahhh boy

Those Herbert fouls have swung the game. What did he do?

24-10, bloody useless the 36ers are in the 3rd quarter

10 pint 3rd quarter, is how you go about losing a game you have had a double digit lead in. This season cant finish fast enough. Side note, id LOVE to see Eddie Gill in a 36er uniform, he plays how a high paid import should.

Isaac was a foul and then the refs said he pushed Gill after the initial foul... i THINK anyways. Game was well and truly changing before that play anyways. Watchout for the Crocs, with Schenscher getting his rhythm back, this team could cause some upsets in the playoffs.

Anon Clarke said it was to do with a promise he had made to DJ to make him the focus, not a back up. The signs were there back then, that Clarke was out of his depth in this business. Shame, Luke wanted to be a 36er and was ready to sign.

Capitulation in the end.

Not much left to say about this season. Consistently bad, im done with the emotional out cries about what needs to change. Energy wasted.

Besides Ng and Creek no one plays with any heart. Once again we get demolished with stupidity from coaching panel.

We should stop playing Bartlett and give more time to Ng and Daly. The guy is a lair and he doesn't take anything from a timeout and put it into action.

I can't believe players did nothing all game but Marty kept putting back in there dreaming of a results. Why he benched Creek who was having a blinder is beyond me.

Good game Jacob.

SACK CLARK. Creek played real well though on the bright side.

Agree Anon, 7'1 guys with coordiantion alone are rare. Mini cult status and local aswell, is icing on the cake! Schenscher should be a 36er, but that time has passed. The future now must evolve around upgrading on Ballinger and change the coaching staff. The current group are not responding to anything Clarke says. Even if what Clarke says is the right move, if the group have lost faith, its as good as done.

Simpson 2nd highest eff. rating gets 15 mins.
Warren ZERO assists for an import P/G.

Jacob & Luke not required by 36ers.

As the old Labor slogan said "IT'S TIME"

So Creek gets 3rd highest minutes tonight and is on at the end of the game but the coaches didn't play him enough? And last night his poor game is due to coaches having destroyed his confidence but tonight his good game is in spite of the coaching? Boy - a bit of rationality please, folks.

For the people getting on the Simpson didnt play enough bandwagon he had 3 fouls in the first 2 minutes

Haven't seen the game but will still watch the replay despite knowing the result...

Went out to the shop and to drop off a DVD to a mate and we're up 48-43 at half time. I get back and there is 2 minutes left and we're down by 16. WTF???

Good to see Mitch Creek have a great game. Can't say I was one of the haters after Friday so I can safely say it was good to see him bounce back well.

Clarke is now 14-34 as 36ers coach and we're on a 6 game losing streak. I'll admit I don't mind reading his articles so I wonder what Boti will have to say in The Advertiser tomorrow...

Id throw all of Ballinger's money at a big time import, doesn't matter what position he is, but he MUST be a game breaker. Trying to follow Perth's plan of even decent players across the board hasnt worked for us, so time to work around a franchise player, and get the crowd engaged again with supporting a hero type player. This squad is bad, boring as hell to watch and fans wont be come next season if the team resembles what they are now.

Anon, most of us don't believe Creek will be a superstar in the NBL. At best he'll develop into a very good player but he's no 'franchise player', not yet anyway. Its just that after Friday nights performance against Melbourne (especially his 2 turnovers mid-way through the 4th among other things like botched showboating dunks) it was good to see him bounce back the very next game with his best game in the NBL to date.

And yep, this time we are definitely back in the bomb shelter....and this on a weekend when the Hawks lost by 41.

Kobe - I'm not sure about the fans not coming if things don't change. History suggests our fans are a relentlessly hopeful bunch and have kept turning up in league leading numbers ever since the Powerhouse opened.

Let's face it, the fans have not had much to turn up for, for over 5 seasons now and still they're there. Fundamentally, I think the fans love the 36ers and, while they find it hard to forgive failure, still come out expecting things to improve. I think they will return next year as well. And, sooner or later, the fans will get their reward. I just hope it's sooner!

Ive been one of those fans, so ive seen a fair bit. And i can this is as boring a style of basketball ive seen a 36ers team play. No one has a voice, they are all ghosts. A few of my mates who have also been die hards, have already said they wont be there if Clarke's 3 year plan plays out. Basically few people i know, will stay interested and go to the odd game etc but will only re sign as season ticket holders when their is a change at the helm. Those Crocs played some fast paced run and gun basketball tonight, they are fun to watch. We have no personality which is a first for mine.

Carfino and Heal, that opening scene will be giving me nightmares for years to come. Awkward television.

Kobe really, you sound like you want people to not sign up. Why does everyone think taking money from a struggling club is an answer. When things do turn around and you come back out of the woodwork I hope the club refuses your membership.

And just to clarify, yes Jacob not wanted by the 36ers and not wanted by the other 8 teams as well. He probably needed that to do something about his last 2 seasons (his worst 2 of his career)when a chance popped up.

And Luke, did not want to come to Adelaide !!

Singlets, it is what it is. The product has to offer a minimal amount of interest about it, to keep people forking out there hard earned cash. This is as bad as its been since ive been supporting, which is a real shame.

And your dead wrong about Luke Schenscher not wanting to come back to the 6ers, it was verbally agreed upon. But your entitled to you're opinion, even if it goes against the facts.

"Awkward television"

That's exactly how i'd describe ONEHD's NBL Coverage.

I'm not trying to second guess the coaches but Schenscher was killing Simpson in the 1st half with his movement and height, a complete mismatch. I know he's not the best defender around but it might have been worth putting DJ on Big Red IMO. At least there wouldn't be a 15cm height difference...

Weigh's the player to get fans engaged - Clarke told us.
11 , W . Helliwell a coupla nice passes.
Schenscher scores easily on Simpson and Johnson , but nothing on Helliwell . I read on here that he cain't play. So , I must be wrong... half-time..Don't try no-doz

Ok, I've seen enough. I'm sick to death of seeing Stephen Weigh getting the ball and immediately putting up a fucking bomb with 10 or more seconds left on the shot clock in the 4th quarter of a game...

At just about every one of our 15 games we've lost he's done this. Ok I know he's injured but damn, enough is enough.

Good effort from Creek after a stinker on Friday. Simpson defending Schenscher all match (when he was on the court) until the last 4 minutes was an absolute joke. Ok to try it and see how he went, but massive height difference and was killed from the beginning to the end. I know Johnson's not a good defender, but surely the coaching staff could have tried something else - double teaming, Johnson, changing up the defence etc. Truly frustrating to watch all game. Helliwell, Ng and Bartlett need to go next season. They don't offer anything to the team whether because of the coaching or they're just not good enough

I just want to see what we would do with this team and another coach. Clark might not have done heaps wrong tonight but I think he has already lost the players confidence. Him having 1 decent coached game is pointless now.

Weigh needs to harden the f$%K up and take the ball to the ring instead of standing back and just shooting constantly.
Creek showed what he could have been doing all year, if Clark was such a good AIS coach you struggle to see the improvment he has given Creek.
DJ really for a guy averaging 16 points you put some shots up tonight that were average looking..didnt know he was averaging 8 rebounds though, would be 14ish if he put in the effort Simpson did!

I work weekends, going to games costs me that days income (sunday games only). This team REALLY doesnt make me want to do that right now and I will be pissed if I decide to take Sunday off and we have another lack of effort loss.

Holden, if Weigh is injured as everyone keeps mentioning then he shouldn't be leading the league in minutes.

Good to see the Sixers finally use Creeks strengths in offence for a change. He finally got the ball in the post or was used inside.

Weigh with the great start but then did nothing the rest of the game and went back into his coast mode.....

Why Clarke went with the strategy of Simpson guarding Schenscher is unbelievable but I guess expected by a coach with his losing record.

Why Creek was taken off after 3 minutes in the 3rd is very strange also. His replacement was Herbert whose best play of the game was fouling off. Why would Clarke persist with him for the last 7 minutes of the 3rd and then 5 minutes of the last quarter? He offered nothing and played 25 minutes. Why didn't Clarke realise Creek was having an excellent game and to let him keep playing. Instead its more important Weigh gets the minutes.

KingJames I wish I had an answer to that but even Clarke has said he's playing injured. It doesn't make sense.

This is what we should be seeing from Creek almost every game. Pity his coach seems to like benching those who are doing well and giving good minutes to others, like Herbie, who stink up the joint more than the current crop of NBL referee's...

Once Schenscher's offense started to get on top of Simpson (er...from the first time he touched the ball that is) Clarke should have had DJ (or Helliwell) helping out with a double team. If Big Red got a pass off to an open man then live with it but that wouldn't happen every time. To play Simpson on him the whole time both were on the court at the same time was pointless. The only reason it didn't hurt us in the first half was because we managed to hold the rest of the Crocs out. Once our D went out the window with our O in the 2nd half the Crocs exploited the Schenscher/Simpson mismatch and Clarke did nothing to stop it.

Skud, that's exactly my point about Weigh. In the last (and often starting late in the 3rd) he consistently gets the ball with 10-15 seconds or more of the shot clock remaining and just bombs one away with complete disregard for what is needed by the team, or if he has a defender playing him close. Nine times out of ten he doesn't even try to look for a more open team mate or drive to the hoop, he just camps himself near or outside the 3pt line and bombs away. And the sad thing is that he has a partner in crime in Nathan Herbert who has a bad habit of doing the same bloody thing.

5-15, last place and on a 6 game losing streak with our next 3 games against Townsville and Perth at home and another game in Melbourne. HOPEFULLY we can get to 8-15 or at least 7-16 but somehow right now I can't help but feel it will be 5-18 once the month is out leaving Adelaide like they are right now, without a win in 2012...

the televised time outs in the last half were just sad, Clarke explaining hard .... then asking " everyone got that ?" .........answered by players with silence and no direct eye contact.

I actually feel sorry for Marty.

Another promising start, another critical foul (gave them 5pts), another bad loss.

Would be good to see the Creek bashers from Friday come out and backup those comments. I'd also like to see all the Warren fans come out and convince me he's one of the best imports in the league. 0 assists in 30min with 6pts and 0 rebounds. Not good enough. And don't just point to friday's game- consider the opponent, the team structure and the fact we lost.

Eddie Gill- 16pts, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 steals and a big win.

I've done an extensive review on my blog

http://www.36reasons.net/2012/02/oops-we-did-it-again-adelaide-v.html

Clarke can't score the ball for them, especially in the 3rd....

lol
23 points in a second half

not really a surprise is it?

just hand us the spoon now

With a bit of luck the players will be at the 36ers Auction. I'll shout them a beer.

I think Schenscher got 20 points , mostly on Simpson.
Gotta easy one on Johnson and Weigh , who cain't do much injured. Schenscher didn't look like scoring on Helliwell,
in the second , for a coupla minutes. Just like Nevill in Perth one game. Still , ya don't like Helliwell, so Simpson it was.
Weigh fans have had a good season .
The NZ guy from Perth , just forgotten his name , cain't shoot. ..- Aw well , ..
What difference which side you're on if you're sailing on the Titanic?

such extreme fans in adelaide. instead of accepting a poor game from a young player, he is not up to it and has no future. he turns it around and the doubters point to his season stats or that it was a loss or mostly in one half. how about some middle ground? everything must be an argument to be won. 'ha ha! i told you this player was garbage. i;m laughing as he fails to achieve your benchmark'.

Titanic?

Camel, thanks for that! I am now trying to get out of my mind the image of Marty and the Rat on the bow of the Titanic!

(refer Leonardo and Kate)

Schenscher didn't score anything but free throws (from fouls committed when Helliwell was on the bench) when Helliwell was on the court. Didn't check how long they were both on for, but it would've been a logical match-up.

Only problem with that is that you're then reacting rather than being proactive. Helliwell is not a threat on offence. If you play Helliwell for most of the time Schensch is on, Simpson and Johnson are going to spend more time off the court.

Isaac - Two very nice assists and a sweet 17 footer from Helliwell , but ain't gonna give as much as Johnson and Simpson in offense.
Jack - The clown crying in the alleyway image. I cain't get it outta my head.
Big Ads - Wake up ! The Titanic sails at dawn.

pAUL REES
COULD PLay and was franchise when came to championships unlike the big Hellipoor

can only hope SOS are like a football club.
when you hear that the board has the coach's full backing, what do they do a few weeks later?

sack the coach!

i swear if they do, I will be a good boy and go to church every week until whenever Lent is!

Tropical booz was spot on!!

Tropical booz was spot on!!

While in the end , even his love child wasn't looking at the play board .

" They're not taking the losses hard enough ." Maher on TV news just then .
Stirling ; " They're in a priviledged position....."
They're gonna get a rocket , this week , from Maher and Stirling , out there.
Betta go and have a look.

Last night it should have been quite obvious from early in the game that:

Only Helliwell could defend Schenscher &
Simpson was a threat to score or attract the double in the low block every time he got the ball and he was also capable of matching or bettering Holmes on the boards.

But he was left on LS and as a result was in foul trouble all night.

Woolpert realised that early on and made Luke the focal point whenever Simpson was matched up on him. Clarke failed to counter. Very ordinary coaching IMO.

Simpson is just about the most poorly utilised player I have ever seen in an NBL team.

Aw .: To Clarke and Weigh , - Stirling's gotta built in bulls..t detector , and so has Maher , by the way.

helliwell doesnt need to be a threat on offence. just a big man defensive stopper

In some ways I think Clarke might have been better off having Helliwell guard Schenscher and rotate DJ and Simpson at PF with DJ also playing the 5 spot as needed.

It was obvious from very early in the game that Simpson simply couldn't combat the 15cm height difference between himself and Big Red and with Schenscher actually hitting his shots it wasn't pretty to watch. As good a defender as Simpson is he just had no answer. Question is why didn't Clarke or Radford see it? Woolpert definitely saw it and as fstos pointed out he exploited it. For the Crocs it was a mismatch made in heaven.

I hear from BrownTown that the crowd of 3322 for the 6ers game was the lowest crowd in their 20 season history!?!

Except the game was played in Townsville

Although he cops of lot on this forum, Helliwell does have a role in the team, but is poorly used.

He's big, he's bad, he's ugly.

So why send him outside the 3 point arc?

He doesn't need to score in offense, just alter the opponent's favoured way of scoring and rebound. Use his skills under the ring to stop the easy penetration (Sixers Help D is non-existant), get the boards and find the outlet pass. In offense, park him on a block to either feed him a high ball for them to foul him, or else it ties up a second player to free up a shooter. Having him there for the offensive rebound has got to be better than forcing him set screens.

Jack, Helliwell outside the arc reminds me of the horrible offense the Boomers were running in Sydney Olympics.

I don't think it was Stirling and Maher that interviewed Clarke and Weigh . They commence to doing it this week.
Weigh comes out for a little while , sometimes.
Does his own thing , so he can play 34mins.
As great as you are man , you'll never be greater than yourself.
Others have to sweat , out there.

I don't think Clarke and Radford were really swithched on to guarding Schenscher.
Woolpert was gonna rest Schenscher when Helliwell was on. Helliwell told them twice that Ben Allen was coming in , but they didn't hear him.
Woolpert v Clarke = meaning v innocuousness.

Camel, I think it could be a reference to Stirling being involved somehow in the initial selection of Clarke.

From back before the decision was made:

Due to the amount of interest shown by local and internationally experienced coaches the 36ers have welcomed World Championship winning coach Jan Stirling's input into the exhaustive selection process.

Stirling has volunteered to work alongside 36ers staff and one other yet to be named outsider to ensure the right person is selected for the job.

it sucks cause i sooo badly want to love this team.

dj is such an exciting offensive threat. will only get better.

simpson is a workhorse. super around the basket.

creek is an amazing athlete.

warren has breakneck speed and is a super hot shooter from range.

ng can light up off the bench.

weigh is a great mid-range shooter.

honestly if you fill in the gaps right this is a great team. unfortunately we may not see them come together in time.

the sixers need to approach newley with ball's salary and tell him one day his family can come see his guernsey up with mahers and davis's. will likely get turned turn but need to try, otherwise next best like.

i dont think sacking clarke with a year to go is the anwser. it gets teams nowhere doing that crap. he has one more year, give him that. let him go after a strong scoring sg who can defend the guards in the nbl ( who are killing us). if he fails then we move on, we should have plenty of time to be scoping out who we want and most of marty's players he signed shouldnt be tied to us so the new coach can go after who he wants.

phil, I don't mind the idea of demoting him but keeping him involved. I just don't think they can risk another season like this again.

Not sure if Newley is within reach. Delly is a guy who could help on D. Hate to harp on about him, but he'd bring versatility. If he wasn't up to starting, start Crosswell. If he was, then he could play PG and also SG when Crosswell was at the point.

At least we're going to get a high draft pick.

In think any move apart from some movement of Clarke from coaching role is going to get ticket holders excited as we got fooled last two years .

Daniel Johnson , in The Advertiser , was seeing what his agent comes up with for next season , whether that's here or elsewhere , he told us.
(Maybe in Melbourne , I'd guess. )

Suze is gonna give five thousand bucks at the 36ers Ausction on Sat 18thFeb , in a bid to win a date with Wade Helliwell .

Phil, what can you see that nobody else can, that would indicate there has been any improvement whatsoever in the last 2 seasons that would warrant putting up with another year of Clarke? Not only no sign of improvement but no change at all as far as results go. 2 wasted years are more than enough, why go for a 3rd? Things are not going to suddenly turn around in the 3rd. The fans will not tolerate another year. They are screaming for changes now.

Anon #349795, you can't have a team mostly made up of juniors that will develop in the years to come for 2 reasons, firstly the NBL is not a developing league, it needs to be a professional league at all times, and secondly, the experienced senior players are needed to bring this professionalism whilst at the same time the juniors are learning from them. Clarke is a developer of juniors but not for the NBL, the NBL development comes when they actually train and play with experienced NBL players. This is why we will never be successful whilst Clarke is using this league as a junior training field and the 36ers is fielding a team of juniors.

Also the problem with junior development is the better they get the higher salaries you got to offer. NBL doesn't have much leighway for salary cap so the players end up getting poached.

im not saying i want clarke here for another year, just saying sacking coaches and paying them out rarely works out very well.

im just worried we would likely grab whatever was available coach wise then get told we stinged on imports because we had to pay out clarkes contract. then be stuck again.

whatever happens i want it done right next time. people say we cannot afford another shit year, i say we absolutely cannot afford another shit 2 or 3 years. that would come close to killing us.

very much agree with going after delly..

doesnt he have another year of college after this year though??

as for cadee im a fan, and certainly could play him along side warren for scoring punch and both can handle the rock the only problem is that our weakness is defending guards especially any guard thats not a stick, running with cadee and warren we would likely have another similar year to this one.

newley can score and also guard the small quicks or bigger guards also. im very aware its unlikely but try playing every emotional card you can sixers. take a photo of a girl crying at a sixer game whatever.

god ild love delly.

outside of those i cannot think of an aussie 6'1-6'5 who can score regularly and defend strongly that will be available. since when did this become a hole in australian ball?

Much as I love watching Delly for St Mary's, he's a bit too slow up the court for me in an NBL setting. I'm a run 'n' gun, "play it fast" kind of fan.

phil, not so much a hole as it is asking a lot and competing with other teams to get it. Not every team has a Gibson or Martin.

hmm if you want a guy 6'8 ish who can score around the basket or a j from range we have plenty of those.

6'10 + international level players yeah we have tonnes of those ( obviously alot playing international).

6'1ish hard defenders some who can score as well, yeah there is a tonne of those around the league.

6'3- 6'7 guys who can score from range or slash and are strong defensively ????? newley and ingles are the only ones who come to mind? hell i cant even think of even a close equivalent in the nbl? maybe crawford or bose but not even close to what im refering to. both more stop and pop.

actually i think we have a problem with almost zero australian players over 6'3 who can actually put the ball on the floor. any players we have in that height range are stop and pop shooters. any with any athletic gift wait for an open lane/ fast break. so trying to find someone in the height range who can lock down defend and not be a liability on offense are super sparse. who in the nbl is in the height range and a strong stopper?