The Lions group seem to run very little to no set offence. Their structure looks to be a bit of dribble drive motion and motion screening offence. Their defence is very, very aggressive.

It seems to me that their structures a conducive to developing players rather than winning in the short term.

In the u18 div1 boys, forestville won summer, 3rd state champs and if they don't win their next 2 games miss out on winter finals for the second year running! Same state coach also!!!

Heard another Norwood boy in U14s may be jumping ship and heading out to Lions country. And all these kids left their previous club to be with friends - or so the story went

And the he asked to LOAN a uniform for Nationals. lol wink wink.

See that the Forestville 18 Boys have to play Strt this week as well. And heard that Sturt are looking to play their full strength team.

I hope that the same thing doesnt happen at State level.

Forestville's idea of a good coach and what the rest of us expect, seems to be quite different.

State is for coaches who haev some success. Not for those coaches who's teams go backwards.

They are an undisciplined rabble! Bunch of kids that might have talent but have very bad attitudes!

Anon, interesting take on it. Arnie is a very a good coach and a champion bloke. Eagles are lucky to have him.

However, I think your view of Future Career > U18 Basketball finals is a little bit simple, small minded and not really reality. What if characteristics developed in U18 finals and managing your time so you do well in school = future career. Furthermore what if it equaled opportunity for free or discounted University Degree in another country whilst still playing and improving your basketball??

Apart from, tiger, sturt, forestville, west and Norwood, the rest of the competition is div 2 standard or lower in the 18's, and the two top teams are as good as U23 div 1 teams, massive gap

Pug you are always sniping from that Sturt office aren't you?

Haven't seen anyone here saying he's a bad bloke or anything like that. But I cant see why a coach at this level would not expect criticism for their performance.

From my understnading, he has finished 8th, 10th, 5th and 9th in his 4 campains. With 3 of those being the 3 worst results in SA Metro history, last 20 years since the 14 team tournament happened anyway. The teams that finished 8th and 10th both did better in U18's and we will see over the next 2 years how these groups do.

Oh and Anon.

I would suggest that 6th and below are not performaing well, considering Forestville are equal with West and Norwood they would be performing equally well. But they both have easier games leading into finals and both have the split on Forestville, hence Forestville are really in 5th all things considered and need to beat both Sturt and West to make finals.

Which means they could very well finish 5th, after finishing 3rd at State Champs and winning summer. Not a good trend for a team.

If people are sniping at Paul there are numerous examples everywhere like that. Sturt U14 boys won summer and could not even qualify for nationals at the state champs notwithstanding the resources behind them including the coach.

Are we saying this defacto state U14 coach is no good as well?

Maybe kids being kids are inconsistent and things happen during the year!!

If people are sniping at Paul there are numerous examples everywhere like that. Sturt U14 boys won summer and could not even qualify for nationals at the state champs notwithstanding the resources behind them including the coach.

Are we saying this defacto state U14 coach is no good as well?

Maybe kids being kids are inconsistent and things happen during the year!!

Except that they are sitting 2nd in this season and will make finials and therefore have not conmtinued decreasing as the year has progressed. And could finish top.

Every team could have a bad tournament, losing 1 game is make or break. (They did make top 4) Especially in U14 boys where player movement and equal standard of competition is evident.

What is stated is a continued decline, as we are all accountable for our results. Along with the State performances shows a "reputation" and perhaps "opportunity" that dont necessarily match results.

So...not a bad win tonight for the eagles in under 18s! Must have been the coach!

Triton 48 I gather you are from Sturt, who do you play next week??

No south did forfeited .very sad .

because those kids would be stupid to stay at that club and play div 3 when they could play div 1 or 2 elsewhere.

playing div 2 gives them hope that one day maybe they can move up (false hope because we all know they have no chance).

And still is hasnt happened at u12/14 level because people play at a club more for the service they are provided, than for a spot in div 1/2.

Why go to a club where you lose every other week by 30 points, have bad coaching and have to travel for 30 minutes or mkore each way to get to train with people you dont know.

When you can stay where you are, play with your mates, win each week, get good coaching, take 10 minutes to get to trianing. When realistically you aren't going to be an ABA or above player???

R, no it wouldn't.

If that happened then the under 18 div1 comp would be boring...Sturt v Southern every week!!!!

And before you Eagles supporters get carried away...let's see what the result would be with a full strength team!

Why would that be the case?

If you had an 8 team comp in every grade, why would Sturt and Forestville have multiple teams???

And if it was the case, surely all the other clubs would start doing more in their juniors, instead of bringing the 'wo is me' line.

Get some good coaches, stop spending on ABA, employ a full time JDO, and get some work done.

Won't happen anon - it's easier to whine and drag others down to their level.

??? - you sound like a typical representative of the lazy clubs that drag down basketball in SA.

That doesn't happen in QldSth or Vic where qualification is open.

But hey, don't worry about working hard to improve your lot, keep sooking about the big bad clubs that put in the resources and work into their junior program rather than ABA...

And it would be good to see clubs like Western Magic have the oppurtunity to play in the correct grade according to thier abilities. If they prove to be better than Woodville (or Westies) in that area, reward them with the spot. Might make clubs more accountable to their members!

If BSA intend to have two clubs in Adelaide then they should certainly take on your suggestions.

IF BSA wants most of the current members to walk away from the game then they should take on your suggestions.

Some would suggest their current lack of action on anything proves thats exactly what they want.


??? is on the money.

#342 your lies about working hard or not putting resources into juniors are just that, lies.

Thank you for continuing the old stories from your club which you use to poach members from other clubs.

QldSth and Vic have completely different systems in place. To think you can take one part of their system and put it into place in the mess that is SA basketball and it will work is just naive.

Sad that so many believe the lies and stories.

^^^ Ummm confused much???

Anon you assume people want full time deadend jobs in basketball.

Name some high quality people who would leave their jobs to be a full time JCD.

People whom have full time jobs in basketball do it because they can't get decent jobs in the real world.

Anon,

Paul Arnott does not hold a JDO position. He is a competitions manager at BSA. He does not get to do what ever he wants with the comeptition. That is controlled by the CEO and commission.

A JDO is what some clubs, (Norwood, Forestville and Sturt) have. Over the last 10 years, these clubs have put resources into recruiting and developing juniors.

Clubs who do not put resources into this position are the ones who lose players. Then come on here and bemoan it, rather than looking at the reality of the situation and doing something about it. People move because they are unhappy, because they want to be given a good service and will move to those clubs that have a good service which inclides a full time JDO.

Some clubs do not want to do this, but want to whinge and moan abot their kids leaving and moving to those clubs that do the work. That is the reality of all markets.

No one is advocating a 3 team compeittion where all other clubs die. But rather a competition where all clubs are competitive. But without a full time JDO, a club will not be able to compete.

And not unlike in a welfare state, without competition or need for action, there is not reason to move resources into area's of need. Like a JDO for a club.

Should BSA help with funding to start these positions Yes!!! Because if more clubs had JDO's, it would means more kids playing basketball and less kids moving. And therefore the would make more money.

Should those clubs unwilling to even consider JDO's be given guarenteed div 1 spots? NO!!! Because then there is no incentive for them to transition to have a full time JDO and BSA cant help.

A JDO at all clubs means we should be able to moev towards domestic comeptitinos at all clubs like VIC and QLDS. And if you and your club are not interested in that then you will get swept under the rug as a meaningless and irrelevent club.

Choice is to get on the train and work to become stronger. Which will stop coaches and players from leaving. Or maon and whinge and fall into obscurity.

Your Choice ??? and anon 376344.

Thanks Paul. More lies.

Which Paul are you refering to?

Why are you always so bitter Meschke?

Nice try, close but no cigar.

Which part are lies???

That Paul Arnott is a Competitions manager not a JDO?

That all clubs should have a JDO and move towards domestic competition?

That market forces are not in play when parents decide to move clubs?

It's Meseche, Who else gets paid to be on the computer all day?

This forum needs to move to a new forum script, Kill of the ability to post without being somewhat registered and forced to stick with one username. Lot of hot air and fantasy farts on here