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Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

6.30am EST

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coffee please
Last year
16:01 7 Aug 16

Reply #593564

re: Opals game 2 thread

much change from the bronze medal game from the worlds ?


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Anonymous
Last year
17:03 7 Aug 16

Reply #593569

re: Opals game 2 thread

Should be a walkover. Turkey got smashed by Canada.


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Luuuc
Last year
22:02 7 Aug 16

Reply #593594

re: Opals game 2 thread

Yeah, I'm expecting a better effort too now that hopefully the first half of game 1 got the nerves out of our system.
Ideal result for me is a win in which Leilani, Erin, Penny & Liz play 20 minutes max.


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Luuuc
Last year
06:15 8 Aug 16

Reply #593611

re: Opals game 2 thread

^ Well, so much for that.

Another bad start by the Opals. Offence not producing good looks for us, and Liz with 2 early fouls.


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Anonymous
Last year
06:16 8 Aug 16

Reply #593612

re: Opals game 2 thread

Pitiful defence. Yilmaz having her way any way she wants it.


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Anonymous
Last year
06:25 8 Aug 16

Reply #593613

re: Opals game 2 thread

I'd be pleased if Penny Taylor showed up in the first half of a game at some point.


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Luuuc
Last year
06:28 8 Aug 16

Reply #593614

re: Opals game 2 thread

Teams are guarding her well, and for some reason her response is to rush her shots. That's not her game.
Things looking better with Lavey & Ebzery out there.


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Luuuc
Last year
06:39 8 Aug 16

Reply #593615

re: Opals game 2 thread

Opals offence running like a non-oiled machine :/

Trailing 26-29 at the half. Katie Rae now with 3 PFs unfortunately.


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paul
Last year
06:42 8 Aug 16

Reply #593616

re: Opals game 2 thread

Why did it take until the last minute of the first half for one of our guards to go under the high screen?

They've shot two triples for the entire half yet we're getting consistently beaten on roll-outs and penetration. FFS.

Providing we pull our fingers out and get a win, this game will have done us a big favour showing how much work we need on zone offence (which to this point has consisted of shooting triples).

Again though, it's the intensity on the defensive end that produces the offence, and so far we've just be far too reactive, which is suicide against European offences.


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paul
Last year
06:47 8 Aug 16

Reply #593618

re: Opals game 2 thread

Oh yeah, and the reffing! Bloody hell, did these three just come from a U12s game and decide to call it the same way? Frustrating.


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Luuuc
Last year
07:00 8 Aug 16

Reply #593619

re: Opals game 2 thread

Can't blame the refs for this garbage we're dishing up. My goodness.


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coffee please
Last year
07:00 8 Aug 16

Reply #593620

re: Opals game 2 thread

turkey finished 4th at worlds - every game will be tough. IMO refs need to let game flow more - calling the scragging foul once ball has moved on. Slow ball suits Turkey.


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coffee please
Last year
07:04 8 Aug 16

Reply #593621

re: Opals game 2 thread

Our help defence seems missing sometimes ? This game turkey packing it in with slow ball - need the treys / mid ranges


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Luuuc
Last year
07:04 8 Aug 16

Reply #593622

re: Opals game 2 thread

You're right - it does - but so much of the stagnation is our own fault. The offense looks directionless when plan A "focus everything on Cambage" doesn't pan out.


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Luuuc
Last year
07:07 8 Aug 16

Reply #593623

re: Opals game 2 thread

Ebzery again giving us some attack mode. She's been good.


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coffee please
Last year
07:10 8 Aug 16

Reply #593624

re: Opals game 2 thread

little off topic - how great was that shooting gold for Catherine Skinner from country Victoria in her rookie games ! and our Rugby 7s - men and women !


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Luuuc
Last year
07:15 8 Aug 16

Reply #593625

re: Opals game 2 thread

43-41 lead at 3Q time in this goalfest


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getonboard
Last year
07:16 8 Aug 16

Reply #593626

re: Opals game 2 thread

refs are reffing both teams the same, but the style of game it is creating suits Turkey.

Turkey also getting good penetration off both the dribble and pass.


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Anonymous
Last year
07:18 8 Aug 16

Reply #593627

re: Opals game 2 thread

What 7 channel is it on can't find it on Foxtel


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coffee please
Last year
07:20 8 Aug 16

Reply #593628

re: Opals game 2 thread

no way known that was a foul on Liz on the defensive elbow - she was just standing there and the Turkish player throwing herself around and at Liz.


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Luuuc
Last year
07:21 8 Aug 16

Reply #593629

re: Opals game 2 thread

Ouch. 4th "foul" for Liz. That hurts. She was just getting rolling too.


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coffee please
Last year
07:21 8 Aug 16

Reply #593630

re: Opals game 2 thread

7 two


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coffee please
Last year
07:21 8 Aug 16

Reply #593631

re: Opals game 2 thread

we have had nearly the full game to view today on 7 two


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coffee please
Last year
07:23 8 Aug 16

Reply #593632

re: Opals game 2 thread

Turkey has played smart ball focussed after calls - little emotion and interpreted umpiring better to their advantage.


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Luuuc
Last year
07:26 8 Aug 16

Reply #593633

re: Opals game 2 thread

2 good minutes now should do it.

Go to work, Penny.


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Luuuc
Last year
07:29 8 Aug 16

Reply #593634

re: Opals game 2 thread

... or, 2 bad minutes could
:/

Why are we rushing suddenly?


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coffee please
Last year
07:33 8 Aug 16

Reply #593635

re: Opals game 2 thread

our talls drawn into too many off the ball, away from action push and shoves. And the calls follow....


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Anonymous
Last year
07:35 8 Aug 16

Reply #593636

re: Opals game 2 thread

Dam lucky to get away with that win


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Luuuc
Last year
07:35 8 Aug 16

Reply #593637

re: Opals game 2 thread

Ummm... WTF Turkey?
LOL

Opals win by 5


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Anonymous
Last year
07:39 8 Aug 16

Reply #593638

re: Opals game 2 thread

Playing like this won't get us anywhere against any teams who advance from Group B.


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paul
Last year
07:39 8 Aug 16

Reply #593639

re: Opals game 2 thread

"Can't blame the refs for this garbage we're dishing up. My goodness."

Who was blaming the refs for our performance? It was the same for both teams, but Jesus I hope that's not the way the women's tournament is going to be called. So stop start, it was painful.


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Luuuc
Last year
07:43 8 Aug 16

Reply #593640

re: Opals game 2 thread

It certainly was painful.
But we did not handle it well at all. I was hoping game 1 got the kinks out for us but it wasn't the case at all. We looked even worse today IMO.


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Andy
Last year
07:45 8 Aug 16

Reply #593641

re: Opals game 2 thread

What can Burton do that Hodges cant? Its just ridiculous that Burton gets so many minutes, its ridiculous she is there at all.


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Anonymous
Last year
07:46 8 Aug 16

Reply #593642

re: Opals game 2 thread

Joyce must know by now that bringing burton and hodges wasn't the best call.
Batkovic would have helped out a bunch. Penaluna would have been my other big choice.


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Anonymous
Last year
07:51 8 Aug 16

Reply #593643

re: Opals game 2 thread

Jarry 5 mins
Talbot 2 mins
Hodges 2 mins
George 10 mins

Burton 25 mins (more than the other above)


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Anonymous
Last year
07:54 8 Aug 16

Reply #593644

re: Opals game 2 thread

Penaluna is an injury waiting to happen unfortunately , poor girl has had one after the other she's too much of a liability at this level. But batkovic certainly would have been a much better option


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Anonymous
Last year
07:57 8 Aug 16

Reply #593645

re: Opals game 2 thread

We need Batkovic. We need a body who can bang and hold her ground. Who cares if she can't run the fast break at any speed approaching fast - there's no fast break when you can't grab the bloody ball. Sanders has about as much weight on her as a toddler and she was having her way with every big not named Lizzie.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:00 8 Aug 16

Reply #593646

re: Opals game 2 thread

i still would like us to go small with maybe jarry or Talbot at the 4.


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getonboard
Last year
08:02 8 Aug 16

Reply #593647

re: Opals game 2 thread

i too was disappointed the Bat Girl missed out, but that is in the past. For F@#$ sake MOVE ON!!!! Our team is playing , and doing their best. 2 from 2 and not playing at their potential is still a good start. A lot of other teams would like a similar start.

Winning games early whilst not playing your best to me is a good sign of things to come.


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WTF !!
Last year
08:04 8 Aug 16

Reply #593648

re: Opals game 2 thread

OPALS thrash Turkey !!!

61 vs 56.

USA coach Geno Auriemma was quoted as saying they don't have any idea how to handle Burton and just hope that she gets worn out from having to carry the Australian team by the time the medal round arrives.

Geno was quoted as saying "Australia's game against the Turkey powerhouse has given us many things to think about, we know something is happening out there because Australia is winning, but we haven't exactly worked out what it is yet or how to stop it"

meanwhile in WNBA news Seattle is urgently attempting to sign Lavey as a replacement for Sue bird - a spoke person saying " Sue has had her day, and from what we have seen so far, Australia is Tess's team, without her they really struggle, having to use a WNBA bench player Brendan tells us that basically, because Tess has just dominated Australia's PGs so much most have left for netball and he had to take Mitchell just to make up the numbers."

BA advises that on the outstanding progress of the Opals so far, they have offered both the boomers and opals coaching roles as lifetime appointments to an unnamed coach , whose verbal response was unprintable but apparently very positive.


On a serious note, our players are very very talented and dedicated, they do deserve better leadership than this. They are all busting a gut but seem stuck in a playbook that has answers only for questions that haven't been asked yet.

I mean turkey hit 4/12 3 point shots in their game against france, why the focus on fighting over the screen ?

Lets hope the players can overcome it all and get at least silver.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:06 8 Aug 16

Reply #593649

re: Opals game 2 thread

Opals would be either the third or fourth best team if they were in the other group:

US
Spain
Serbia/Australia


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Luuuc
Last year
08:09 8 Aug 16

Reply #593650

re: Opals game 2 thread

I don't think there's much point in getting caught up in selection arguments anymore.
Joyce picked a team to suit his game style (which seems to fly in the face of his decision to leave Bec Allen at home, but I digress...)
Now he needs to go back to the drawing board to figure out how to stop his game style from being shut down at the first hint of resistance.


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Andy
Last year
08:14 8 Aug 16

Reply #593651

re: Opals game 2 thread

As much as I like Suzi I think you would have to drop Cayla, Liz or Tolo to fit her in.
I would have taken Griffin over Burton and Ohea over Talbot. That would give us more scoring power. When Liz is sitting there is too much pressure on Taylor to score, if she has a quiet game like tonight we struggle.
Mitchell continues to impress.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:20 8 Aug 16

Reply #593652

re: Opals game 2 thread

Liz and Penny's games don't seem to work well together. Liz is best using the entire lane to get into her game. Penny is at her best when she has a lane to drive and draw contact. There's not enough room or space for both to get going at once because Liz isn't that great at clearing out the post on the drive. We'll live or die by Liz.


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Luuuc
Last year
08:32 8 Aug 16

Reply #593654

re: Opals game 2 thread

Can't have both Mitchell and Griffin though, Andy, otherwise I'm sure Kelsey would have been there because a quality mobile 4 is a glaring weakness.
But Leilani is too important, so taking her was the right call IMO.

Interesting call about Penny & Liz and I think you have a point there. Penny's game has never been jacking up threes so that was a worry to see today. She's also not a go-to type player, so handing her the ball and standing around watching is not a good plan either. Her strength is reading the floor and finding the weaknesses. She should be able to be very effective when Liz is the focus of the D, but Liz is not a good passer out of the post. But the quicker the game, the better Penny will play. The painful grind-it-out, execute-nothing style does not suit her ... nor anyone else on the team other than Cambage who can be effective in any situation.
Erin & Leilani are the same. Neither is going to kill you with skills or athleticism, but both are smart & unselfish and need to be involved in a lot of movement & touches.


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Andy
Last year
08:39 8 Aug 16

Reply #593656

re: Opals game 2 thread

Luuuc, What do you mean cant have both Griffin & Mitchell? Griffin is Australia's most versatile player, I have seen her play the 2, 3 and 4 at the highest level.


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Luuuc
Last year
08:45 8 Aug 16

Reply #593657

re: Opals game 2 thread

Firstly, there is no way in hell she plays the 2! What the?

But anyway what I meant is that we're only allowed one naturalised player in international basketball, so it's Leilani or Kelsey. Can't have both.


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JK
Last year
08:47 8 Aug 16

Reply #593658

re: Opals game 2 thread

You can only have one naturalized player. Both Griffin an Mitchell are naturalized.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:52 8 Aug 16

Reply #593660

re: Opals game 2 thread

Penny can read the floor and find weaknesses all she wants, but it won't matter because reacting on that read is dependent on cuts from the perimeter wing to the basket, something Choco's game plan doesn't involve.


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Anonymous
Last year
09:12 8 Aug 16

Reply #593661

re: Opals game 2 thread

Burtons stats say it all really, I know stats don't tell you everything, but she didn't get one single rebound, and next to Philipps she had the lowest efficiency rate at a -2
Running more minutes than 3 players put together who had better stats....
Come on Joyce wake up!!!!!


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Anonymous
Last year
09:22 8 Aug 16

Reply #593662

re: Opals game 2 thread

OPALS thrash Turkey !!!

61 vs 56.

USA coach Geno Auriemma was quoted as saying they don't have any idea how to handle Burton and just hope that she gets worn out from having to carry the Australian team by the time the medal round arrives.

Geno was quoted as saying "Australia's game against the Turkey powerhouse has given us many things to think about, we know something is happening out there because Australia is winning, but we haven't exactly worked out what it is yet or how to stop it"

meanwhile in WNBA news Seattle is urgently attempting to sign Lavey as a replacement for Sue bird - a spoke person saying " Sue has had her day, and from what we have seen so far, Australia is Tess's team, without her they really struggle, having to use a WNBA bench player Brendan tells us that basically, because Tess has just dominated Australia's PGs so much most have left for netball and he had to take Mitchell just to make up the numbers."

BA advises that on the outstanding progress of the Opals so far, they have offered both the boomers and opals coaching roles as lifetime appointments to an unnamed coach , whose verbal response was unprintable but apparently very positive.



WTF.....LMAO ..... best post for a while could be Joyce's PA with write ups like that


I would love to see the girls get a gold or silver, but honestly if they do Australia will probably have to wear Joyce for another four years.... Not sure what's a worse senario loosing or winning.

If they do win it won't be through his coaching, I bet Taylor has a huge input as on floor coach, she won't want to loose






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getonboard
Last year
10:38 8 Aug 16

Reply #593680

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

quote from anon above "I would love to see the girls get a gold or silver, but honestly if they do Australia will probably have to wear Joyce for another four years.... Not sure what's a worse senario loosing or winning"

The Opals have never won gold at the olympics despite having some great teams and also coaches in the past.

You are letting your personal opinion of Joyce cloud your brain. IF they win gold, surely Joyce has proven the critics wrong and should continue coaching the team.

In his career as a player and coach, he had good results, but let himself down by trying to promote SOJ above his ability. He is not and will not be the last parent to fall into this trap. SOJ aside, I would rate his career.


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LC
Last year
10:43 8 Aug 16

Reply #593682

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

It wasn't pretty, but the Opals got the job done.

In a performance that was unconvincing of their number-two ranked status, Australia were composed late and defeated Turkey, 61-56, to go 2-0 to begin the Games.

Recap: Sloppy Opals survive Turkish scare


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Anonymous
Last year
10:46 8 Aug 16

Reply #593683

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

^ you omitted this part of the post

"If they do win it won't be through his coaching, I bet Taylor has a huge input as on floor coach, she won't want to loose "

IMO I'll stick to this thanks,


Joyce has NOT has a successful career at international level, he was "second assistant coach" for boomers ....... And his penchant for picking a personal fav be it son or otherwise is well known and he will run them to the detriment of the team.



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getonboard
Last year
10:58 8 Aug 16

Reply #593684

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I never mentioned his international coaching career. I thought this was his 1st time in charge. As an assistant your input is "minimal"in team selection etc.

Your "If they do win it won't be through his coaching," is stupid. You are saying no credit for winning, but all blame for losing. You cannot have it both ways.

You are letting a personal dislike for Joyce cloud your limited ability to look clearly at issues!


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Duke Fan
Last year
13:38 8 Aug 16

Reply #593710

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I think there was a lot of emotional petrol used overcoming the home team and their crowd in game 1. Not surprised to see them have a let down in this game and Turkey are no slouches. Team didn't play well, but still got the W. 2-0 is the only stat that matters


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Luuuc
Last year
13:46 8 Aug 16

Reply #593712

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Cambage clearly has an elite emotional petrol tank


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Bear
Last year
15:14 8 Aug 16

Reply #593724

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Well, the Opals won and continue through to their next tough assignment, good for them and well done to everyone involved in the team, coaches, assistants and players!

It is plainly obvious that oppositions will and have already scouted us, look at how they draw fouls on Liz, just because she is bigger than almost everyone else on the court doesn't mean she is fouling them.

My concern is that officials will get suckered into calling flops and straight up incidental contact where Liz's opponents throw themselves around like the Turks did a couple of times and she gets into early foul trouble.

Otherwise, I think she is doing great and showing genuine signs that she wants this...


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Anonymous
Last year
15:32 8 Aug 16

Reply #593725

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Our starting 4 really to lift there game.


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Wilson Sting
Last year
15:57 8 Aug 16

Reply #593729

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Cambeige needs to get smarter and not put herself into situations that draw fouls when she's in foul trouble.

I thought the refereeing was great. It was stop start but to me that is less annoying then watching travels and fouls let go for the sake of a free flowing game.


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getonboard
Last year
15:58 8 Aug 16

Reply #593730

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

well said Bear


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Luuuc
Last year
16:58 8 Aug 16

Reply #593741

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I think Cambage has done a great job so far, in terms of the balance between staying aggressive enough to be an intimidating defender, and keeping herself away from foul trouble. Still not perfect by any means, but in the past that area has been a major issue for her and she is noticeably better now.
She still cops bad calls, like her 4th this morning, and needs to learn not to lose it over those. That's something her coach and teammates should be helping out with as well.
Her play really is the very least of our problems though. Without Liz we are 0-2.

So to modify anon's post above, I think it's really just 3 of our starting 4 that need to lift their games. It's great that our bench has been chipping in with some valuable contributions. That needs to continue, and preferably improve too. But our starting 4 is legit WNBA-calibre, and should be converting that ability into better starts.


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Anonymous
Last year
18:03 8 Aug 16

Reply #593747

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I'm surprised (shocked) at how mediocre the squad is. For all of the talk about athleticism and length from Joyce there is very little on display. Penny is now a warrior and much to admire in her efforts. Cambage has moments, but was exposed for her slow feet and lack of agility by the Turks - she was a flat out liability in the first half. You know she will let us down when she needs to stand up.

Tolo's lack of preparation is showing. I think Bec Allen's non selection is the biggest omission. Just someone with some athletic ability and inspiration please.

George, Burton, end the other plodders - wow.


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coffee please
Last year
18:23 8 Aug 16

Reply #593752

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Bear IMO the call that I could not understand was Liz's 4th - if anyone can explain what she did wrong I would appreciate it. From what I saw Liz was standing still on the defensive elbow and holding her ground against a player that was pushing into her that appeared to ease off then try to push through her not around Liz bringing them both to ground.


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coffee please
Last year
18:26 8 Aug 16

Reply #593755

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I also reckon we can expect zones against us from now - after Turkey's great D.


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getonboard
Last year
19:36 8 Aug 16

Reply #593765

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

coffeepls, both were pushing/holding.

ref could have made no call, or foul either depending on his view angle.


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Anonymous
Last year
20:01 8 Aug 16

Reply #593769

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I think we all need to step back and congratulate Brendan Joyce for how well Natalie Burton has been playing and contributing.

Lets hope in game 3 after 33 plus minutes Natalie does us all a surprise and grabs her first rebound of the tournament.

Great choice Brendan, 33+ minutes a starter and hasn't grabbed one rebound all tournament. I suppose 2 points and 5 turnovers makes up for zero boards.

I hope Suzy Batkovic laughs at you when she sees you next she can stand behind the rest of Australia.

Way to embarrass yourself.


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Manoftheworld
Last year
20:55 8 Aug 16

Reply #593772

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

What a sarcastic comment Anonymous. Just like a spoilt brat who needs his arse kicked.


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paul
Last year
21:01 8 Aug 16

Reply #593773

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I thought Joyce coached very well against Brazil, but he was poor against Turkey.

He made a good adjustment sitting Burton and Hodges in the first game because the Brazilian bigs were too strong for them, but then he went with George and Tolo at PF today against quicker opponents and those two and Cambage got abused in ball screen situations.

With the way they were defending they needed Hodges sharing the minutes at PF. If they were going with the bigger line-up they needed to defend differently and force the Turks to hit triples. They shot 29% at last year's Eurobasket and 32% at the 2014 WC.

There obviously could be factors we don't know about (like not wanting to give away how they'll protect Cambage defensively until later in the tournament) but from the outside it looks like poor game-planning.

Still, Turkey are a decent team, they had a good plan, executed it well, Penny and Erin struggled and the Opals still won. That's a good sign as long as they learn from this game re D, zone offence etc.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:04 8 Aug 16

Reply #593774

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I agree with the other anon.
It's absolutely mind boggling she's there ahead of several others who have been in an around the program for 5+ years.

I'm not judging her character...
Her basketball skills..


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Anonymous
Last year
21:09 8 Aug 16

Reply #593775

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I would like to see George with cambage up front followed by hodges and tolo.
Maybe even put ebzery in as a starter instead of Phillips.


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Manoftheworld
Last year
21:11 8 Aug 16

Reply #593777

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

You are certainly judging Joyce's character. I'm not a great fan of his coaching style but it's his job, his team and up until now he is winning. Suzi is a good player but she ain't the messiah and she is owed nothing. Yes Burton did nothing today but neither did Taylor or Phillips. Cambage proved she has a temper tantrum when she doesn't get it her way, I don't think I have ever seen her dish a pass back out for an outside shot even when she is under real pressure.


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Manoftheworld
Last year
21:13 8 Aug 16

Reply #593778

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I'd like to see Mitchell and Lavey together for some real fast defence pressure.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:19 8 Aug 16

Reply #593779

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Mitchell is a poor defender unfortunately.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:42 8 Aug 16

Reply #593781

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

'She had a bad game today'

When did she ever have a good game?


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paul
Last year
22:09 8 Aug 16

Reply #593782

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Going with Tolo and George at PF is fine, but they have to change the way they defend against mobile frontcourts with a bigger line-up.

With either of those two at the 4-spot in the second half the Opals got exploited by Turkey's quicker bigs, especially in ball-screen situations.

It's either got to be aggressive D with Burton or Hodges at PF or containment with Tolo or George.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:16 8 Aug 16

Reply #593784

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Big opening for an agile stretch 4.


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paul
Last year
22:22 8 Aug 16

Reply #593785

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Massive. It's important to have that mobile defensive PF to play the style that best suits Australian teams, but both the men's and women's team don't really have that player at a high level.

Lemanis has effectively gone without, changing his disruptive style to suit bigger PFs. Joyce has gone with that sort of player even though she has little to no offensive ability.

Of course, the good news is both Simmons and Magbegor can potentially give us some real star power in that spot.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:48 8 Aug 16

Reply #593788

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Haha, neither of them can or do, or will be able to play that spot.


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paul
Last year
22:52 8 Aug 16

Reply #593792

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Simmons will be an international PF, just as James, Durant and Anthony are for the US. With Magbegor we will see, will be a change for her, but she has amazing mobility and body control for a girl her size.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:26 8 Aug 16

Reply #593796

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

^let these "kids" grow up before making such predictions, too many years ahead before they would be looking at this level,


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paul
Last year
23:29 8 Aug 16

Reply #593798

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Not for Simmons, considering he'll probably be starting in the NBA next year. Ezi has a bit further to go but she'll be fastracked into the Opals you would think.


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Anonymous
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23:39 8 Aug 16

Reply #593799

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Thought you were talking about Simmons the female player seeing as this is an opals thread, so apologies yes Simmons definitely, but not as power forward, he runs as a guard


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paul
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23:42 8 Aug 16

Reply #593800

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

No probs. Will be interesting to see. I think he'll be used as the US use LeBron, but he can swing through quite a few spots depending on match-ups.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:49 8 Aug 16

Reply #593805

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

"I would like to see George with cambage up front followed by hodges and tolo."

Why? So that there is no post defence rather than just a little bit of it every once in awhile? This is saying is a lot: George might be the absolute worst post defender I've ever seen in Opals uniform.

No defence and jacked up 4 3s. Exactly what you want from your PF.


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Anonymous
Last year
00:04 9 Aug 16

Reply #593807

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Penny Taylor hasn't had a good first half for the Opals since Istanbul. It was this way during the exhibition games too. It'd be helpful if she could get it going (understatement).


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Anonymous
Last year
01:44 9 Aug 16

Reply #593814

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Fast tracking magbegor sound good to me. Maybe one of froling or smith also at PF.
I'm thinking Wallace will make the next olympics too as a cg.


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Anonymous
Last year
02:30 9 Aug 16

Reply #593816

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Early days...
In contention 2020? (Y.o)

PG
5'7 Lavey 27
5'7 Mansfield 30
5'10 Cole 28
5'10 Wehrung 24
5'11 Madgen 30
SG
5'9 Tupaea 23
5'10 Garrick 28
5'10 Ebzery 30
5'10 Cumming 30
5'10 Seekamp 28
5'11 Wallace 24
SF
6'1 Horvat 22
6'1 Sharp 23
6'1 Jarry 28
6'1 Allen 28
6'1 Talbot 26
6'2 Kunek 29
6'2 Blicavs 27
PF
6'3 Froling 24
6'4 Smith 24
6'4 Magbegor 21
6'4 Burton 31
6'5 Mijovic 26
C
6'4 George 31
6'5 Scherf 24
6'5 Bunton 27
6'5 Tolo 31
6'8 Cambage 28

Not sure theres many others showing opal potential at this stage IMO.
Might have missed a few though...
You can see we are severely lacking in depth and experience at the pf spot.


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Anonymous
Last year
05:46 9 Aug 16

Reply #593900

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Stop with the clueless lists


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Anonymous
Last year
08:24 9 Aug 16

Reply #593923

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

^ couldn't agree more, whoever it is posting this dam list, as has been proven by the choices made by Joyce..... Lots can and do come out of the woodworks at selection time,


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Anonymous
Last year
08:43 9 Aug 16

Reply #593928

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

How can anyone judge Joyce's character? A few things to remember;

1) His Assistant got the gig for selecting his son when coaching the kings.
2) He refused to work with Jenna O'Hea
3) He made a deal about Abbey Bishop to fast track his Nat Burton fascination.
4) His group have had cultural issues since his appointment. (Cambage missing camps, Kunek vs Cambage... the list goes on)
5) Dragged out the Susy Batkovic decision and took Laura Hodges as a big instead?)
6) Has clearly provided a red carpet ride for Nat Burton who has embarrassed Joyce and herself.

If the team doesn't win Silver the Opals coaches all need a review and hand shake.


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Anonymous
Last year
08:49 9 Aug 16

Reply #593931

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Could be one of those situations where it is best not to win a medal and that will force BAs hand. What were they thinking hiring such a questionable coach in the first place


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Manoftheworld
Last year
11:11 9 Aug 16

Reply #593979

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Anonymous, nice comments, pity they are all here say and circumstantial. You can't provide proof af any of that. As for the Cambage/Kunik affair, the coach can't be responsible for that happening. Cambage made her own decision (and a poor one) to attend the music festival and was punished for it. If you hard going to post, make it factual.


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Luuuc
Last year
11:22 9 Aug 16

Reply #593984

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

Yeah, it's getting pretty silly


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Anonymous
Last year
12:58 9 Aug 16

Reply #594009

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

I think anonymous is probably not far from the mark
1-true
2 - think it was a mutual decision lol
3- certainly makes sense
4- well can't blame him for lizziys issues
5- absolutely true and disgraceful
6- no one can dispute that


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Luuuc
Last year
13:26 9 Aug 16

Reply #594016

re: Opals Game 2: Australia vs Turkey

In which parallel universe was Hodges the replacement for Batkovic?

I thought Hodges was a lock the moment Burton was selected and Allen was cut.
Batkovic was a result of having too many worthy, but slow, bigs (Cambage, Tolo, George, Batkovic, Burton) in the squad and needing to lose one for balance. Tolo was touch-and-go after coming off a major injury so it was wise IMO to leave it until as late as possible before committing to her. Once that was done it needed to be either George or Batkovic that was left out. I probably would have gone with Suzy personally, seeing how little Cayla's defence has improved since it was badly exposed in the WNBA last year, but I also think that leaning Cayla's way is understandable given her ability to catch and shoot from the perimeter, and she did also lead the WNBL in rebounding this past season, 3+ rpg ahead of Suzy.

Laura's experience and versatility proved very valuable in the Oceania qualifiers and I'm pretty sure that would have stuck in Joyce's mind. She's also the closest thing we have to a true 4. I'm actually a little surprised she hasn't been tried more in the first 2 games. She used to have a very reliable medium range J.


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