Given they have both played for the Boomers you would expect that.

Good coach Brereton, has high basketball iq. Him stewie would have been great for the Jacks. Total waste tasie talent.

Who is persistent? Might finally get a team into the top 10. He hasn't ever done that yet.

You are right, Brereton is a fine coach though.

Brereton has never taken any Tassie side afaik into the top 10 previously.

Be very interesting to see how crossovers shake out. Nothing separating the top 3 in Pool A. Absolutely amazing what the year off has done to the Vics. From 30-point grand final winners right back to the pack, and Vic Country from a silver medal to (probably) out of the top 8. Makes it the most wide-open tournament in ages.

Kayo Freebies - you can watch without an account - or just sign up for a month free and you can watch all the games on court 1.

Scout. If you kiss enough frogs you might find a prince.

#503 and if you talk enough bullshit people might believe you.

That's inciteful.

Big contributors Missing from u16 side are

Pierre
Amum

Also missing

Foxwell


Where are these guys?

There's always chat that so and so got left out or there are better players left behind, especially for the Vics. Usually they win anyway, that's why this year is interesting.

No Scout. Brereton has been to many championships and perhaps with the talent he has this time they may make the top 10.

Yes you need talent as you say, but Brereton is a good coach, did he beat you to the job or did your son miss out, let it go.

So Tassie only have to beat NSW country to make the medal rounds fro here?

It would be a huge achievement, certainly not there yet though.

Further proof Radford is the best high performance manager going around.

#552 you're forgetting that Tas plays Nationals against SA Country not SA. Safe to say the population of all of Tasmania is larger than Country SA given the overwhelming majority of South Aussies live in the Metro area.

Still a great result and high praise for Radford is warranted.

588 Tasmania played and defeated SA Metro you Pinhead

Cool but that's not what the comment said was it. SA and Vic. Just pointing out Tas isn't playing against SA or Vic.

Clearly agreed Radford derserved credit for the result. Given SA has Butler who failed in this role already SA basketball has an issue of their own.

Brereton knows more than Radford already, not certain he deserves credit.

Tasmania missed out on the top 8 with a 2-3 record they would see that as a fail I'm thinking .

Considering Brereton suggested top 8, yes.

Tassie haven't made the top 8, a lot of posts above getting too worked up about one good win. The final finish will be pretty standard, and posts are even stranger when you consider that last u18 Nationals, the Tassie boys finished 4th. If your point is that this group has come together better than expected and played well, that's great. They can do well for who they are as a group without being better than other teams here or at previous events.

The group that's outperformed their talent pool here is the ACT boys, with the very narrow losses to Vic Metro and NSW Metro even more impressive than the top-8 finish.

Tas still trying to justify changes they had to have. If this group was going to perform well Radford would have been coach.
Just like he is coaching under 20s.

Well once Radford is allegedly appointed to the Jack Jumpers it will be all theoretical I guess.

Tasmania 541k

Adelaide 1.376m

SA Country 396k

Tas average age 42, SA 40.

WA Country 531k

ACT 431k

Population isn't the only challenge in getting a good team on the floor. NSW lag behind the Vics because of the ridiculously high Vic participation rate. Metro sides and ACT are generally at an advantage compared to Country sides, NT, and Qld North because it's much easier to train together in preparation.

This is why it's generally pointless to laud a team's effort in overcoming a single disadvantage. You don't know which team lost a key starter 3 weeks out and had to bring a reserve, which teams have colds, which kid is playing through injury or any of that. Just be happy for them that they're there and learning useful stuff.

Wow. Imagine if Tasmania lose to WA country now. Last.

Population in one factor, participation another. But neither produce elite basketballers on their own.

A good culture, professional staff and peak body, proactive and positive clubs/associations, facilities fit for need, competition structure that balances elite, participation and burnout, high quality coaching, high quality refereeing, high quality high performance programs as well as programs accessible to all irrespective of sex, race, sexual preference or socio-econimic status.

It's complex.

Anyone have a link to the U20 SA teams?

WA Metro doing a number on Vic Metro. WA Met taking both Vic teams throughout the week.

Vic men teams have just been terrible.

No Vic Mens medal
picking favourites
coaches and players
not picking the best
does that to a state.
hahaha

More shows that the Vic metro machine is largely based on their weekly tough league. Take that away and this is what you have.

Vic Metro team has finally realised that the old school method of drive heavy and relying on your athletic prowess doesn't work in the new era of spacing and shooting 3s. The other states are just coached better and with better game plans and adjustments.

WA beat Vic country with 5/27 18% for 3s and Vic Metro with 3/25 12% for 3s so not sure spacing and shooting 3s beat them!!

They didn't shoot well sure, but the fact they were taking them made Vic M close out that little bit harder, opening up the penetration for WA M, leading to dump passes for the bigs or forcing those extra rotations.

Space and shooting 3s has more benefits then just making more threes.
Let’s also mention that 13 of Vic M three points attempts came in the last 5 minutes of the game. 35 minutes before that it was a low post game with heavy driving into traffic.

And another trade off of WA m shooting more 3s, more longer rebounds which suited their athletic guards really well.

good tactic, never thought to miss more 3s so you have a better change of getting long rebounds!

Really missing the point there #803.

Vics usually so dominant, I'm sure many will take the chance to gloat, but attributing their results this week to anything other than the devastating impact of lockdowns last year is a cheap shot. I'm not Victorian, but this is a blip. Every criticism - their style of play is outdated, the coach played favourites with kids from his club, etc. - is one that you could make every year, and they still win like 90% of gold medals.

And simply attributing Vic's poor performance to lockdowns is making excuses.
They win 90% of the gold medals because they have the overwhelming talent advantage and much more depth, without question.
But the trend over the last few years hasn’t been a good one for Victoria. It’s not just this year, they’ve dropped a few gold medals in the last few years and the interstate clubs dominated the top half of club nationals at 14s.

SA Country boys to finish bottom

Sixers you're a fool. One year. Their huge size has actually now become a weakness. With the talent spread so thin they're forced to run a 20 team VC. Since that decision their state teams have suffered.

Jealousy is an ugly thing mate.

2015, #819. Glory age group for NSW with sensational Illawarra and Hills sides forming the core of excellent Country and Metro teams, respectively.

Who's going to win it this year? WA Metro seem in good form but ACT's second half made Qld South look like they were playing in the wrong age group. NSW Metro undefeated so far, but Qld North got a head start on recovery and the pool game was a nail-biter.

Participation rates are the enemy of Elite down here.

Too many bean counters who want the same opportunities for all.

It waters down competition.

Iron sharpens Iron = Kids get better playing and training with and against the best kids.

Chuck would be rolling in his grave.

#826, question was medal, not championship. Vic Met took bronze in '18.

2006 the Vics played off for 5th and 6th

Anthony Stewart would have done much better with that TAS team

Vic Metro finished 4th in Ballarat in 2015.

^^^^^
Impossible to have that finishing order considering NSW Met play Qld North in a semi final today.

Heads at BV Basketball Operations should roll.

First one to go should be Grant Wallace. The fish rots at the head. Forget the COVID impact. BV has a rich history and one that should demand excellence. All coach selections and athletes are signed off by Grant. He failed in his job therefore should be shown the door.

Next on the list should be all 4 BV High Performance Coaches. New idea's and game styles needed. All of them are struck in the early 2000's.

An embarrassment when you consider all of the government money they had and establishing well paid part time HUB roles.

All for what?

870, you're a fool. Grant does a good job. Vic Metro Girls undefeated and Vic Country Girls playing for a medal. I have a kid in the HP program (not in one of the State Teams) and those 4 HP coaches are exceptional people, ang great modern innovative coaches. Remember they've really only been in their jobs for 1yr. The Coaches selected what they thought would do the job. They got it wrong.

I would however suggest that club coaches coaching in that age group are not eligible to coach a state team.

Very humorous to see people to calling for people to lose their job over placings at a 15/16 year olds basketball tournament.

If the kids weren't cared for or developed to move on to the next level (senior basketball) I may get on board the idea but seriously over the results of one Nationals come on.

Would love to see how many of the warriors on here would fare if we got to scrutinise and see results from your job!

875 I don't reckon too many of them have jobs....

Hey Sixers
You're pretty quiet now
Vic Metro just sat SA Metro boys on their asses
9months of no basketball and you still can’t beat them
Now run along and wipe the egg off your stupid face.

Amazing result for the ACT boys. No question Toohey is the best prospect in that team but he's had plenty of support. A group that could have torn itself apart with ego gets a well-deserved reward for figuring out how to lift each other up.

105, as much as Sixers gets on this forum and makes a fool of himself on a regular basis, this time it's you who looks kind of stupid.

Vic Metro just finished fifth and you're here talking it up because they beat SAM on the last day? Wow.

SA basketball stopped for couple of weeks
Victoria basketball stopped for nearly a year
But you're right, even with a terrible preparation Victoria will still see 5th as a major failure.
That mindset is what sets them apart from the rest of the country.

You're one strange individual.
I'm sure your points sound better in your head than when we have to read them.

Anyway, congratulations on the amazing 5th place achievement. Enjoy your celebrations.

Hahah! Vic Metro finishing 5th despite the most talented talent pool by far, and someone still talks down a team they beat. Maybe if they stopped being so arrogant and actually coached their athletes and caught up with the modern game style they might see some success again.

I predict another stuff up at 16s.

Wa metro u18 level on the mens side pretty strong it seems last few years.