Isaac
Years ago

Grand Final Game 2: Perth vs NZ, April 12

Game two is tonight at 7:30, Perth time. Wildcats are favourites with bookies despite an average effort in the first game. A win tonight by the home team would send the series to a rightful third game and an excellent total crowd count.

14,000 are expected tonight which would have to be one of the best in a long time?

If you're on the East coast, you can watch it live on One HD at 9:30pm. In SA/NT, it's also at 9:30pm, but delayed 30 minutes. Stay off social media to avoid spoilers, if that matters to you.

For our NZ contributors, live on Sky Sport at 11:30pm your time.

Should be epic. Perth have it all on the line now. Can they win it to force the decider or will NZ sweep them?

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Pikachu  
Years ago

Breakers by 5

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Camel 31  
Years ago

Well I'll be damned , Ten/One ADL don't advertise Basketball very much , but pretty good to be able to watch it now . Me I expected NZ to win in NZ and Perth to win in Perth .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Redhage is such a flopper...

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Go for it  
Years ago

Terrible Standard, poor shooting and lots of turnovers!!!

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Bear  
Years ago

Okay, so it is very low scoring and level at half time, sorry if I have spoilt it for anyone but really, is this basketball or jungle ball?

Some call it intense, I only see messy, turnover riddled ball being played with very little emphasis on skill and ability!

Harsh, but what else can you call this...?

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Panther32  
Years ago

29 all at half time... Gee what an entertaining sport!!! Bring back 48 minutes and let it be a free flowing game and we might actually get some supporters back!!!

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Go for it  
Years ago

Agree Bear :(

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"and we might actually get some supporters back!!!"

13500 there tonight

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Raise those arms CJ!!

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Pikachu  
Years ago

How hard is it to take it to the hole

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Go for it  
Years ago

Lets see how gracious the Perth crowd is this time!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Perth need to get shooters nek year

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skud  
Years ago

Huge win, crazy last few minutes. Lemanis just secured the Boomers job :)

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Flinders80  
Years ago

That game was very exciting to watch. Great crowd and atmosphere came across on screen. I was wishing I was there.

Game was extremely rough and there could have been a few more fouls called on both sides. Either way can anyone see any other team competing with these two teams. Great game and GF series.

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Referee  
Years ago

How brilliant was that!!

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Referee  
Years ago

4th year of crowd growth.
Shut up haters!!

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Isaac  
Years ago

I think this glorification of intensity makes for rough and ugly basketball and this was one of the roughest games I've seen. So much left unwhistled, but then both teams have been angling for this style for a while and they've got it.

Had to laugh at the scuffle where Robbins shoved the ref who was trying to break up the wrestling. Surely a fine for that?

Reminded me of the video where Chris Paul gets bumped incidentally by a ref during a dead ball situation and makes as though he's going to flop, then realises it was a ref just in time.

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Pikachu  
Years ago

Both teams played hard to the end
Great Game :)
Who ate all the red confetti and popped the red ballons?
Let down

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alexkrad  
Years ago

apparently cj bruton can stop play because the ball is sweaty and goal tendings are fictional

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KingJames  
Years ago

alexkrad go watch the reply it wasn't goal tending. If there was lots of sweat on the ball and one of the Perth players did that it would be fine as well

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I thought if you made contact with the ring before the ball hits it its goal tending???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

What a pity the Breakers can't join the Euroleague as the ANBL seems to be getting a little too easy for them now!!

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Tyrell  
Years ago

Fantastic season by the Breakers! 4 losses all season, solid contributions from the starters and also from the bench! After championship #1 their were concerns that a 'Penney-less' Breakers could not repeat, then after championship #2 people said that a 'Wilkinson-less' Breakers may struggle, but no matter the challenge or margin (Adelaide -21, Townsville and others) the team held strong!

YEAH BREAKERS!!

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Baller  
Years ago

Keep talking up the Breakers mate... Get your whole nation behind them, Wildcats all the way.

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Baller  
Years ago

Obv
iously I should say well done NZ

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Mystro  
Years ago

Winning in Perth is the icing on the cake. Unbelievable season to watch unfold.

I just hope that we have another one (season) with the financial issues Townsville is having.

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Bear  
Years ago

Three quarters of ugly + more ugly, frustration ending up in the only possible result, a scuffle and shoving match.

Then we finally saw some basketball in the final quarter, that is what we liked to see and will probably remember when we look back on a tight finish and reasonable ending to what should be a highlight of our season here in Aus!

Well done to the Breakers, but let's not overlook what went on in this game...

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Rhythm Willie  
Years ago

Yes a very ugly and continually interrupted game to watch. Oh for the good old days of high scoring, free flowing NBA like basketball.

MVP Jackson seems to have a real ugly shot and could'nt hit the side of a barn even at the foul line for most of the game yet was still very effective and Lische seemed a bit rattled this game.

CJ has slowed down a fair bit but still hit some big 3's.

Other teams will have to put their thinking caps on next year to have any chance of stopping this Breakers dynasty.

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eli1  
Years ago

Not the greatest game to watch but the best result.
two words my partner said towards wildcats; bridesmaids again.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Other teams will have to put their thinking caps on next year to have any chance of stopping this Breakers dynasty."

Just bribe whoever it is that allocates the player points rating. Its obviously flawed

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VP  
Years ago

Great effort by the Breakers to win three Championships in a row - well done Coaches & Players.

But the fact is very few fans other than from these two teams have been interested in the Grand Final games this year and the previous two years.

And its reflected by the viewers ratings & media coverage. Good Local coverage only for either teams.

If these two teams played the next three Grand Finals series they may well be great games but know would care or watch.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's always been the same for the NBL, people arent interested in teams from other towns. Cant see that changing either.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Just bribe whoever it is that allocates the player points rating. Its obviously flawed"

why because one franchise developed young guys into a great team and has won 3 championships in a row?

The NZ National Team +a couple of Aussies and Americans doesn't hold water either.
Vukona, Pledger, Abercrombie, Henry, C Webster, T Webster, Isaac Fotu and Rob Loe were all Breakers before they were TallBlacks. In fact it was the Breakers that made them good enough to be selected for their Senior National team.

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Bear  
Years ago

One of my teenage boys came over to the coach, sat down to watch some of the game with me, then the shoving match broke out...

He looked at me and said; 'Even the fight is pretty average dad!'

This is a kid who loves the sport, but can't watch a whole game of NBL because it just doesn't hold his interest.

SEABL is more enjoyable, sorry, if I want to watch this type of game I would subscribe to Ice Hokey or the WWE!!

Ice Hokey is also low scoring with plenty of physicality while there are almost as many flops in the WWE as there is in the NBL these days IMO...

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Bear  
Years ago

Hocky!

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Bear  
Years ago

Hockey maybe...

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VP  
Years ago

I agree Bear - I don't think my teanage son has watched an NBL game in years and he has played junior rep for years but has no interest in our National League but watches NBA & College games regularly.

I've managed to watch a couple of the SEABL games on streaming this season and they have been more enjoyable to watch.

Not sure why our NBL has become so physical its almost become a wrestling match at times and very few of the players can score regularly.

Bit like the AFL in recent years with the flooding & mass of players around the ball - its not a great spectacle to watch at times.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Terribly inconsistent refereeing. Ugly basketball from the Wildcats, per usual.

Loved the intensity. Loved the unpredictability down the stretch. LOVE the result!

It was a shame that KK HAD to mention the NBL's continued growth etc.

BA's misguided attempt to allow a free-flowing game were really exposed on Friday. Call the fouls that are clearly there and the slug fests will subside in time.

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Isaac  
Years ago

You have to do that in the regular season too. This was basically the latest stage of evolution in the NBL game. Foul out stars at the start and you risk ruining a massive spectacle.

Maybe another problem is benches running often a legit ten deep? Is there that much of a penalty in losing Wagstaff when Hire can step in and soak up fouls, or Trueman or Tovey?

I think the NBL should very quickly look at rules that hamper overly strong team defense. I can see this game being just the beginning.

On the last Perth possession, when Lisch was bumped in the backcourt, would that have been a foul in the regular season or in another league or country?

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Agreed, Isaac. The refereeing was consistent with the rest of the season: allowing excessive and unnecessary contact. I describe it as 'consistently inconsistent'.

I felt that game 2 was beyond anything we've experienced thus far in the NBL with regards to physicality, and hope that was enough to spark action from BA for next season.

It's really only Perth that utilizes its bench to absorb fouls. Beyond them I think only New Zealand were be capable of doing so successfully.

The play from guys like Redhage, Wagstaff and Hire are products of Perth's system. If more fouls are called I could see that strategy losing favor.

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PeterJohn  
Years ago

FWIW - a quick look at the NBL historical stats shows the average number of fouls per 10 minutes of game time was 9.5 for 2013, 8.2 in 2003 and 6.6 in 1993.

So the sense that refs are not calling stuff, which I share, is interesting. They seem to be calling a lot more than they did 10 and 20 years ago.

So refs are calling more fouls and teams are fouling even more! I'd love to see the stats on players fouled out per game over the same period but I don't have the data to do that. I suspect it hasn't changed much. I don't have the sense of players fouling out much this past season but it was fairly common back in the 1990s.

If that suspicion is right, it would make Isaac's proposition about depth of benches more plausible.

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paul  
Years ago

Well in the NBL's history the average number of Aussies in the league is around 100, whereas this season it is 60, that makes Isaac's point very well.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Just bribe whoever it is that allocates the player points rating. Its obviously flawed"

"why because one franchise developed young guys into a great team and has won 3 championships in a row?"

And full credit to the Breakers for the development of their players and great coaching by Lemanis. They are certainly the best team and deserving champions.

My previous comments were more about my dislike for the PPR. Yes, the PPR is good in some respects such as the development of young players but for what is supposed to provide parity in the league there is glaring disparity when comparing some of the players rankings. Daryl Corletto = 7points / Cam Tovey = 7 points is just one example out of many throughout the league.

But there are flaws in the system which is detrimental to the league. Such as, when a team needs to make additions to the roster because of injuries or retirements etc. The wildcats were unable to sign CJ Massingale as a replacement for the retired Robbins because he is a "10 point" player. He would have been an important player in the GF after Martin went down. The Cats sorely needed someone to help with running the point and shooting from the perimeter. The result may well have been different with his contribution. Or perhaps being able to retain Dunigan may have helped provide some keyway presence against the breakers front court.

Its not sour grapes but for the league as a whole it would be better off if players like these are in the NBL and not forced out by the PPR or for another player to be released to make way for someone else just because of a PPR.

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Fm  
Years ago

We failed to replace the brilliant referees which helped make the NBL in the 80's. Weeks game management combined with Love's technical knowledge had a good batch of support referees around them.

The group which should of followed them left the game before getting the opportunity (except Haynes) and therefore we lost that link into the next generation.

Unfortunately there are not enough old respected guys left in the league and refs like Aylen and Geisch need to cover the short-fall. I liked Boecker in the Semi's, but not sure why he didn't get the grand final.

Anyone believe the reduction in alcohol consumption between players, coaches and referees have anything to do with the complete dysfunction between the parties? I am lost on how to fix it.

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Isaac  
Years ago

Not sure what you're suggesting re Tovey and Corletto. That one shouldn't be a seven?

Not too fussed about a top two team being cramped up with their selections because of the cap - that's the point. They brought in Carter who did just fine. Massingale was shooting pretty poorly in Adelaide.

They could've dumped someone else to keep Dunigan with Knight and obviously didn't want to as Knight is the superior player in their eyes.

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